Sugar Cravings
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WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
The RDAs for the essential macros for the average population are so that HALF of your diet being the non-essential one is perfectly normal.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
No. The reason so many people are overweight is they are eating too many calories. Period. There are some people with medical conditions that may need to restrict carbohydrates, but that is not the majority of the population.
Reducing carbohydrates can be an effective tool to help achieve a calorie deficit, enabling people to lose weight and become healthier, but to advise that a diet of meat and water is better than a balanced diet of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean meat, dairy, and healthy fats is ludicrous.
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Also, the US percentage of carbs is not outside the human norm at all. Many healthy traditional populations had/have higher percentages of carbs. Many countries with lower obesity and overweight rates than the US have higher carb percentages. The problem with diet in the US is overall calories (and this includes fat calories, not just carbs) and eating a large amount of high cal/low nutrient foods in general (many or most of which are low fiber and high in both carbs and fat).
To extrapolate from this that the problem is carbs (or eating 50% carbs) and ignore diet quality overall and, especially, to think this means that cutting out vegetables, fruits, and legumes and whole grains is goofy. I happen to agree that a sensible (not no vegetable or very low in vegetables) low carb plan can be a good way for some people to maintain a calorie deficit or keep calories in check, but not because "carbs" are unhealthy. Those kinds of claims are why some of the low carb stuff here gets push back, not because anyone cares whether an individual prefers eating lower carb.
You may want to review updated numbers for the world wide diabetes problem happening right now. Asia is typically used as an example of higher carb intakes without problems. Oops!
Give some evidence that the traditional Asian diet explains increased obesity in Asia as those countries become wealthier and in some ways adopt aspects of the western pattern diet (i.e., SAD). I don't think you can. The issue is simply not carb percentage; it's overall diet quality.0 -
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
If you don't want a discussion of whether eating 50% carbs is something human beings in general cannot handle and which makes for an unhealthy diet, then don't make bogus claims about that which people will need to respond to. Same with the ridiculous claims that eating a diet void of fruit and veggies and legumes and whole grains being healthier. No one is disagreeing that low carb is a reasonable strategy for some.
Assuming that anyone who struggles to cut down their sugar consumption or occasionally craves something sweet has "carb control issues" and ought to be on a low carb diet is pretty presumptuous, though.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
I think you are illustrating exactly why I get involved in these posts. You have convoluted my statements of established nutritional science to mean that I advocate eliminating carbs completely from diet! Please just read the exact words.
My point is, if someone - for any reason whatsoever - is concerned with sugar or carb intake and wants to minimize or restrict, just flipping support them doing it! It cannot hurt them nutritionally and might actually help with very common health issues. At WORST they will simply learn that carbs are not their problem. The point is to not undermine peoples attempts to modify diet and learn from it!0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
I think you are illustrating exactly why I get involved in these posts. You have convoluted my statements of established nutritional science to mean that I advocate eliminating carbs completely from diet! Please just read the exact words.
My point is, if someone - for any reason whatsoever - is concerned with sugar or carb intake and wants to minimize or restrict, just flipping support them doing it! It cannot hurt them nutritionally and might actually help with very common health issues. At WORST they will simply learn that carbs are not their problem. The point is to not undermine peoples attempts to modify diet and learn from it!
Established nutritional science says 50% of your calories being carbs is pretty damn normal because your protein and fats should be something between something like 10 minimum and 30 at most.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
I think you are illustrating exactly why I get involved in these posts. You have convoluted my statements of established nutritional science to mean that I advocate eliminating carbs completely from diet! Please just read the exact words.
My point is, if someone - for any reason whatsoever - is concerned with sugar or carb intake and wants to minimize or restrict, just flipping support them doing it! It cannot hurt them nutritionally and might actually help with very common health issues. At WORST they will simply learn that carbs are not their problem. The point is to not undermine peoples attempts to modify diet and learn from it!
You are correct I had my threads and OPs confused, there is another one which was started last night where OP said she was desperate to lose 20 lbs. sorry about that everyone.
I have reread your words at your suggestion and I'm sorry, but it still sounds to me when you call carbs an unnecessary nutrients, attribute an obesity and a future diabetes epidemic to overconsumption of carbs, and say that meat and water provide all essential nutrients that you are recommending someone completely eliminate carbs from their diet. If that is not your intent, perhaps you could clarify what you do mean, rather than telling me to read it again because it still reads that way to me.
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
My point is, if someone - for any reason whatsoever - is concerned with sugar or carb intake and wants to minimize or restrict, just flipping support them doing it! It cannot hurt them nutritionally and might actually help with very common health issues. At WORST they will simply learn that carbs are not their problem. The point is to not undermine peoples attempts to modify diet and learn from it!
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In this case, OP said nothing about being interested in a low carb diet, and yet lots of people jumped in to say that if he's craving something sugary the answer is to cut all carbs (which then turned into a rant about how eating 50% of carbs is bad for humans in general and something our bodies cannot handle).
Seems to me that THAT's not very supportive of OP.
To answer OP's question it's necessary to get more information, like what sugar is he eating, when is he craving it, what has he tried so far, how long has it been.
To speak for myself, what I found to be helpful was to concentrate on getting a balanced diet and eating 3 satisfying meals and sometimes a snack (pre planned). I did initially crave foods (including sugary foods) at times when I'd been used to eating for fun and stress relief, but I found that as those habits were broken it went away. For many of us you think about/expect foods at times you are used to eating.
I also find the "not now, later when it fits my calories" approach to work well to a desire to eat something. Or forcing myself to decide whether I rather have whatever it is or the food I'd have to kick out of my diary to make room (usually my post-dinner cheese or ice cream).0 -
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
No. The reason so many people are overweight is they are eating too many calories. Period. There are some people with medical conditions that may need to restrict carbohydrates, but that is not the majority of the population.
Reducing carbohydrates can be an effective tool to help achieve a calorie deficit, enabling people to lose weight and become healthier, but to advise that a diet of meat and water is better than a balanced diet of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean meat, dairy, and healthy fats is ludicrous.
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Also, the US percentage of carbs is not outside the human norm at all. Many healthy traditional populations had/have higher percentages of carbs. Many countries with lower obesity and overweight rates than the US have higher carb percentages. The problem with diet in the US is overall calories (and this includes fat calories, not just carbs) and eating a large amount of high cal/low nutrient foods in general (many or most of which are low fiber and high in both carbs and fat).
To extrapolate from this that the problem is carbs (or eating 50% carbs) and ignore diet quality overall and, especially, to think this means that cutting out vegetables, fruits, and legumes and whole grains is goofy. I happen to agree that a sensible (not no vegetable or very low in vegetables) low carb plan can be a good way for some people to maintain a calorie deficit or keep calories in check, but not because "carbs" are unhealthy. Those kinds of claims are why some of the low carb stuff here gets push back, not because anyone cares whether an individual prefers eating lower carb.
You may want to review updated numbers for the world wide diabetes problem happening right now. Asia is typically used as an example of higher carb intakes without problems. Oops!
Give some evidence that the traditional Asian diet explains increased obesity in Asia as those countries become wealthier and in some ways adopt aspects of the western pattern diet (i.e., SAD). I don't think you can. The issue is simply not carb percentage; it's overall diet quality.
Exactly, diet quality for the population it serves is critical, not just the carb percentage - even if it is a higher carb than ours. In order to find success on Asian diet you would need the whole diet and not just the carb percentage.
With that said, it looks like the Chinese have crossed the tipping point of carb consumption as their rate of diabetes has now topped ours.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
I think you are illustrating exactly why I get involved in these posts. You have convoluted my statements of established nutritional science to mean that I advocate eliminating carbs completely from diet! Please just read the exact words.
My point is, if someone - for any reason whatsoever - is concerned with sugar or carb intake and wants to minimize or restrict, just flipping support them doing it! It cannot hurt them nutritionally and might actually help with very common health issues. At WORST they will simply learn that carbs are not their problem. The point is to not undermine peoples attempts to modify diet and learn from it!
Established nutritional science says 50% of your calories being carbs is pretty damn normal because your protein and fats should be something between something like 10 minimum and 30 at most.
I think you may be referring to guidelines by governmental panels? These are not science and frequently based on bad science, big personalities and the food industry.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
No. The reason so many people are overweight is they are eating too many calories. Period. There are some people with medical conditions that may need to restrict carbohydrates, but that is not the majority of the population.
Reducing carbohydrates can be an effective tool to help achieve a calorie deficit, enabling people to lose weight and become healthier, but to advise that a diet of meat and water is better than a balanced diet of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean meat, dairy, and healthy fats is ludicrous.
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Also, the US percentage of carbs is not outside the human norm at all. Many healthy traditional populations had/have higher percentages of carbs. Many countries with lower obesity and overweight rates than the US have higher carb percentages. The problem with diet in the US is overall calories (and this includes fat calories, not just carbs) and eating a large amount of high cal/low nutrient foods in general (many or most of which are low fiber and high in both carbs and fat).
To extrapolate from this that the problem is carbs (or eating 50% carbs) and ignore diet quality overall and, especially, to think this means that cutting out vegetables, fruits, and legumes and whole grains is goofy. I happen to agree that a sensible (not no vegetable or very low in vegetables) low carb plan can be a good way for some people to maintain a calorie deficit or keep calories in check, but not because "carbs" are unhealthy. Those kinds of claims are why some of the low carb stuff here gets push back, not because anyone cares whether an individual prefers eating lower carb.
You may want to review updated numbers for the world wide diabetes problem happening right now. Asia is typically used as an example of higher carb intakes without problems. Oops!
Give some evidence that the traditional Asian diet explains increased obesity in Asia as those countries become wealthier and in some ways adopt aspects of the western pattern diet (i.e., SAD). I don't think you can. The issue is simply not carb percentage; it's overall diet quality.
Exactly, diet quality for the population it serves is critical, not just the carb percentage - even if it is a higher carb than ours. In order to find success on Asian diet you would need the whole diet and not just the carb percentage.
With that said, it looks like the Chinese have crossed the tipping point of carb consumption as their rate of diabetes has now topped ours.
No, you seem to be arguing that the issues are ethnicity and carb percentage. That's not what I'm saying or what the research indicates.
Macro percentages don't mean much--there are healthy diets within a huge range of macro breakdowns. The vegan 80-10-10 can be perfectly healthy, as can a very low carb option, as are traditional diets that vary a lot in carb, fat, and protein percentage. The important thing is more what specific fats and carbs and protein sources are people eating within those breakdowns and, of course, how many overall calories are they consuming given their activity levels.
One thing changing in Asia is access to more western-style ways of eating--lots of convenience foods. Another is lower levels of activity and easier access to calories.
There's also the fact that diseases of affluence show up more when other causes of death decline, which is one of the things that Ancel Keys failed to take account of properly.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
I have great confidence that if solving the cravings by eating them was a valid solution to OP, that he would not be here asking for help.
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stevencloser wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
I think you are illustrating exactly why I get involved in these posts. You have convoluted my statements of established nutritional science to mean that I advocate eliminating carbs completely from diet! Please just read the exact words.
My point is, if someone - for any reason whatsoever - is concerned with sugar or carb intake and wants to minimize or restrict, just flipping support them doing it! It cannot hurt them nutritionally and might actually help with very common health issues. At WORST they will simply learn that carbs are not their problem. The point is to not undermine peoples attempts to modify diet and learn from it!
Established nutritional science says 50% of your calories being carbs is pretty damn normal because your protein and fats should be something between something like 10 minimum and 30 at most.
I think you may be referring to guidelines by governmental panels? These are not science and frequently based on bad science, big personalities and the food industry.
Yeah, I'm sure they just went to random.org and took the first number they got.0 -
You must be new here.DeguelloTex wrote: »
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
I have great confidence that if solving the cravings by eating them was a valid solution to OP, that he would not be here asking for help.
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What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Your post is a bit vague as to what you are trying to do with your diet in terms of eating, however since most of the posts on the forums about sugar cravings relate to cravings for cookies, cakes, sweets, etc, I'm going to base my advice on that.
The thing about foods like the above is that they tend to be hyper-palatable, which is a result of the combination of sugar and fat. When people makes changes in their diet to reduce or eliminate foods like this, they end up cutting back on fat and carbs, and the replacements tend to be things like fruit, which have carbs but not very much fat. I've found that including more fat in my diet (this is something I actively have to pay attention to) really helps to curb cravings, especially when eating more whole foods and less prepackaged/pre-prepared items. So my recommendation would be to play around with your macros and possibly the time of days you eat certain foods (maybe more fat earlier in the day is helpful if you have cravings in the afternoon, or perhaps more fat at dinner wipes out the nighttime cravings), and see if that helps with your cravings at all.0 -
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
I think you are illustrating exactly why I get involved in these posts. You have convoluted my statements of established nutritional science to mean that I advocate eliminating carbs completely from diet! Please just read the exact words.
My point is, if someone - for any reason whatsoever - is concerned with sugar or carb intake and wants to minimize or restrict, just flipping support them doing it! It cannot hurt them nutritionally and might actually help with very common health issues. At WORST they will simply learn that carbs are not their problem. The point is to not undermine peoples attempts to modify diet and learn from it!
Established nutritional science says 50% of your calories being carbs is pretty damn normal because your protein and fats should be something between something like 10 minimum and 30 at most.
I think you may be referring to guidelines by governmental panels? These are not science and frequently based on bad science, big personalities and the food industry.
Yeah, I'm sure they just went to random.org and took the first number they got.
Over the last 25 years of nutritional reading and researching specific nutrients, I've come across some RDAs, TUL and other guidelines that did not involve a scientific basis, but rather a guess in the absence of research. It is not as bad as random, but you definitely need to review basis.
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Since I went the elimination route instead the moderation route, I cannot give details on how moderation helps with cravings.DeguelloTex wrote: »
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
I have great confidence that if solving the cravings by eating them was a valid solution to OP, that he would not be here asking for help.
It worked for me. Moderation was the key to get much of what I thought was cravings (before I knew any better) under control and handling a life long problem with binging.
Nobody has really bothered to give any details on it that could help the OP, so maybe you could elaborate on the process, what you did, how it helped with your cravings, etc.0 -
Drink protein shakes0
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How much more detail do you think an adult needs beyond making some room in his calorie goals to be able to eat some of what he craves while still being in a deficit?
Since I went the elimination route instead the moderation route, I cannot give details on how moderation helps with cravings.DeguelloTex wrote: »
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
I have great confidence that if solving the cravings by eating them was a valid solution to OP, that he would not be here asking for help.
It worked for me. Moderation was the key to get much of what I thought was cravings (before I knew any better) under control and handling a life long problem with binging.
Nobody has really bothered to give any details on it that could help the OP, so maybe you could elaborate on the process, what you did, how it helped with your cravings, etc.
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That's not what the OP asked. They asked for help with cravings, so maybe some detail on how it works would be helpful.DeguelloTex wrote: »
How much more detail do you think an adult needs beyond making some room in his calorie goals to be able to eat some of what he craves while still being in a deficit?
Since I went the elimination route instead the moderation route, I cannot give details on how moderation helps with cravings.DeguelloTex wrote: »
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
I have great confidence that if solving the cravings by eating them was a valid solution to OP, that he would not be here asking for help.
It worked for me. Moderation was the key to get much of what I thought was cravings (before I knew any better) under control and handling a life long problem with binging.
Nobody has really bothered to give any details on it that could help the OP, so maybe you could elaborate on the process, what you did, how it helped with your cravings, etc.
Since I know you don't personally believe these things exist, I'm not sure that you'd be able to help much. But if you could, that would be nice.
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The OP asked how to deal with cravings. How is the answer I gave not responsive to what the OP asked? Is it your position that satisfying a craving within a controlled context isn't a way to deal with a craving?
That's not what the OP asked. They asked for help with cravings, so maybe some detail on how it works would be helpful.DeguelloTex wrote: »
How much more detail do you think an adult needs beyond making some room in his calorie goals to be able to eat some of what he craves while still being in a deficit?
Since I went the elimination route instead the moderation route, I cannot give details on how moderation helps with cravings.DeguelloTex wrote: »
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
I have great confidence that if solving the cravings by eating them was a valid solution to OP, that he would not be here asking for help.
It worked for me. Moderation was the key to get much of what I thought was cravings (before I knew any better) under control and handling a life long problem with binging.
Nobody has really bothered to give any details on it that could help the OP, so maybe you could elaborate on the process, what you did, how it helped with your cravings, etc.
Since I know you don't personally believe these things exist, I'm not sure that you'd be able to help much. But if you could, that would be nice.
On what do you reach the conclusion that I don't think cravings exist? Are you trying to equate cravings and addictions?
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Since I went the elimination route instead the moderation route, I cannot give details on how moderation helps with cravings.DeguelloTex wrote: »
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
I have great confidence that if solving the cravings by eating them was a valid solution to OP, that he would not be here asking for help.
It worked for me. Moderation was the key to get much of what I thought was cravings (before I knew any better) under control and handling a life long problem with binging.
Nobody has really bothered to give any details on it that could help the OP, so maybe you could elaborate on the process, what you did, how it helped with your cravings, etc.
I think the big difference in moderation is the mindset. For those who've told themselves a food is "bad" and they are bad or a failure if they eat it, eating just a little can turn into an emotional downward spiral that can cause a binge or an urge to give up. For these people, knowing that a little bit is ok can allow them to stay in control (without all the emotional distress) while still enjoying the foods they love.
Personally, I find that just staying away from certain foods in general works better for me. Not because they are "bad", but because the less I eat sweets, the less I want them. The less I want them, the lower my stress and better my nutrition. Problem solved. I realize that I may be in the minority, though.0 -
Sugar can be addictive thus why he's craving it...
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
The OP asked how to deal with cravings. How is the answer I gave not responsive to what the OP asked? Is it your position that satisfying a craving within a controlled context isn't a way to deal with a craving?
That's not what the OP asked. They asked for help with cravings, so maybe some detail on how it works would be helpful.DeguelloTex wrote: »
How much more detail do you think an adult needs beyond making some room in his calorie goals to be able to eat some of what he craves while still being in a deficit?
Since I went the elimination route instead the moderation route, I cannot give details on how moderation helps with cravings.DeguelloTex wrote: »
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
I have great confidence that if solving the cravings by eating them was a valid solution to OP, that he would not be here asking for help.
It worked for me. Moderation was the key to get much of what I thought was cravings (before I knew any better) under control and handling a life long problem with binging.
Nobody has really bothered to give any details on it that could help the OP, so maybe you could elaborate on the process, what you did, how it helped with your cravings, etc.
Since I know you don't personally believe these things exist, I'm not sure that you'd be able to help much. But if you could, that would be nice.
On what do you reach the conclusion that I don't think cravings exist? Are you trying to equate cravings and addictions?
Maybe you could explain how it worked for you, then? How your cravings were, what you did, how that helped with the cravings and how you ended them.
I believe that moderation helps people. I've seen enough people post that it has helped them to believe it. I think it might be especially helpful for some people who had emotional eating issues. It's every bit as valid as elimination, IMO.
What I don't know is how it helped them because I never went that route. I can't give personal experience.
But if people who are suggesting it as a way to help eliminate (or at least subdue) the cravings, then some details on how they went about it, specifically as it relates to their cravings, might be helpful to the OP.0 -
Since I went the elimination route instead the moderation route, I cannot give details on how moderation helps with cravings.DeguelloTex wrote: »
OP's request was "What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?"WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
It said nothing about not consuming. If you're going to accuse people of needing to read, you should try it first.
To be clear: what request of the OP did two of the first three posts "ignore"?
Is it your position that eating some sugar in the context of a diet containing enough protein and fat isn't possibly a way to alleviate sugar cravings?
I have great confidence that if solving the cravings by eating them was a valid solution to OP, that he would not be here asking for help.
It worked for me. Moderation was the key to get much of what I thought was cravings (before I knew any better) under control and handling a life long problem with binging.
Nobody has really bothered to give any details on it that could help the OP, so maybe you could elaborate on the process, what you did, how it helped with your cravings, etc.
I gave some details, but the problem is that without more information from OP no one can really give him much that will help.
I think cravings are quite specific, but usually have to do with breaking habits and get easier if you stick with a plan to establish new habits.
For me, going at this from a moderation POV, the new habits were (1) eating consistent, well-balanced, nutritious meals; (2) no unplanned snacking; (3) generally eating sweets only after dinner when I had the calories (which allowed me to tell myself at other times that I'd something later, so no need now).
I also did cut out sweets entirely for a period of time, but for me I see no health benefit for this (I was never advised by a doctor that I needed to and it doesn't seem to cause me to be unable to stick to my calories if I include some lower nutrient foods in moderation within my overall healthy diet).0 -
lmaharidge wrote: »Sugar can be addictive thus why he's craving it...
I've craved rack of lamb. Pretty sure I'm not addicted to lamb. It's normal and human to crave foods you enjoy or are expecting or are used to eating at a particular time.0 -
What a train wreck.
I'd hate to see a diet devoid of all fruits and veggies....and fiber....
I personally eliminated cravings by cutting the foods i was craving from my diet entirely for awhile, then adding them back in when i felt i could eat them in moderation, and i leave calories in my day to eat them when i want them. So i used a combination of the suggestions here, it would seem. It worked for me, but it may not work for everyone.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22150425 protein intake of up to 1.8g/kg is a good amount for athletes. No real advantages above that. That comes out to 126 g for me, which is 504 calories, which is less than 25% of my maintenance calories. Sedentary people need nowhere near as much. The minimum and maximum amounts for protein are well researched.stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »What can I do to help alleviate sugar cravings?
Hi, @Jefbro98.
Do you have a medical reason for avoiding sugar?
If not, did you know that sugar is a vital part of a healthy diet, so it's fine to eat it in moderation.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/added-sugar/art-20045328
The science says we do not need to eat sugar or any carbs for health. Protein and fats are essential nutrients. This fundamental understanding is important to help people combat the overpromotion of carbs by the food and nutrition industries and put them in the proper place and amount in diets built for health.
A majority of obese, overweight and even skinny people with metabolic illnesses are over eating carbohydrates, please do not undermine the accurate understanding of nutritional needs that will help them address their health issues.
Yes because a diet void of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is obviously the healthiest possible diet.
There are many, many healthy carbs. If the OP wants to restrict added sugars from her diet (either permanently or forever) because she has difficulty moderating them, I have no issues with that, but I feel that extreme restriction of an entire macro group because someone has labeled carbs as junk is unnecessary and definitely not a straight pathway to health for any individual.
The bolded statement is true due to our overeating of a non-essental nutrient for a very large group of people with metabolic health issues.
It is fully possible to get all nutrients needed from a variety of meats and water.
To your body, carbohydrates are non-essential. Non-essential means you do not need to eat them to sustain your life. The reason so many so many of us are sick and overweight is we are eating HALF of our diet (or much more fore some) of a non essential nutrient that our many of our bodies cannot handle eating at that quantity.
As Judge Milian from the People's Court would say....any proof of that statement other than your flapping gums???
People are overweight because they are eating too many calories. Not calories of carbohydrates. Calories. Period. Choosing low carb as your diet of choice doesn't mean you have to demonize a whole food group. I am glad the diet works for you, but it doesn't mean that it is the way everyone needs to meet, especially with people without any medical necessity to.
There are many many factors as to the increasing issue of obesity in the United States. It's too complicated for this thread and well, it's off topic.
I will gladly stop 'flapping my gums' as you so rudely put it when OP's with self identified sugar or carb control issues stop being told to eat carbs/sugars and don't worry about it.
It is very distressing to witness someone attempting to solve their issues being undermined instead of supported in their quest to improve their health.
Please point out in this thread where OP was told to eat carbs/sugar and don't worry about it. What people said was that reducing carbs can be a method of creating a calorie deficit but if the OP struggles with feelings of guilt when she falls off the no carb wagon, maybe she should look for ways to work some treats into a primarily nutrient dense diet.
I find it distressing when people promote unnecessary restriction of entire food groups or macros based on fallacious extrapolation of scientific/medical data.
Her goal is to lose 20 lbs to get back to her "ideal weight". Hardly a candidate for a sweeping restriction of a macro that can include nutrient dense foods in order to reach her goal. People were merely pointing out that there may be ways which would leave the OP feeling less restricted, stressed, etc.
I think you are confusing threads - OP here is male and 2 out of first 3 posts ignored OPs request and encouraged consumption.
I think you are illustrating exactly why I get involved in these posts. You have convoluted my statements of established nutritional science to mean that I advocate eliminating carbs completely from diet! Please just read the exact words.
My point is, if someone - for any reason whatsoever - is concerned with sugar or carb intake and wants to minimize or restrict, just flipping support them doing it! It cannot hurt them nutritionally and might actually help with very common health issues. At WORST they will simply learn that carbs are not their problem. The point is to not undermine peoples attempts to modify diet and learn from it!
Established nutritional science says 50% of your calories being carbs is pretty damn normal because your protein and fats should be something between something like 10 minimum and 30 at most.
I think you may be referring to guidelines by governmental panels? These are not science and frequently based on bad science, big personalities and the food industry.
Yeah, I'm sure they just went to random.org and took the first number they got.
Over the last 25 years of nutritional reading and researching specific nutrients, I've come across some RDAs, TUL and other guidelines that did not involve a scientific basis, but rather a guess in the absence of research. It is not as bad as random, but you definitely need to review basis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15107010
Macronutrients for bodybuilders: up to 30% protein, 15-20% fat, 50-65% carbs.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9624878
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/102/18/2284.full?rf=29620&mc=MTY2NDY4NDc.
Fat intake under 30% is sufficient
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carmen_Perez-Rodrigo/publication/230625209_Recommended_dietary_reference_intakes_nutritional_goals_and_dietary_guidelines_for_fat_and_fatty_acids_a_systematic_review/links/0a85e52de7ef7f242c000000.pdf
Review of dietary fat guidelines around the world, the most lenient one says that up to 40% is fine, most are in the area around 20-30.
Etc. etc. No source that I know of apart from diehard keto folks who want you to have 70-80% of your calories in fat call for having much more than 20-30% of fat or protein (maximum that is). The rest would necessarily be carbs. 50% is a normal amount of carbs to have.0
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