Studies link trans fats to coronary heart disease, not saturated fat.

felixthemaster1

I was always guilty for enjoying coconut oil as it has saturated fats in it but turns out it is not that bad (not completely safe, may cause other problems).

TL;DR: 123 studies; trans fats = 21% rise in risk of disease and 28% rise in risk of death from it; saturated fats <11% of calories

Source: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28034-trans-fats-not-saturated-fat-linked-to-heart-disease-risk/?utm_source=NSNS&amp;utm_medium=SOC&amp;utm_campaign=twitter&amp;cmpid=SOC|NSNS|2015-GLOBAL-twitter

Kalikel

I believed the trans fats were bad a long time ago and have eliminated them from my diet.

aledba

I figured this out on my own a loooong time ago.

ldrosophila

that's why I switched from Crisco to lard! MMMMM lard

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felixthemaster1

CharonCharon wrote: »

Tough to keep it low. Very tough.

There's no evidence in that article linking it to bad things but it's more of a precaution in case it's bad. I myself don't see a big problem with having more than 11% sat fats

dopeysmelly

I've just read a whole bunch of comments (admittedly from biased individuals) to the published article at the BMJ which point out that only half the data was actually shown. The data presented showed the risk associated with saturated fat after being "adjusted" for cholesterol levels, but the problem is that a certain number of people see their LDL cholesterol (an independent risk factor for CVD) go up after eating saturated fat and come down after cutting it out. LDL cholesterol and saturated fat intake appear to be linked, at least for a certain group of people.

I feel really genuinely happy for those lucky people who can eat all the saturated fat they want and still keep LDL cholesterol down (DH is one of those..), but I can't. After a scary cholesterol test, I cut out major sources of saturated fat, retested and my LDL cholesterol went way down.

Honestly, I think this is one of those health things where ones susceptibility all comes down to genetics, and that is always averaged out in these meta studies. It seems the best thing is to just get yourself tested and do your own thing.

RockstarWilson

I learned today that partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fats...And that those ph oils are in pudding cups!

I was about to indulge, but even my sweet tooth said no! However, how many kids are eating those?

tomatoey

dopeysmelly wrote: »

I've just read a whole bunch of comments (admittedly from biased individuals) to the published article at the BMJ which point out that only half the data was actually shown. The data presented showed the risk associated with saturated fat after being "adjusted" for cholesterol levels, but the problem is that a certain number of people see their LDL cholesterol (an independent risk factor for CVD) go up after eating saturated fat and come down after cutting it out. LDL cholesterol and saturated fat intake appear to be linked, at least for a certain group of people.

I feel really genuinely happy for those lucky people who can eat all the saturated fat they want and still keep LDL cholesterol down (DH is one of those..), but I can't. After a scary cholesterol test, I cut out major sources of saturated fat, retested and my LDL cholesterol went way down.

Honestly, I think this is one of those health things where ones susceptibility all comes down to genetics, and that is always averaged out in these meta studies. It seems the best thing is to just get yourself tested and do your own thing.

What did you substitute your sat fat sources with?

Acg67

Kalikel wrote: »

I believed the trans fats were bad a long time ago and have eliminated them from my diet.

So no grassfed meats, butter/dairy etc etc, must be a pretty dull diet

Francl27

RockstarWilson wrote: »

I learned today that partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fats...And that those ph oils are in pudding cups!

I was about to indulge, but even my sweet tooth said no! However, how many kids are eating those?

Kozy Shack doesn't have them, and they taste 10x better than other puddings too...

But I thought they were phasing out trans fat because that was proved years ago already...

dopeysmelly

tomatoey wrote: »

dopeysmelly wrote: »

I've just read a whole bunch of comments (admittedly from biased individuals) to the published article at the BMJ which point out that only half the data was actually shown. The data presented showed the risk associated with saturated fat after being "adjusted" for cholesterol levels, but the problem is that a certain number of people see their LDL cholesterol (an independent risk factor for CVD) go up after eating saturated fat and come down after cutting it out. LDL cholesterol and saturated fat intake appear to be linked, at least for a certain group of people.

I feel really genuinely happy for those lucky people who can eat all the saturated fat they want and still keep LDL cholesterol down (DH is one of those..), but I can't. After a scary cholesterol test, I cut out major sources of saturated fat, retested and my LDL cholesterol went way down.

Honestly, I think this is one of those health things where ones susceptibility all comes down to genetics, and that is always averaged out in these meta studies. It seems the best thing is to just get yourself tested and do your own thing.

What did you substitute your sat fat sources with?

Basically I cut out all meat and full-fat dairy, apart from maybe once a month for each (because I still enjoy them and I'm not into torturing myself unnecessarily). I still eat fish, but increased the amount of seeds and nuts I eat. This is actually pretty close to the Mediterranean diet. That (combined with getting a small amount of either tofu or tempeh in some form every day, and taking Benecol chews) cut my LDL by 100 points in about 4 weeks. It's possible that it has increased since then to reach a set-point, but seeing the results has made it easy to stick to such a radical change (that motivation thing..). It worked for me, but it might not work for everyone. I was willing to give it a try to avoid taking drugs. It makes ordering at restaurants interesting but not impossible, and I've only ever had issues in Europe when I travel for business.

lemurcat12

dopeysmelly wrote: »

I feel really genuinely happy for those lucky people who can eat all the saturated fat they want and still keep LDL cholesterol down (DH is one of those..), but I can't. After a scary cholesterol test, I cut out major sources of saturated fat, retested and my LDL cholesterol went way down.

Honestly, I think this is one of those health things where ones susceptibility all comes down to genetics, and that is always averaged out in these meta studies. It seems the best thing is to just get yourself tested and do your own thing.

Yeah, this makes sense to me.

My dad is one of those whose cholesterol responds to what he ate. He basically cut out meat other than fish and chicken and uses only skim dairy (and olive oil instead of butter), and that seems to have done the trick for him.

My cholesterol seems not to respond significantly to what I eat (and is good -- was even when I was obese and is even better now), so I know I'm lucky.

beemerphile1

RockstarWilson wrote: »

I learned today that partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fats...And that those ph oils are in pudding cups!

I was about to indulge, but even my sweet tooth said no! However, how many kids are eating those?

If you see the word "hydrogenated" in the ingredients, it has transfats even if the label says 'zero transfats'.

Francl27

lemurcat12 wrote: »

dopeysmelly wrote: »

I feel really genuinely happy for those lucky people who can eat all the saturated fat they want and still keep LDL cholesterol down (DH is one of those..), but I can't. After a scary cholesterol test, I cut out major sources of saturated fat, retested and my LDL cholesterol went way down.

Honestly, I think this is one of those health things where ones susceptibility all comes down to genetics, and that is always averaged out in these meta studies. It seems the best thing is to just get yourself tested and do your own thing.

Yeah, this makes sense to me.

My dad is one of those whose cholesterol responds to what he ate. He basically cut out meat other than fish and chicken and uses only skim dairy (and olive oil instead of butter), and that seems to have done the trick for him.

My cholesterol seems not to respond significantly to what I eat (and is good -- was even when I was obese and is even better now), so I know I'm lucky.

I don't really get the whole saturared fat and LDL link, honestly. My LDL level increased when I started eating low fat. It was higher after I lost 80 pounds and was eating maybe 60g of fat a day.. and only low fat cheese. Go figure. My ratio was better though... but it will be interesting to see what it is this year. I eat 20g of saturated fat a day in average.. it's hardly a lot.