ALL WE SEE IS CALORIES..!

Kiss_Her_Act

It Doesn't Really Matter What You Eat.What Matters Is The Calories BUT Eating Healthy Stuff Is
better.because you can eat large portion With Low Calories.Whereas With
Junk Even The Small Portion Has High Calories..

JustPeachy044

I also see fuel quality. What am I going to GET if I put that in my mouth? But yeah, you're right.

summery79

Yes, mostly true. But then there are also things like sugar-free jello cups and sugar-free fudgsicles that are very low calorie, but also not healthy.

PlayerHatinDogooder

All I See Is An Unnecessary Use Of Capitalization.

nikilis

All I See Is An Unnecessary Use Of Capitalization.

yeh. you made my eyes bust their nuts.

Kiss_Her_Act

All I See Is An Unnecessary Use Of Capitalization.

yeh. you made my eyes bust their nuts.

Shame,And Thats How I Type Hey...

LongIsland27itl

Calories sure but macros are king, not like you could eat your cals in fat and carbs and have ideal results

nikilis

All I See Is An Unnecessary Use Of Capitalization.

yeh. you made my eyes bust their nuts.

Shame,And Thats How I Type Hey...

well it makes it hard to read so you don't get your message across.

Alatariel75

All I See Is An Unnecessary Use Of Capitalization.

yeh. you made my eyes bust their nuts.

Shame,And Thats How I Type Hey...

well it makes it hard to read so you don't get your message across.

I have to agree. I'm not one to criticise people's typing but seeing as it came up, this way of typing makes me skip your posts and not read them.

AJ_G

Calories sure but macros are king, not like you could eat your cals in fat and carbs and have ideal results

^This. IIFYM!

Achrya

It Doesn't Really Matter What You Eat.What Matters Is The Calories BUT Eating Healthy Stuff Is
better.because you can eat large portion With Low Calories.Whereas With
Junk Even The Small Portion Has High Calories..

False. All I see is macros. One doesn't take in 128g of protien just by playing the low cal game.


I do, however, do it with loads of bacon. And greek yogurt brownies. Yum.

SarahBeth0625

I mostly follow the IIFYM... reason being? If I eat all healthy and focus on lean meat and all veggies, I end up on basically a lo-cal diet (~1200 cals). It is very hard to get your calories up there on only healthy foods..... therefore, I eat MOSTLY healthy things, but I am not afraid to add in some other things purely for calories. I need my TDEE to be around 2000-2100 based on activity level.

NewDad24

The OP is a false self-delusion. I don't think of macros as everything either. If macros are king then the micros are queen. The goal might be focused on the king; but the queen is needed to get you there. The micros might be more powerful in some ways. You can vary your carbs and lipids quite a bit and just get minimums on fiber and protein which can be greatly supplemented. You cannot neglect your micro-nutrients though or your health will really suffer and the cravings will derail you. You can get lots of your micros through vitamin supplements. As with all supplements though getting natural nutrients are better. There are some problems with too much supplemental vitamin B6 for example. Strive for fresh pyhtonutrients also. Anyway, if you get your macros and micros in good proportion, you will turn off the hunger to a large extent.

Concentrating on blood sugar is important to feeling satisfied with your food intake. In many vegetables, you get plenty of carbohydrates to get enough blood sugar without having to have much if any grains at all. If you go too high on carbs, you trigger insulin and your blood sugar can bottom out, leaving you tired and reaching for high sugar foods, triggering more insulin in an endless cycle throughout the day. Just with a small intake of carbohydrate in the morning can make you be satisfied with your blood sugar for hours until you have a small snack. If you trigger much insulin though, you are not likely to feel satisfied. So don't load up on orange juice, pancakes, cereal and milk, for breakfast (or any meal).

Hunger is not entirely about how full your stomach is. There is an apparent misconception for many posters in this thread, trying to get bigger foods with less calories. That would be fiber rich food that you are wanting there by the way. As you can imagine, you can be very hungry even with a stomach just about bursting full of water. Or you can wake up in the morning with no appetite whatsoever even though you haven't eaten for hours.

So stop thinking you need to satisfy your appetite with big food. What you need is nutrient dense food (both macros and micros) with low calories. The problem you might have is that a lot of nutrition is stripped out of food the more it is processed, so it seems to you that you have to eat a lot before being satisfied. With the prevalence of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) in food, there is not even any sure way to know what the baseline nutrition would be before processing. So you cannot properly estimate your nutritional intake. Aim to get extra nutrition or eat only fresh, raw, and organic. If that causes you to go over on calories or on cost, then supplement something.

nikilis

well, I just ate whatever within my caloric deficit, and lost 33lb. my diets pretty good, but I'm not going to change what I eat because of some idea that you have to have rigid macros.

gotta have your protein, gotta have some good fats, gotta not eat too much lard or sugar.

keep calm yall. thats all there is to it. in my opinion. when it comes to me.

I'm sure IIFYM has some benefits, but I'm just trying to eat a balanced diet and go about my day with a nominal amount of weight to loose. I don't want to be thinking if I should eat a kiwi fruit or a piece of tofu because of IIFYM. im just gonna eat the kiwifruit and go about my day. I ain't got time fo dat!

for some of you who are really into IIFYM, id actually like to know what the benefit is in your opinion. Im interested. I mean a lot of people do it so it must have a positive effect.

volume77

Yes, mostly true. But then there are also things like sugar-free jello cups and sugar-free fudgsicles that are very low calorie, but also not healthy.

who says jello and fudgcicles are not healthy?

astronomicals

It Doesn't Really Matter What You Eat.What Matters Is The Calories BUT Eating Healthy Stuff Is
better.because you can eat large portion With Low Calories.Whereas With
Junk Even The Small Portion Has High Calories..

I dunno why people are jumping down her throat. She didn't once use the word "clean". I just see her saying she can have a nice sized meal, if she plans properly, and still stay within her desired deficit. Its pretty typical for IIFYMers to eat more calorie dense foods while bulking and more calorie sparse foods when cutting. This is a big realization for a lot of people when they lose weight properly. There are foods that they like that they can eat a lot of and still reach their goals. Its helps a ton with adherence to your diet when you find low calorie foods you enjoy. It makes a sustained lifestyle change much more likely. I think thats where she was going with this. She can feel stuffed and still be doing a good job.

Pearlyladybug

All I See Is An Unnecessary Use Of Capitalization.

yeh. you made my eyes bust their nuts.

I was just about to.....say.

yiiiiikes

Kiss_Her_Act

All I See Is An Unnecessary Use Of Capitalization.

yeh. you made my eyes bust their nuts.

I was just about to.....say.

yiiiiikes

Okay I've changed
the way I type,now back to the topic

Pearlyladybug

All I See Is An Unnecessary Use Of Capitalization.

yeh. you made my eyes bust their nuts.

I was just about to.....say.

yiiiiikes

Okay I've changed
the way I type,now back to the topic

thats awesome thank you, Doesn't that take way less time too!

Then All Off This Kind Of Thing All The Time Must Take Ages To Do

astronomicals

nvm

ssteinbring677

nvm

lol... that was about to get ugly

NewDad24

It Doesn't Really Matter What You Eat.What Matters Is The Calories BUT Eating Healthy Stuff Is
better.because you can eat large portion With Low Calories.Whereas With
Junk Even The Small Portion Has High Calories..

I dunno why people are jumping down her throat. She didn't once use the word "clean". I just see her saying she can have a nice sized meal, if she plans properly, and still stay within her desired deficit. Its pretty typical for IIFYMers to eat more calorie dense foods while bulking and more calorie sparse foods when cutting. This is a big realization for a lot of people when they lose weight properly. There are foods that they like that they can eat a lot of and still reach their goals. Its helps a ton with adherence to your diet when you find low calorie foods you enjoy. It makes a sustained lifestyle change much more likely. I think thats where she was going with this. She can feel stuffed and still be doing a good job.

I am not reading it that way. What I concentrate on is saying it doesn't matter what you eat, just the calories. You can get your calories from sugar water and nothing else at one extreme. Let me assure you, it is going to matter what you eat. If that is the wrong interpretation of what was meant in the OP, then it still would not hurt to clarify for anyone who might interpret differently and come away with some really poor understanding, all the while people backing up the statement and agreeing.

astronomicals

It Doesn't Really Matter What You Eat.What Matters Is The Calories BUT Eating Healthy Stuff Is
better.because you can eat large portion With Low Calories.Whereas With
Junk Even The Small Portion Has High Calories..

I dunno why people are jumping down her throat. She didn't once use the word "clean". I just see her saying she can have a nice sized meal, if she plans properly, and still stay within her desired deficit. Its pretty typical for IIFYMers to eat more calorie dense foods while bulking and more calorie sparse foods when cutting. This is a big realization for a lot of people when they lose weight properly. There are foods that they like that they can eat a lot of and still reach their goals. Its helps a ton with adherence to your diet when you find low calorie foods you enjoy. It makes a sustained lifestyle change much more likely. I think thats where she was going with this. She can feel stuffed and still be doing a good job.

I am not reading it that way. What I concentrate on is saying it doesn't matter what you eat, just the calories. You can get your calories from sugar water and nothing else at one extreme. Let me assure you, it is going to matter what you eat. If that is the wrong interpretation of what was meant in the OP, then it still would not hurt to clarify for anyone who might interpret differently and come away with some really poor understanding, all the while people backing up the statement and agreeing.

Hey Newdad, could you please just change your handle to Strawman?

Ophidion

amonkey794

Yes, mostly true. But then there are also things like sugar-free jello cups and sugar-free fudgsicles that are very low calorie, but also not healthy.

who says jello and fudgcicles are not healthy?

My sugar free jello is 100% protein

NewDad24

Hey Newdad, could you please just change your handle to Strawman?

No I would not like to do that. I don't see a fallacy or misquote. I saw this:

It Doesn't Really Matter What You Eat.What Matters Is The Calories BUT Eating Healthy Stuff Is
better.because you can eat large portion With Low Calories.Whereas With
Junk Even The Small Portion Has High Calories..

I read that as it doesn't matter what you eat, just calories. Then there is some not so important benefit to eating healthy because that allows you to eat larger portions. But eating nothing but junk would be fine if you just stick to the smaller portions. The title of the thread is "ALL WE SEE IS CALORIES..!" Like it is some eureka discovery. And to start the thread, it begins with calories are what matters. It seems easy to come away with, all that matters is the calories.

At least one person is reading into this in a similar way as I do.

Calories sure but macros are king, not like you could eat your cals in fat and carbs and have ideal results

Now comes you. Here let me quote the whole text first:

I dunno why people are jumping down her throat. She didn't once use the word "clean". I just see her saying she can have a nice sized meal, if she plans properly, and still stay within her desired deficit. Its pretty typical for IIFYMers to eat more calorie dense foods while bulking and more calorie sparse foods when cutting. This is a big realization for a lot of people when they lose weight properly. There are foods that they like that they can eat a lot of and still reach their goals. Its helps a ton with adherence to your diet when you find low calorie foods you enjoy. It makes a sustained lifestyle change much more likely. I think thats where she was going with this. She can feel stuffed and still be doing a good job.

Then there is this I cut out of context to focus on what you are reading into all of this:

I just see her saying she can have a nice sized meal, if she plans properly, and still stay within her desired deficit.

Is that truly what you understand from the OP? And what would it matter whose interpretation is correct? Someone would definitely read into it a different way if what they wanted to believe it was so simple as just counting calories regardless the junk. And that would be potentially hazardous to someone's health if they were inclined to be so self-delusional.

Maybe you like to be the Strawman. Could you change your profile info too? Can you explain your number one inspiration and why you want to get into shape?

astronomicals

The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.[1]

Arguments based on this fallacy typically take two forms. As a straw man argument, which is frequently found in politics, it involves quoting an opponent out of context in order to misrepresent their position (typically to make it seem more simplistic or extreme) in order to make it easier to refute. As an appeal to authority, it involves quoting an authority on the subject out of context, in order to misrepresent that authority as supporting some position.[2]


Wikipedia just pwned you :P

Kiss_Her_Act

I dunno why people are jumping down her throat. She didn't once use the word "clean". I just see her saying she can have a nice sized meal, if she plans properly, and still stay within her desired deficit. Its pretty typical for IIFYMers to eat more calorie dense foods while bulking and more calorie sparse foods when cutting. This is a big realization for a lot of people when they lose weight properly. There are foods that they like that they can eat a lot of and still reach their goals. Its helps a ton with adherence to your diet when you find low calorie foods you enjoy. It makes a sustained lifestyle change much more likely. I think thats where she was going with this. She can feel stuffed and still be doing a good job.
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THANK YOU!

chrisdavey

Wow, I had the exact same thought when I read the thread title :laugh:

I think some people in this thread are hangry!

NewDad24

You did not fully quote the wikipedia context. A strawman is also making an oversimplification of an argument and then attacking that oversimplification, like a strawman might infer that another persons' argument was simply a strawman.

Then of course, I am coming back and quoting everything within context, and still there is no focus on any argument topic from you. I still see no misquote from me or removal of anything from context for purpose of oversimplification and attack. It seems your responses are oversimplification for purposes of attack. The strawman would be you, IMHO.

shannashannabobana

My sugar free jello is 100% protein

LOL!!!