1200 or 1500??
avilancaster871
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hey I started this 4 days ago and this app told me to eat the 1200 cals a day as I have been plus half of my burnt cals... That scooby link told me i should be eating 1500? Also went the docs today and they said it's unhealthy to eat the 1200 and should be having the 1500? What should I do stick to the 1200 or go with the 1500? I have 6 stone to loose in total and have my fitness level set to sedentary and wanting to loose 2lb week... Im 5ft1 if that makes a diffrence? Before diet I was consuming a lot of calories as was drinking fizzy all day and eating crap a lot basically .. Thanks x
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MFP calculation of 1200 doesn't include any exercise.
When you put your stats in scooby - did you indicate you exercised at all? Because the number it gives you does include exercise.
So either do 1500 (scooby) or 1200 + exercise (MFP). They'll probably end up about the same.0 -
What has 1200 + 1/2 your exercise calories equaled? You're comparing TDEE (Scooby) vs NEAT (MFP). TDEE takes your exercise into account where NEAT does not. It's quite possible that the 1200 + 1/2 is getting you into that 1400-1500 range, which would be about what Scooby says too.
Remember, we talked about this yesterday. If 1500 is TDEE-20% for you that means your TDEE is about 1800-1900 cals, so 1200 cals won't equate 2lbs per week weight loss, it'd be about 1.5 or so. It takes 1000 cal per day deficit to lose 2lbs per week which would be a 1000 per day intake. The TDEE -20% you chose would equated about a 1lb per week loss.0 -
I didn't enter exersize into that scooby just weight height age and goal weight ect... On here going of the 1200 I normally burn min of 400 cals a day but only eat back half of that so be eating 1400 in total so should I just leave it how it is? X0
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avilancaster871 wrote: »I didn't enter exersize into that scooby just weight height age and goal weight ect... On here going of the 1200 I normally burn min of 400 cals a day but only eat back half of that so be eating 1400 in total so should I just leave it how it is? X
You should enter your exercise in the TDEE calculator as well and see what you get.
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Scoobie's TDEE and MFP's net calories should be pretty close once you add in your exercise. I would go with the TDEE if there is a difference but they are both rough guidelines. You will need to monitor your weight loss and then adjust accordingly.0
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I personally go with Scooby's calc, as I would starve on only 1200 cals. i'm also set at 1500 cals0
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Scoobie's TDEE and MFP's net calories should be pretty close once you add in your exercise. I would go with the TDEE if there is a difference but they are both rough guidelines. You will need to monitor your weight loss and then adjust accordingly.
Yep I agree - pick one and go with it for a few weeks.
If you're not achieving your desired results, then adjust accordingly.0 -
Well with my 1200 plus 1/2 my burnt cals works out at a min of 1400 a day so only 100 cals less then the scooby' calculations as if I went with the scooby's u wouldnt include burnt cals would u? So doesn't it work out the same? X0
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avilancaster871 wrote: »Well with my 1200 plus 1/2 my burnt cals works out at a min of 1400 a day so only 100 cals less then the scooby' calculations as if I went with the scooby's u wouldnt include burnt cals would u? So doesn't it work out the same? X
There will often be slight difference. When using TDEE you do not eat back exercise calories as is often recommended with MFP calculations. TDEE automatically includes these calories in the calculation so there is no adjustment necessary. Once you've gone a couple weeks or so you can get a better idea of how accurate either method is for your personal situation and then adjust accordingly.0 -
Ok thank you
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avilancaster871 wrote: »hey I started this 4 days ago and this app told me to eat the 1200 cals a day as I have been plus half of my burnt cals... That scooby link told me i should be eating 1500? Also went the docs today and they said it's unhealthy to eat the 1200 and should be having the 1500? What should I do stick to the 1200 or go with the 1500? I have 6 stone to loose in total and have my fitness level set to sedentary and wanting to loose 2lb week... Im 5ft1 if that makes a diffrence? Before diet I was consuming a lot of calories as was drinking fizzy all day and eating crap a lot basically .. Thanks x
Just learn to eat great food and enjoy it. Fast once in awhile. Just don't eat crap food. Most of us know what crap food is. Learn about that. The number should never drop below 1000 or above 2000. Your body will handle it if you eat 1500 calories. It depends on your activity, weight gain and age. If you are not gaining or losing, you know your maintenance number. If you want to lose, make sure you are cutting a bit and being more active.0 -
ardrasdesign wrote: »avilancaster871 wrote: »hey I started this 4 days ago and this app told me to eat the 1200 cals a day as I have been plus half of my burnt cals... That scooby link told me i should be eating 1500? Also went the docs today and they said it's unhealthy to eat the 1200 and should be having the 1500? What should I do stick to the 1200 or go with the 1500? I have 6 stone to loose in total and have my fitness level set to sedentary and wanting to loose 2lb week... Im 5ft1 if that makes a diffrence? Before diet I was consuming a lot of calories as was drinking fizzy all day and eating crap a lot basically .. Thanks x
Just learn to eat great food and enjoy it. Fast once in awhile. Just don't eat crap food. Most of us know what crap food is. Learn about that. The number should never drop below 1000 or above 2000. Your body will handle it if you eat 1500 calories. It depends on your activity, weight gain and age. If you are not gaining or losing, you know your maintenance number. If you want to lose, make sure you are cutting a bit and being more active.
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I used to follow a 1200 calorie plan to the T. I was miserable - but yes I was losing weight. It turns out, after 4 months on the dreaded 1200, I discovered I COULD eat more, feel fuller and STILL lose weight. It felt like a miracle.
I calculated my TDEE which is around 1750. I subtracted 250 calories which got me to around 1500ish. This is what I eat per day to lose 0.5lb per week. I'm very near to goal so losing anymore than that isn't necessary for me anymore. I don't eat back exercise calories because it was all accounted for in the TDEE (I hope this isn't confusing, I'm useless at explaining things). Long story short, depending on your goals and stats - you most certainly can be eating more and if your doctor has advised it then DEFINITELY eat more 0 -
PinkPixiexox wrote: »Hello
I used to follow a 1200 calorie plan to the T. I was miserable - but yes I was losing weight. It turns out, after 4 months on the dreaded 1200, I discovered I COULD eat more, feel fuller and STILL lose weight. It felt like a miracle.
I calculated my TDEE which is around 1750. I subtracted 250 calories which got me to around 1500ish. This is what I eat per day to lose 0.5lb per week. I'm very near to goal so losing anymore than that isn't necessary for me anymore. I don't eat back exercise calories because it was all accounted for in the TDEE (I hope this isn't confusing, I'm useless at explaining things). Long story short, depending on your goals and stats - you most certainly can be eating more and if your doctor has advised it then DEFINITELY eat more
Iv only just started and want to loose 6 stone so set it at the 2lb a week mark as have so much to loose ... Don't worry I find all this confusing ! Lol0 -
avilancaster871 wrote: »PinkPixiexox wrote: »Hello
I used to follow a 1200 calorie plan to the T. I was miserable - but yes I was losing weight. It turns out, after 4 months on the dreaded 1200, I discovered I COULD eat more, feel fuller and STILL lose weight. It felt like a miracle.
I calculated my TDEE which is around 1750. I subtracted 250 calories which got me to around 1500ish. This is what I eat per day to lose 0.5lb per week. I'm very near to goal so losing anymore than that isn't necessary for me anymore. I don't eat back exercise calories because it was all accounted for in the TDEE (I hope this isn't confusing, I'm useless at explaining things). Long story short, depending on your goals and stats - you most certainly can be eating more and if your doctor has advised it then DEFINITELY eat more
Iv only just started and want to loose 6 stone so set it at the 2lb a week mark as have so much to loose ... Don't worry I find all this confusing ! Lol
It can be REALLY confusing, I was completely lost when I started out. Basically, if you are working out a good amount - I'd up the calories to at least 1300-1400. 1200 is really extreme. 0 -
ardrasdesign wrote: »avilancaster871 wrote: »hey I started this 4 days ago and this app told me to eat the 1200 cals a day as I have been plus half of my burnt cals... That scooby link told me i should be eating 1500? Also went the docs today and they said it's unhealthy to eat the 1200 and should be having the 1500? What should I do stick to the 1200 or go with the 1500? I have 6 stone to loose in total and have my fitness level set to sedentary and wanting to loose 2lb week... Im 5ft1 if that makes a diffrence? Before diet I was consuming a lot of calories as was drinking fizzy all day and eating crap a lot basically .. Thanks x
Just learn to eat great food and enjoy it. Fast once in awhile. Just don't eat crap food. Most of us know what crap food is. Learn about that. The number should never drop below 1000 or above 2000. Your body will handle it if you eat 1500 calories. It depends on your activity, weight gain and age. If you are not gaining or losing, you know your maintenance number. If you want to lose, make sure you are cutting a bit and being more active.
I get what you are trying to say but your numbers are pulled from a hat by the looks of it. There is no reason to believe that 1000 is the floor (although it's probably safe to say it's around that point) or that 2000 is the ceiling. It really all depends, as you do say, on the activity level. If someone is really active they can have a huge TDEE so you really have to guage based on your own life style. I prefer to look at it as calories/lb for activity level rather than a straight number. For me, when I'm most active I can be around 30cal/lb for my maintenance but other times I'll be around 20cals/lb.0 -
I have this issue, where ppl say "just eat less calories than you burn" but it's kinda tough to tell how much you actually burn. One site said my TDEE was 3600, another said it was 2400, and other all said varying amount in between...Really I'm just kinda wingin it on my calorie goals, and as long as I feel good AND lose weight, I'm happy.0
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avilancaster871 wrote: »PinkPixiexox wrote: »Hello
I used to follow a 1200 calorie plan to the T. I was miserable - but yes I was losing weight. It turns out, after 4 months on the dreaded 1200, I discovered I COULD eat more, feel fuller and STILL lose weight. It felt like a miracle.
I calculated my TDEE which is around 1750. I subtracted 250 calories which got me to around 1500ish. This is what I eat per day to lose 0.5lb per week. I'm very near to goal so losing anymore than that isn't necessary for me anymore. I don't eat back exercise calories because it was all accounted for in the TDEE (I hope this isn't confusing, I'm useless at explaining things). Long story short, depending on your goals and stats - you most certainly can be eating more and if your doctor has advised it then DEFINITELY eat more
Iv only just started and want to loose 6 stone so set it at the 2lb a week mark as have so much to loose ... Don't worry I find all this confusing ! Lol
Scooby's does a percentage of your TDEE whereas MFP takes a specific amount away. They both are more-or-less calculating the same data.
Scooby philosophy "eat 80% of your daily needs to lose weight safely."
MFP philosophy "eat 500 calories less than your TDEE to lose 1 lb. per week."
Those are different goals, so that's why they're giving you different exact numbers as a goal.0 -
Let's not lose sight of the fact that OP is a shorty at 5ft1in so actually 1200 isn't scary low. I'm 5'3" and mfp has me on 1390 to lose 0.5lb a week.
OP I bet you find if you reduce the amount you want to lose per week to 1lb you will find MFP still has you at 1200 because it won't go lower than that. This means that your 2lbs per week will not be achieved in a healthy way and actually you may end up frustrated you aren't losing as you thought you should.
Which brings me to my next point...
When you are short you have very little room for error with your logging. You must be accurate with scale weight in grams, not cups. Also worth triple checking the item in the database as sometimes there can be 100-500 calories difference between entries. Us shorties cannot have that kind of discrepancy and lose weight.
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Mistraal1981 wrote: »Let's not lose sight of the fact that OP is a shorty at 5ft1in so actually 1200 isn't scary low. I'm 5'3" and mfp has me on 1390 to lose 0.5lb a week.
OP I bet you find if you reduce the amount you want to lose per week to 1lb you will find MFP still has you at 1200 because it won't go lower than that. This means that your 2lbs per week will not be achieved in a healthy way.
When I change to loose 1lb as u suggested it ups my cals to 1520 a day.....0 -
Do 1500 and see what happens. If you lose, then yay, stick with it! And be happy with more food.
Eat back only half of the exercise calories though.
At 5'1" you should lose easily on 1500 I think. My 5'0" non-athletic female friend lost on an average of 1500ish a day. You are also a year younger than her so it should be close.
What happens to your goal if you call yourself lightly active at 2lb a week?0 -
Ah good to know (could be due to your current weight, I only have about 25-30lbs to lose to get to ideal weight for height).
Maybe start with 1lb a week then until you get your eating habits reforming, then switch it to 2lbs so its not such a shock to your body.
As you have only just started you will also probably notice you drop 5-8lbs in the month quite quick. This is water weight, and is in no way going to continue at that rate. It's not you doing anything wrong, its just how it is. Your weight will also fluctuate around your period and if you have just started exercise you won't drop weight straight away.
The take away message is keep doing what you do; eating, weighing, exercising for a minimum of three months before you can say your body has settled and you can start to watch your weight loss in a more predictable manner.
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Do 1500 and see what happens. If you lose, then yay, stick with it! And be happy with more food.
Eat back only half of the exercise calories though.
At 5'1" you should lose easily on 1500 I think. My 5'0" non-athletic female friend lost on an average of 1500ish a day.
What happens to your goal if you call yourself lightly active at 2lb a week?
Changing to lightly active only puts my calls up by 80 a day?
at the moment I eat the whole 1200 plus half by burnt cals and that's a min of 200 a day so that's 1400 in total if I do the min amount of exercise some days I do more and eat more lol x 0 -
avilancaster871 wrote: »Mistraal1981 wrote: »Let's not lose sight of the fact that OP is a shorty at 5ft1in so actually 1200 isn't scary low. I'm 5'3" and mfp has me on 1390 to lose 0.5lb a week.
OP I bet you find if you reduce the amount you want to lose per week to 1lb you will find MFP still has you at 1200 because it won't go lower than that. This means that your 2lbs per week will not be achieved in a healthy way.
When I change to loose 1lb as u suggested it ups my cals to 1520 a day.....
What goal did you put into Scooby? If you put in 2 lbs/ week in MFP, it would subtract 1000 cals from your estimated NEAT maintenance level, but not go below 1200. When you changed it to 1 lb/week, and it gave you 1520/day - that means MFP thinks your NEAT maintenance is actually 2020 cals. Scooby says 1964, so those are not that far off. However, your calorie goal in the screen shot above from Scooby says 1571, which is your TDEE-20%.
I think the numbers are closer than you think, if you have your goals aligned between both systems.
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ardrasdesign wrote: »avilancaster871 wrote: »hey I started this 4 days ago and this app told me to eat the 1200 cals a day as I have been plus half of my burnt cals... That scooby link told me i should be eating 1500? Also went the docs today and they said it's unhealthy to eat the 1200 and should be having the 1500? What should I do stick to the 1200 or go with the 1500? I have 6 stone to loose in total and have my fitness level set to sedentary and wanting to loose 2lb week... Im 5ft1 if that makes a diffrence? Before diet I was consuming a lot of calories as was drinking fizzy all day and eating crap a lot basically .. Thanks x
Just learn to eat great food and enjoy it. Fast once in awhile. Just don't eat crap food. Most of us know what crap food is. Learn about that. The number should never drop below 1000 or above 2000. Your body will handle it if you eat 1500 calories. It depends on your activity, weight gain and age. If you are not gaining or losing, you know your maintenance number. If you want to lose, make sure you are cutting a bit and being more active.
Why do you have to fast? I don't know what crap food is, can you elaborate? I agree the number shouldn't drop below 1000, but why not exceed 2000? I'm a 5'2 female and my TDEE is ~2200. If I'm trying to maintain, why do I need to eat less than 2000?
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avilancaster871 wrote: »Do 1500 and see what happens. If you lose, then yay, stick with it! And be happy with more food.
Eat back only half of the exercise calories though.
At 5'1" you should lose easily on 1500 I think. My 5'0" non-athletic female friend lost on an average of 1500ish a day.
What happens to your goal if you call yourself lightly active at 2lb a week?
Changing to lightly active only puts my calls up by 80 a day? at the moment I eat the whole 1200 plus half by burnt cals and that's a min of 200 a day so that's 1400 in total if I do the min amount of exercise some days I do more and eat more lol x
I think you could try 1500 plus half exercise though (so avg of closer to 1700 including exercise). It doesn't hurt to try it for a week or two and see what happens. Now I would recommend making sure to count "classic" exercise... so not things like cleaning, cooking, shopping, etc. Just things you didn't used to do that you now do like running or gym time or DVDs or whatever it may be.
The only reason I'd say not to try it is if you usually estimate your food amounts instead of weighing them. Since then a lower calorie intake would give you a bit of margin for error. If you're someone who weighs 99% of the food and measures the liquids, then 1500 seems like it would work. To me. It's up to you though How comfortable are you on 1200? At your height, I agree with someone above that 1200 isn't unsafe.
That's weird about the lightly active. I'm guessing MFP is calculating your actual recommended amount as less than 1200 but it will not let it go lower than 1200. So it's adding the lightly active calories to whatever that lower number is.
I've heard a lot of people find MFP's "lightly active" more representative when they classify themselves as "sedentary", even for desk jobs. I know that is the case for me as well.
Another reason I think 1500 would work for you is I think you have a bit more to lose than she did (don't quote me there, I don't actually know her starting weight). So that actually should make it possible for you to eat a bit more than she did and still lose at the same rate (possibly a little quicker even).
I probably rambled too much there.
TLDR: May as well see what eating min 1500 cals would do for a week. And take note of how you feel while doing it. I think it would work well for you based on my sample size of 1.0 -
Mistraal1981 wrote: »Ah good to know (could be due to your current weight, I only have about 25-30lbs to lose to get to ideal weight for height).
Maybe start with 1lb a week then until you get your eating habits reforming, then switch it to 2lbs so its not such a shock to your body.
As you have only just started you will also probably notice you drop 5-8lbs in the month quite quick. This is water weight, and is in no way going to continue at that rate. It's not you doing anything wrong, its just how it is. Your weight will also fluctuate around your period and if you have just started exercise you won't drop weight straight away.
The take away message is keep doing what you do; eating, weighing, exercising for a minimum of three months before you can say your body has settled and you can start to watch your weight loss in a more predictable manner.
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I have 6 stone to loose so probably why it's set me at that then haha and thanks I will do have cut out all crap junk food as was eating that a lot also cut out fizzy as was drinking that all day and gone on to water so should loose something haha have started exercising aswell ! I hope I notice a difference as get down hearted when I don't lol but only been on for 4 days so not worried at the moment 0 -
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