Diet to lower cholesterol
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I do not concur. Why avoid whole grains?tennisdude2004 wrote: »Another good tip is to reduce grains.
I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see a respectful disagreement. Wish every poster followed your example.
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I too have read that a low carb diet improves (lowers) triglycerides, raises HDL and alters the type of LDL you have to larger sizes. I've also read that saturated fats can improve lipoprotein a numbers and fibrinogen.0
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goldthistime wrote: »
I do not concur. Why avoid whole grains?tennisdude2004 wrote: »Another good tip is to reduce grains.
I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see a respectful disagreement. Wish every poster followed your example.
He's always respectful!
Except for when he cusses people out! Then it gets a bit ackward
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I have been reading a lot about fats and cholesterol lately and I believe I'm coming to the conclusion that it is just not necessary to avoid meats and fats. They seem to have very little influence on your body's cholesterol levels. I'm also not completely convinced high levels really mean all that much. I've never been on the low fat bandwagon and I never agreed with not eating eggs.
Check this book out "The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet" by Nina Teicholz. I'm not saying she is 100% correct (I'm still investigating if she has any 'reasons' to write such a book) but the evidence she presents is compelling.0 -
goldthistime wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The most proven method for improving lipid profile is aerobic exercise. Diet wise, the Mediterranean Diet is probably the most proven. Olive oil, nuts, beans, vegetables and exercise. It works.
I agree. Diet is said to be much less of a factor in improving cholesterol levels than aerobic exercise. Or at least LDL/HDL ratios (which I have read is more important than just the level) . In my mind, the importance of this cannot be over emphasized. Kind of like when people say weight loss happens in the kitchen, cholesterol levels are improved in the gym.
Having said that, I have read the same about flax seed and above mentioned olive oil, nuts, beans and vegetables in terms of a diet.
Thank you both for these comments. I'm definitely encouraging her to exercise! It's one of those things, exercise gets a little easier as you lose weight, so the diet can contribute on that end.0 -
I have been reading a lot about fats and cholesterol lately and I believe I'm coming to the conclusion that it is just not necessary to avoid meats and fats. They seem to have very little influence on your body's cholesterol levels. I'm also not completely convinced high levels really mean all that much. I've never been on the low fat bandwagon and I never agreed with not eating eggs.
Check this book out "The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet" by Nina Teicholz. I'm not saying she is 100% correct (I'm still investigating if she has any 'reasons' to write such a book) but the evidence she presents is compelling.
Yes. Eggs are good for you. They do not raise cholesterol (for most people) even though they are packed full of it. I've read a lot on that as well. Again, as at the beginning of my post, the differing views on what constitutes a healthy diet are endless!
I think we can all agree that deep fat fried foods, cured meats, and other junk food should be less a part of our daily intake. More real food, less of the rest.
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One problem with advice for cholesterol is that people differ. Generally speaking, losing weight and exercise will be good for everyone. Beyond that, some people's cholesterol responds negatively to sat fat, which is why doctors frequently recommend trying a reduction in that as a first step and stuff like the Med diet may work. This worked for my dad, who was able to reduce his bad cholesterol by cutting out red meat and most dairy fat. (He was never more than a bit overweight and always exercised a lot, mostly endurance stuff.)
A majority of people don't seem to have cholesterol that responds to diet, though, and for them the key is really focusing on just the weight loss and exercise. Dietary changes that promote weight loss for the person will obviously help, then.0 -
amandadunwoody wrote: »@aggelikik Yeah, I know it was a shot in the dark!
Yes, the responses here have been all over the place. The info on the internet is all over the place. Most docs and dieticians are parroting the FDA guidelines they learned in school with little new info. And the FDA says every couple of years that they were wrong about everything... So again thanks lol. I feel like regardless of the details she is on the right path with cutting out processed pork, deep fried everything, and junk food. She's supposed to go back in 6 months but I'll ask her if she had thought about asking to see a dietitian.
When it comes to a serious medical issue, I would take advice from a dr over the advice of a random person. Drs have access to the internet too. They also have access to research journals. Can read the full articles, not just the interesting headlines reproduced in the media, and can understand what they are reading, unlike most of us. They participate in seminars and conventions, they talk to their coworkers. If there is outdated advice out there, and if the random trainer, hairdresser or english teacher can spot the problem by using dr google, I would hope that the average dr can also come to the same conclusion. Those years of studies and working experience must add up to something, no?
Not saying every dr is good or cares, there are bad professionals in every job. But I have seen on internet forums so far so many people claim that they know better than drs regarding diabetes, cholesterol, blood pressure, heart disease, vaccines, childhood illnesses, trauma, PCOS, fertility issues and these are just the first that come to my mind. So, either the average medical school just gives degrees for a price without the new drs actually ever setting foot in a class, or dr google is creating to lots of people that a few days of searching renders drs obsolete.
If your friend suspects her dr simply does not care, she should seek for a second opinion. If she suspects that his/her advice does not suit her lifestyle, she should say so and see if there is a compromise. If she reads something that makes her wonder about drs advice, she should just bring it up and ask about it. I do not know where you live or how drs are there, but whenever I have brought questions to drs (and I have needed plenty of them in my life) they never had a problem replying and explaining so far.
Sorry for the novel
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26003334
I do not concur. Why avoid whole grains?tennisdude2004 wrote: »Another good tip is to reduce grains.
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26003334
I do not concur. Why avoid whole grains?tennisdude2004 wrote: »Another good tip is to reduce grains.
Interesting observation, but it would be interesting to see their testing methods and understand how they distinguished between improved cholesterol from weight loss vs grain free. Any chance you have a full article or just the abstract? I can only find the abstract.
Just from a personal observation, if i would design a study to validate a hypothesis, I would change dietary requirements but maintain weight throughout the study to eliminate any external factors.0 -
amandadunwoody wrote: »@aggelikik Yeah, I know it was a shot in the dark!
Yes, the responses here have been all over the place. The info on the internet is all over the place. Most docs and dieticians are parroting the FDA guidelines they learned in school with little new info. And the FDA says every couple of years that they were wrong about everything... So again thanks lol. I feel like regardless of the details she is on the right path with cutting out processed pork, deep fried everything, and junk food. She's supposed to go back in 6 months but I'll ask her if she had thought about asking to see a dietitian.
When it comes to a serious medical issue, I would take advice from a dr over the advice of a random person. Drs have access to the internet too. They also have access to research journals. Can read the full articles, not just the interesting headlines reproduced in the media, and can understand what they are reading, unlike most of us. They participate in seminars and conventions, they talk to their coworkers. If there is outdated advice out there, and if the random trainer, hairdresser or english teacher can spot the problem by using dr google, I would hope that the average dr can also come to the same conclusion. Those years of studies and working experience must add up to something, no?
Not saying every dr is good or cares, there are bad professionals in every job. But I have seen on internet forums so far so many people claim that they know better than drs regarding diabetes, cholesterol, blood pressure, heart disease, vaccines, childhood illnesses, trauma, PCOS, fertility issues and these are just the first that come to my mind. So, either the average medical school just gives degrees for a price without the new drs actually ever setting foot in a class, or dr google is creating to lots of people that a few days of searching renders drs obsolete.
If your friend suspects her dr simply does not care, she should seek for a second opinion. If she suspects that his/her advice does not suit her lifestyle, she should say so and see if there is a compromise. If she reads something that makes her wonder about drs advice, she should just bring it up and ask about it. I do not know where you live or how drs are there, but whenever I have brought questions to drs (and I have needed plenty of them in my life) they never had a problem replying and explaining so far.
Sorry for the novel
It depends on the doctors that are being referenced. Just like cardiology is a specialty, so is nutrition. And most doctors (especially GPs) have very little to no education in nutrition unless they take a particular interest or specialize in that field. I can tell you this random internet person knows more then his pediatric cardiologist friend (and she admits that).
I will say, if you do have special requirements or want to know specifics, it probably is best to take the information you collect or research to a specialist and validate it. But just like when you go buy a car or anything major, I always suggest independent research so you have a basis of information.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »
I do not concur. Why avoid whole grains?tennisdude2004 wrote: »Another good tip is to reduce grains.
I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see a respectful disagreement. Wish every poster followed your example.
He's always respectful!
Except for when he cusses people me out! Then it gets a bit ackward
That's a joke by the way
FIFY...
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