"We know what a healthy diet is. Now can we stop arguing about it?"
Caitwn
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The speaker in the video is Dr. David Katz, director of the Yale Prevention Research Center. Posting because it's worth watching - and is only 5 minutes long.
https://youtu.be/lW8C1W1Iefk
https://youtu.be/lW8C1W1Iefk1
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Thanks, Caitwin. That was great.0
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Love that, thank you for sharing it.0
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I love it. I've been linking various pieces by him for a while.0
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For those who want a summation...
Make the bulk of your diet normal amounts of "wholesome foods" - fruits, veggies, whole grains, lentils, beans, nuts, seeds. If you want to add fish, lean meats, eggs, dairy, have at it.
No one healthy diet is better than another. Stop arguing about Mediterranean v Paleo v Vegan.0 -
Thanks so much for sharing that. Wonderfully sensible and clear.0
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For those who want a summation...
Make the bulk of your diet normal amounts of "wholesome foods" - fruits, veggies, whole grains, lentils, beans, nuts, seeds. If you want to add fish, lean meats, eggs, dairy, have at it.
Sounds like a vegetarian manifesto. Fruits first ? I'm out (pre-diabetic).
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For those who want a summation...
Make the bulk of your diet normal amounts of "wholesome foods" - fruits, veggies, whole grains, lentils, beans, nuts, seeds. If you want to add fish, lean meats, eggs, dairy, have at it.
No one healthy diet is better than another. Stop arguing about Mediterranean v Paleo v Vegan.
Yeah, but with sensible advice how the hell am I supposed to flog my new moonstone supreme master of the universe weight loss programme (additional p&p fee of £50)*
Shakes fist at the sky
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This is great - apart from the "lean meat" part. Hasn't fat been OKed now?0
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kommodevaran wrote: »This is great - apart from the "lean meat" part. Hasn't fat been OKed now?
Lots of fat in the nuts in seeds.0 -
He doesn't say eat fruits first/in greater quantities than vegetables, and I didn't even read Kalikel's summary that way.For those who want a summation...
Make the bulk of your diet normal amounts of "wholesome foods" - fruits, veggies, whole grains, lentils, beans, nuts, seeds. If you want to add fish, lean meats, eggs, dairy, have at it.
No one healthy diet is better than another. Stop arguing about Mediterranean v Paleo v Vegan.
To add to this (from http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/science-compared-every-diet-and-the-winner-is-real-food/284595/ -- I need to find a new link to the whole paper referenced):Among the salient points of proven health benefits the researchers note, nutritionally-replete plant-based diets are supported by a wide array of favorable health outcomes, including fewer cancers and less heart disease. These diets ideally included not just fruits and vegetables, but whole grains, nuts, and seeds. Katz and Meller found "no decisive evidence" that low-fat diets are better than diets high in healthful fats, like the Mediterranean. Those fats include a lower ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids than the typical American diet....
They also found carbohydrate-selective diets to be better than categorically low-carbohydrate diets, in that incorporating whole grains is associated with lower risks for cancers and better control of body weight. Attention to glycemic load and index is "sensible at the least." Eating foods that have high glycemic loads (which Katz says is much more relevant to health outcomes than glycemic index—in that some quality foods like carrots have very high indices, which could be misleading) is associated with greater risk of heart disease....
The subjects of media headlines and popular diet books are dark places for Katz. "It’s not just linguistic, I really at times feel like crying, when I think about that we’re paying for ignorance with human lives," he told me. "At times, I hate the people with alphabet soup after their names who are promising the moon and the stars with certainty. I hate knowing that the next person is already rubbing his or her hands together with the next fad to make it on the bestseller list."...
A nod to the fact that popular media is not totally lost, Katz borrows from the writer Michael Pollan, citing a seminal 2007 New York Times Magazine article on "nutritionism" in concluding that the mantra, "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" is sound. "That’s an excellent idea, and yet somehow it turns out to be extremely radical."
Though Katz also says it isn’t nearly enough. "That doesn't help you pick the most nutritious bread, or the best pasta sauce. A member of the foodie elite might say you shouldn't eat anything from a bag, box, bottle, jar, or can." That's admittedly impractical. "We do need to look at all the details that populate the space between where we are and where we want to be."0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »This is great - apart from the "lean meat" part. Hasn't fat been OKed now?
The mainstream position seems to still be that animal fats should be eaten in moderation (which does not mean not at all, of course).0 -
Doesn't lean meat typically have fat, just not as much? I mean, the chicken breast I eat has fat in it.kommodevaran wrote: »This is great - apart from the "lean meat" part. Hasn't fat been OKed now?
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lemurcat12 wrote: »He doesn't say eat fruits first/in greater quantities than vegetables, and I didn't even read Kalikel's summary that way.For those who want a summation...
Make the bulk of your diet normal amounts of "wholesome foods" - fruits, veggies, whole grains, lentils, beans, nuts, seeds. If you want to add fish, lean meats, eggs, dairy, have at it.
No one healthy diet is better than another. Stop arguing about Mediterranean v Paleo v Vegan.
To add to this (from http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/science-compared-every-diet-and-the-winner-is-real-food/284595/ -- I need to find a new link to the whole paper referenced):Among the salient points of proven health benefits the researchers note, nutritionally-replete plant-based diets are supported by a wide array of favorable health outcomes, including fewer cancers and less heart disease. These diets ideally included not just fruits and vegetables, but whole grains, nuts, and seeds. Katz and Meller found "no decisive evidence" that low-fat diets are better than diets high in healthful fats, like the Mediterranean. Those fats include a lower ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids than the typical American diet....
They also found carbohydrate-selective diets to be better than categorically low-carbohydrate diets, in that incorporating whole grains is associated with lower risks for cancers and better control of body weight. Attention to glycemic load and index is "sensible at the least." Eating foods that have high glycemic loads (which Katz says is much more relevant to health outcomes than glycemic index—in that some quality foods like carrots have very high indices, which could be misleading) is associated with greater risk of heart disease....
The subjects of media headlines and popular diet books are dark places for Katz. "It’s not just linguistic, I really at times feel like crying, when I think about that we’re paying for ignorance with human lives," he told me. "At times, I hate the people with alphabet soup after their names who are promising the moon and the stars with certainty. I hate knowing that the next person is already rubbing his or her hands together with the next fad to make it on the bestseller list."...
A nod to the fact that popular media is not totally lost, Katz borrows from the writer Michael Pollan, citing a seminal 2007 New York Times Magazine article on "nutritionism" in concluding that the mantra, "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" is sound. "That’s an excellent idea, and yet somehow it turns out to be extremely radical."
Though Katz also says it isn’t nearly enough. "That doesn't help you pick the most nutritious bread, or the best pasta sauce. A member of the foodie elite might say you shouldn't eat anything from a bag, box, bottle, jar, or can." That's admittedly impractical. "We do need to look at all the details that populate the space between where we are and where we want to be."
http://www.health.uct.ac.za/sites/default/files/image_tool/images/116/diet-debate/Katz 2014.pdf
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For those who want a summation...
Make the bulk of your diet normal amounts of "wholesome foods" - fruits, veggies, whole grains, lentils, beans, nuts, seeds. If you want to add fish, lean meats, eggs, dairy, have at it.
Sounds like a vegetarian manifesto. Fruits first ? I'm out (pre-diabetic).
Then you should probably watch it instead of reading someone's summation.
not really, I don't go in mosques or synagogues or churches and I don't intend to be subjected to one of the (self) anointed in this field either. If Kalikel got it wrong then please correct it.0 -
For those who want a summation...
Make the bulk of your diet normal amounts of "wholesome foods" - fruits, veggies, whole grains, lentils, beans, nuts, seeds. If you want to add fish, lean meats, eggs, dairy, have at it.
Sounds like a vegetarian manifesto. Fruits first ? I'm out (pre-diabetic).
Then you should probably watch it instead of reading someone's summation.
not really, I don't go in mosques or synagogues or churches and I don't intend to be subjected to one of the (self) anointed in this field either. If Kalikel got it wrong then please correct it.
Wow that's very open minded of you.0 -
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For those who want a summation...
Make the bulk of your diet normal amounts of "wholesome foods" - fruits, veggies, whole grains, lentils, beans, nuts, seeds. If you want to add fish, lean meats, eggs, dairy, have at it.
No one healthy diet is better than another. Stop arguing about Mediterranean v Paleo v Vegan.
Thanks but no thanks is my personal response to that guy.
Scratch grains and most beans, add meat.
Bacon
It does a body good
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kommodevaran wrote: »This is great - apart from the "lean meat" part. Hasn't fat been OKed now?
There is fat in leaner cuts of meat0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »He doesn't say eat fruits first/in greater quantities than vegetables, and I didn't even read Kalikel's summary that way.For those who want a summation...
Make the bulk of your diet normal amounts of "wholesome foods" - fruits, veggies, whole grains, lentils, beans, nuts, seeds. If you want to add fish, lean meats, eggs, dairy, have at it.
No one healthy diet is better than another. Stop arguing about Mediterranean v Paleo v Vegan.
To add to this (from http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/science-compared-every-diet-and-the-winner-is-real-food/284595/ -- I need to find a new link to the whole paper referenced):Among the salient points of proven health benefits the researchers note, nutritionally-replete plant-based diets are supported by a wide array of favorable health outcomes, including fewer cancers and less heart disease. These diets ideally included not just fruits and vegetables, but whole grains, nuts, and seeds. Katz and Meller found "no decisive evidence" that low-fat diets are better than diets high in healthful fats, like the Mediterranean. Those fats include a lower ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids than the typical American diet....
They also found carbohydrate-selective diets to be better than categorically low-carbohydrate diets, in that incorporating whole grains is associated with lower risks for cancers and better control of body weight. Attention to glycemic load and index is "sensible at the least." Eating foods that have high glycemic loads (which Katz says is much more relevant to health outcomes than glycemic index—in that some quality foods like carrots have very high indices, which could be misleading) is associated with greater risk of heart disease....
The subjects of media headlines and popular diet books are dark places for Katz. "It’s not just linguistic, I really at times feel like crying, when I think about that we’re paying for ignorance with human lives," he told me. "At times, I hate the people with alphabet soup after their names who are promising the moon and the stars with certainty. I hate knowing that the next person is already rubbing his or her hands together with the next fad to make it on the bestseller list."...
A nod to the fact that popular media is not totally lost, Katz borrows from the writer Michael Pollan, citing a seminal 2007 New York Times Magazine article on "nutritionism" in concluding that the mantra, "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" is sound. "That’s an excellent idea, and yet somehow it turns out to be extremely radical."
Though Katz also says it isn’t nearly enough. "That doesn't help you pick the most nutritious bread, or the best pasta sauce. A member of the foodie elite might say you shouldn't eat anything from a bag, box, bottle, jar, or can." That's admittedly impractical. "We do need to look at all the details that populate the space between where we are and where we want to be."
http://www.health.uct.ac.za/sites/default/files/image_tool/images/116/diet-debate/Katz 2014.pdf
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In short - Whole Foods Plant Based - a no-brainer.0
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He seemed to be saying that no diet is better than another UNLESS you basically follow Michael Pollen's "eat food, not too much, mostly plants" slogan.
If grains are included in that, I'll disagree.0
https://youtu.be/kQFKtI6gn9Y
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