How long have you been consistently on your fitness regime?
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15 months. Typing this makes me realize how much progress I've made in 15 months, holy cow!
I lift weights, normally 4x per week but at the very moment only 3. Currently trying to shed a few pounds to get lean enough for a proper bulk.0 -
myvr, my concern is not about what is true in theory but what is true in reality. Most people do fail at long term wieghtloss. I have failed many times in the past but i've learnt from my past mistakes and so far so good. This is much longer than i have ever sustained weightloss before.
But my point to you is worth repeating. CICO is true in theory and in fact. But in reality people need to understand mroe than that to make it work for them.
Saying CICO is an over simplification. Its akin to saying you can be a great piano player if you practice. Or all you need to know about driving a car is that it runs on petrol, or to get a tax return you just have to fill in the form, or to become a doctor you have to go to university.
IN reality no amount of practice is going to make me a great piano player. No primitive tribesman from the Andaman islands will be able to drive a car around the island, a person of ordinary intelligence is unlikely to get a tax return unless htey take it to an accountant, and there's a lot more to becoming a doctor than going to university.
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Why do I feel like this is research being conducted without informed consent?0
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Patttience wrote: »You are also proof of what i'm saying. You see your weight is going up and down all the time and you need to keep starting again it seems.
My apologies if I gave that impression.All three methods work. I've done all three at different times of my life.
For years (mid-1990s to mid-2000s) I was very-very active, and ate a large amount of food, but would lose weight anyway. I actually struggled to keep my weight within a normal range. I kept dropping into the underweight range.
In 2011, heading into winter that year, my activity level dropped, so I just reduced the amount I ate, and I lost weight.
And this time I'm doing both ... reducing the amount I eat and increasing exercise.
To clarify ...
From the mid-1990s (and even before that ... actually, most of my life) to mid-2000s, I was in the lower half of my normal BMI range ... sometimes dipping into underweight.
I did gain weight in 2009, in my early 40s, because I developed a rather serious case of Deep Vein Thrombosis and my fitness level dropped right off. I adjusted my eating, but not quite enough. I was aware of that, however it didn't really matter to me because I remained within my normal BMI range. So ... no biggie.
Then in 2011, my husband and I decided to take on a cycling challenge that involved doing 7 long, challenging climbs (7 Peaks Challenge). In preparation for that, I decided to drop a bit of weight ... better power to weight ratio for the climbs. So I did just that over winter that year by reducing the amount I ate, as mentioned above, and lost about 5 or 6 kg in preparation for the cycling season. And we climbed all 7 Peaks that season!
In 2012, my husband and I set off for an 8-month, round the world trip with our bicycles. We cycled a lot, but we also ate a lot, and again, I didn't care. I wasn't going to restrict my eating while travelling the world. Too much good food out there!
Plus I knew I could take it off later. Again ... no biggie.
We settled in one spot for a month over Christmas that year. My husband and I got a 1-month gym membership and exercised a lot, while still eating lots of Christmas goodies, and dropped some weight. We didn't want things to get out of hand, so we took a bit of CI<CO corrective action there.
I put a bit more on while we were getting settled in a new location, new jobs, etc., because I really didn't feel like focusing much on either exercise or eating less during that time ... but now I'm doing both and I'm back down into the lower half of my BMI range again.
I've had a little bit of an unsettled blip for the past 5 or 6 years, while enjoying life ... but by putting on the brakes now and then, and making some minor CI<CO readjustments, we didn't let things get too carried away.
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Why do I feel like this is research being conducted without informed consent?
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On another forum I am a member of, around this time of year (near the start of the North American school year), we get a lot of "research students" with various and sundry surveys and things.
We ask them why they are doing the survey ... they hedge. But they usually hint that it is in preparation to create some marvellous, never-before-heard-of product.
We ask them to tell us more about the class they are doing the survey for ... they hedge.
We ask them to tell us more about the product ... they hedge.
We tell them that if we do the survey and answer the questions, we would like to know the results of the survey ... they say, "yeah, sure" and we never hear from them again.
We're not positive they are research students. We're not sure what they are. Or if they are research students, we suspect that the class or assignment is simply on research techniques and that they are required to do a survey of some sort and present the results.
So ... one wonders.
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Why do I feel like this is research being conducted without informed consent?
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On another forum I am a member of, around this time of year (near the start of the North American school year), we get a lot of "research students" with various and sundry surveys and things.
We ask them why they are doing the survey ... they hedge. But they usually hint that it is in preparation to create some marvellous, never-before-heard-of product.
We ask them to tell us more about the class they are doing the survey for ... they hedge.
We ask them to tell us more about the product ... they hedge.
We tell them that if we do the survey and answer the questions, we would like to know the results of the survey ... they say, "yeah, sure" and we never hear from them again.
We're not positive they are research students. We're not sure what they are. Or if they are research students, we suspect that the class or assignment is simply on research techniques and that they are required to do a survey of some sort and present the results.
So ... one wonders.
To be fair, it's my default mindset; I work for an institutional review board.
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Patttience wrote: »But my point to you is worth repeating. CICO is true in theory and in fact. But in reality people need to understand mroe than that to make it work for them.
Saying CICO is an over simplification. Its akin to saying you can be a great piano player if you practice. Or all you need to know about driving a car is that it runs on petrol, or to get a tax return you just have to fill in the form, or to become a doctor you have to go to university.
I don't agree with your analogies but appreciate that you are trying to communicate an idea with them.
CI - CO = surplus or (deficit). There is nothing to over simplify.
We get fat by eating more than our body needs [surplus]. We lose weight by eating less than our body needs [deficit]. It isn't an oversimplification to acknowledge basic biology matters most in weight loss or weight gain. Ultimately that's what it boils down to.
Whether an individual has other issues affecting their unwanted gain or complicating their desired loss is... individual.
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My research is private research. I am not a student and i am not working for anyone.0
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Patttience wrote: »But my point to you is worth repeating. CICO is true in theory and in fact. But in reality people need to understand mroe than that to make it work for them.
Saying CICO is an over simplification. Its akin to saying you can be a great piano player if you practice. Or all you need to know about driving a car is that it runs on petrol, or to get a tax return you just have to fill in the form, or to become a doctor you have to go to university.
I don't agree with your analogies but appreciate that you are trying to communicate an idea with them.
CI - CO = surplus or (deficit). There is nothing to over simplify.
We get fat by eating more than our body needs [surplus]. We lose weight by eating less than our body needs [deficit]. It isn't an oversimplification to acknowledge basic biology matters most in weight loss or weight gain. Ultimately that's what it boils down to.
Whether an individual has other issues affecting their unwanted gain or complicating their desired loss is... individual.
My god people showing their lack of intelligence now. CICO is a simplication of what's involved in weightloss. If you think that could be successful if you tried to lose weight permanently by eating 1500 or 1300 or 2000 calories of let's say 3 foods for hte rest of your life,
When you say all that counts is CICO you dismiss everything else that goes into successful long term weightloss. And that's pretty unintelligent.
When you say CICO is all that counts is as though you haven't noticed that most people who try to lose weight and keep it off fail.
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As to things being individual i will also disagree with you.
Here is my blog about what is fundamental to successful long term weightloss to everyone:
myfitnesspal.com/blog/Patttience/edit/the-fundamentals-of-successful-long-term-weightloss-7659410 -
Patttience wrote: »Patttience wrote: »But my point to you is worth repeating. CICO is true in theory and in fact. But in reality people need to understand mroe than that to make it work for them.
Saying CICO is an over simplification. Its akin to saying you can be a great piano player if you practice. Or all you need to know about driving a car is that it runs on petrol, or to get a tax return you just have to fill in the form, or to become a doctor you have to go to university.
I don't agree with your analogies but appreciate that you are trying to communicate an idea with them.
CI - CO = surplus or (deficit). There is nothing to over simplify.
We get fat by eating more than our body needs [surplus]. We lose weight by eating less than our body needs [deficit]. It isn't an oversimplification to acknowledge basic biology matters most in weight loss or weight gain. Ultimately that's what it boils down to.
Whether an individual has other issues affecting their unwanted gain or complicating their desired loss is... individual.
My god people showing their lack of intelligence now. CICO is a simplication of what's involved in weightloss. If you think that could be successful if you tried to lose weight permanently by eating 1500 or 1300 or 2000 calories of let's say 3 foods for hte rest of your life,
When you say all that counts is CICO you dismiss everything else that goes into successful long term weightloss. And that's pretty unintelligent.
When you say CICO is all that counts is as though you haven't noticed that most people who try to lose weight and keep it off fail.
Suddenly you think you've found some secret to cure the 80-95% recidivism rate, and he's the one showing a lack of intelligence? No specific comment on your link as I really can't read it if you're going to address fellow members this way, but the "oversimplification" can be extremely useful for some, as it stops any BS anyone from the industry is trying to sell dead in its tracks once you're fully aware that the single causal factor to weight loss is consuming less calories than you burn. This has saved a lot of us wasted time and aggravation. Sorry it irritates you, for whatever reason!
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How many weeks, months, or years have you been consistently following a fitness regime? 20 something years, with breaks during pregnancies.
How much time do you spend on it? Currently, a total of 4-6 hours per week on average
How many days a week? At least 3, at most 6.
What type of activity? Through the years, lots of things. Running has been the one I have done most. Currently, swimming, lifting, pilates.
How much did you have to lose at the start Nothing. I do not exercise for weight loss.0 -
Patttience wrote: »My god people showing their lack of intelligence now. CICO is a simplication of what's involved in weightloss. If you think that could be successful if you tried to lose weight permanently by eating 1500 or 1300 or 2000 calories of let's say 3 foods for hte rest of your life,
When you say all that counts is CICO you dismiss everything else that goes into successful long term weightloss. And that's pretty unintelligent.
When you say CICO is all that counts is as though you haven't noticed that most people who try to lose weight and keep it off fail.
Read what I said, again. I did not say "CICO is all that counts", but I did say your analogies were bogus however I was far more polite in stating my opinion of what you are putting forth than how you are behaving in return.
You aren't expressing yourself very clearly. Separate the concerns.
The first concern is how does one gain weight? Simple - by consuming more energy than they need. Losing weight likewise is a fairly straightforward matter of energy consumption vs energy expenditure.
We can prove this easily: feed a dog that is currently in weight maintenance mode an extra cup of high energy food a day. The dog will gain weight. Feed the dog one half cup less than it should have to maintain. The dog will lose weight.
The dog's mental state doesn't factor into this. The dog's cravings don't matter. The dog can't feed itself. Weight loss follows.
The moral of this analogy: have someone feed you like a dog on a weight loss program and you *will* lose weight. You might need to be shackled to a wall to prevent you from running to the corner store for cheat food, but that's a secondary consideration, right?
Of course there is more to permanent weight loss than identifying the mechanism for loss (eat fewer calories than you burn). No one is arguing that, except perhaps you through this somewhat twisted thread.
Your original question asked about fitness regimens. Then you asked "how much did you have to lose at the start". Then you asked whether people took on their exercise program to lose weight or to gain health.
Then you said:Think of it like a survey. If you don't answer all the survey questions, chances are the whole survey is pointless. Of course if you want to say whatever you want, for the sake of it, there's no harm done but its not actually helpful to me.
It's a pretty poorly designed survey that morphs continuously as people answer your original question.
Then you said:I didn't start this thread to convince anyone on it of anything.
You certainly have not shied away from doing so - reference your strong opinion on "CICO", as if "CICO" were a plan. It is not.
CICO is short hand. CICO isn't a religion. It isn't a weight loss program. It isn't a solution in and of itself but a convenient way to distil conversation about what happens when an individual consumes more, less, or just the same calories as they burn in their daily existence.
It means nothing more than that.
You appear to feel it does. Why?
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Patttience wrote: »As to things being individual i will also disagree with you.
Go for it. But first consider:- Motivation? Individual
- Health issues? Individual
- Mental health issues? Individual
- Addictions? Individual
- Age? Individual
- Sex? Individual
- Work? Individual
- Life stresses? Individual
- Education? Individual
- Financial state? Individual
- Geographic location? Individual
- Heredity? Individual
- Genetic make up? Individual
- ...
Yes, weight loss is individual. Your entire blog post makes that point. Why would you argue otherwise?
The only common factor across all persons is CICO. Consume more calories than the body requires and you gain weight. Consume just as many calories as the body requires and your weight remains constant. Consume fewer calories than the body requires and weight will decrease.
Acknowledging this basic principle, "CICO", doesn't mean that other factors are unimportant, so please, no more insinuating that anyone is suggesting such a thing.
At the same time, for some people, simply altering their intake is all they needed to do in order to lose weight and keep it off. Why would you assume, as you appear to do in your blog post, that everyone has a complex weight gain + loss story? That simply isn't the case.0 -
I started when I joined the Army which was in 2011. I used to do my Physical Training (PT) 4-5 miles running and do body weight exercises every other day at 0630 Mon-Fri. Now, I've switched off to weightlifting and been doing it for 1.5 years. I lift weights 5-6 days per week consistently (ever since I started). I throw some cardio here and there like High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) or Low Intensity Steady State Cardio (LISS). Depending on my weightlifting days. If it is leg day, I do LISS after which only last for 20 min.0
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Pointless to waste anymore energy here.0
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One year. Running and kettlebell. Every day 40 minutes to 2 hours. 70 pounds to lose and 6 left to go. Took it up for health. It helps me control eating and it makes me hapoy!0
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