TOO LITTLE CALORIES?!?!? Thyroid problem?
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Hi CharcharJo, would you mind if i sent you a direct message on your food diary? Just got a few more questionsAmberonamission wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »Amberonamission wrote: »
I am sorry. Didn't plan it to sound harsh. Just trying to say you have to be sharp. Trans fat is another place they scam you. Just because it says 0 grams doesn't make it true. That can say zero if it is less than a gram. It took me a long time to figure out that the lables are kind of crap.CharCharJo wrote: »Amberonamission wrote: »
That got cut off. It's a 30% leeway. That can really add up. No wonder Americans have such difficulty being healthy. They are legally allowed to lie.Amberonamission wrote: »I just got my blood work back and dang no thyroid problems. I wanted a reason, so badly, for the growth of my fat A**. No such luck. I was just eating way more than I thought and relying on food lables to be accurate. For example, I love dried apricots. The package says 7 for 140 calories. When I weigh that in grams it's 4 not 7. You really have to be careful in the USA. Food companies are given a 3
wow..thats harsh
NO HAHA! The fact theyre allowed to lie is harsh!
it's not lying. They have tolerances that are required to hit. So a type of food can be XX calories +/- 25%. Ever weigh a bagel? Compare the difference in the weight. Not every thing, even with standard manufacturing, will be exactly as marked on the package.
That. It's impossible to be exactly the same.
Even fresh whole foods don't necessarily have the same amount of calories. Get a tomato that didn't get as much sun and it has less calories than the USDA standard tomato. Or something, I'm not a botanist.
Not at all talking about basic ingredients. I am talking about the proven falsehoods on American food lables. Diet food especially. When tested in labs it is regularly 30% higher in calories than reported. Argue all you like but there is a reason people who regularly eat prepared food, even diet food, don't lose. It is just something to keep in mind when reaching for that kind of meal.
Curious, do you have any studies? I know that the FDA allows for foods to fall within a tolerance (some of my bagels are above and some are below the suggested amount) but I haven't seen a widespread issue outside of that. Not saying that companies don't lie because just look at the whole supplement industry, but would like to have more concrete data.
I'm not sure about the states. But a recent BBC programme in the UK showed that nutrient reference values varied by up to 20% from the actual tested product and the label. There is obviously a tolerance but not sure what that is.
How did you test the bagels you mentioned.....? Or are you talking about the weight variation? Labels in the uk have an "e". This reflects the average weight of the product as a total. To be accurate you obviously have to take the 100g values and adjust for the actual weight.0 -
scottwilson16 wrote: »Hi CharcharJo, would you mind if i sent you a direct message on your food diary? Just got a few more questionsAmberonamission wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »Amberonamission wrote: »
I am sorry. Didn't plan it to sound harsh. Just trying to say you have to be sharp. Trans fat is another place they scam you. Just because it says 0 grams doesn't make it true. That can say zero if it is less than a gram. It took me a long time to figure out that the lables are kind of crap.CharCharJo wrote: »Amberonamission wrote: »
That got cut off. It's a 30% leeway. That can really add up. No wonder Americans have such difficulty being healthy. They are legally allowed to lie.Amberonamission wrote: »I just got my blood work back and dang no thyroid problems. I wanted a reason, so badly, for the growth of my fat A**. No such luck. I was just eating way more than I thought and relying on food lables to be accurate. For example, I love dried apricots. The package says 7 for 140 calories. When I weigh that in grams it's 4 not 7. You really have to be careful in the USA. Food companies are given a 3
wow..thats harsh
NO HAHA! The fact theyre allowed to lie is harsh!
it's not lying. They have tolerances that are required to hit. So a type of food can be XX calories +/- 25%. Ever weigh a bagel? Compare the difference in the weight. Not every thing, even with standard manufacturing, will be exactly as marked on the package.
That. It's impossible to be exactly the same.
Even fresh whole foods don't necessarily have the same amount of calories. Get a tomato that didn't get as much sun and it has less calories than the USDA standard tomato. Or something, I'm not a botanist.
Not at all talking about basic ingredients. I am talking about the proven falsehoods on American food lables. Diet food especially. When tested in labs it is regularly 30% higher in calories than reported. Argue all you like but there is a reason people who regularly eat prepared food, even diet food, don't lose. It is just something to keep in mind when reaching for that kind of meal.
Curious, do you have any studies? I know that the FDA allows for foods to fall within a tolerance (some of my bagels are above and some are below the suggested amount) but I haven't seen a widespread issue outside of that. Not saying that companies don't lie because just look at the whole supplement industry, but would like to have more concrete data.
I'm not sure about the states. But a recent BBC programme in the UK showed that nutrient reference values varied by up to 20% from the actual tested product and the label. There is obviously a tolerance but not sure what that is.
How did you test the bagels you mentioned.....? Or are you talking about the weight variation? Labels in the uk have an "e". This reflects the average weight of the product as a total. To be accurate you obviously have to take the 100g values and adjust for the actual weight.
I am speaking of serving size weight in regards to my bagels. So if a serving size ia 200g, the bagel can be more or less but that is the average size.
The other factor is average calories per serving which can vary +/- 20% . Although, that isnt something we can or should worry about since you are looking at averages over long periods of time. And like @stevencloser already mentioned that even whole foods can vary in nutritional content.
What i am suggesting to the OP is use the food scale even on packaged items. In my case that bagel could be 180g or 220g but you can adjust. And this can be rather important since she has hypothyroidism which gives her less room for error. A person like me, who maintains at 3000 calories, has a lot more room to adjust. Its possible the OP is literally half that number.
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No, eating too little cannot make you gain weight. It can screw up your metabolism if you do it long enough.
Yes, thyroid problems can make weight loss a struggle. I don't have a thyroid and rely on synthetic hormone replacement (Go GMOs!) and I lose weight. I've lost 93 pounds on a high-carb, low-fat diet. I'm not suggesting that it's the right kind if diet for you or that you'll have my luck, but it's possible. Just trying to toss out some hope.
In the end, assuming your levels are as good as they can be, if you aren't losing weight, you have to eat less, move more or both. Heck, even if your levels aren't where they should be, it's still the only way to lose, lol, but it's very hard to starve and lead an active life, so keeping those appointments at the endo is a good idea.
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CharCharJo wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Start using a food scale. The average banana is 130 calories, you have 105. One doesn't not lose weight by eating too little.
So would you suggest weighing my banana instead of using the average of a medium sized banana?
Yes, weigh all your solid foods.
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CharCharJo wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »This might be a bit of a rant, i'm starting to get really worried so i'm trying to get through to see a dietitian, however in the meantime - i'd really love your opinions.
As my bio says, i'm not a big foody at all, i'm a serial snacker, and that doesn't bother me as all i seem to snack on is fruit, however, since logging everything, i noticed that something isn't right and i cant fix it! I am spot on, on my nutritional values so i know i'm getting everything i need, however my calories are really really low, I never seem to go above 800 calories no matter what, but like i said, my nutritional values and macros are really good!
The thing that worried me most is, i weighed and measured myself last night and i've put on weight and inches around my bum thighs and waist.
I do have a thyroid problem, i'm due for a check up this month so my weight gain COULD have something to do with that, however if it isn't, is my weight gain because my body isn't consuming enough calories?
If it looks like your gaining weight, then maybe you have to consider it to be water.
Salt holds on to water
Carbs holds on to water.
Maybe you may want to consider to eat more potassium
Question - I was looking at your Food Journal, for just the last 3 days or so and I didn't see Fish, or Turkey, or chicken, is there a reason?
I'm a vegetarian :')CharCharJo wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »This might be a bit of a rant, i'm starting to get really worried so i'm trying to get through to see a dietitian, however in the meantime - i'd really love your opinions.
As my bio says, i'm not a big foody at all, i'm a serial snacker, and that doesn't bother me as all i seem to snack on is fruit, however, since logging everything, i noticed that something isn't right and i cant fix it! I am spot on, on my nutritional values so i know i'm getting everything i need, however my calories are really really low, I never seem to go above 800 calories no matter what, but like i said, my nutritional values and macros are really good!
The thing that worried me most is, i weighed and measured myself last night and i've put on weight and inches around my bum thighs and waist.
I do have a thyroid problem, i'm due for a check up this month so my weight gain COULD have something to do with that, however if it isn't, is my weight gain because my body isn't consuming enough calories?
If it looks like your gaining weight, then maybe you have to consider it to be water.
Salt holds on to water
Carbs holds on to water.
Maybe you may want to consider to eat more potassium
Question - I was looking at your Food Journal, for just the last 3 days or so and I didn't see Fish, or Turkey, or chicken, is there a reason?
I'm a vegetarian :')
in the loosest term possible :')
I support vegetarians and vegans, and the following is meant to be constructive, not criticism.
I don't see a lot of vegetables or legumes in your diary, but I do see McDonald's Double Cheeseburgers. I'm not surprised, given that you had 66 grams of carbs to 8 grams of protein before having that cheeseburger last Friday and 77 carbs to 10 grams of protein before you had that cheeseburger yesterday. You should find it easier to be a vegetarian if you give your body more protein.
I see you've eaten eggs - if eggs work with your food ethics, eat more of them.
Here are non-meat sources of protein, plus recipe suggestions: http://greatist.com/health/complete-vegetarian-proteins
I'm an omnivore, but love rice & beans.0 -
That's a very helpful list for those transitioning to vegetarianism and for omnivores who don't happen to love meat!kshama2001 wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »This might be a bit of a rant, i'm starting to get really worried so i'm trying to get through to see a dietitian, however in the meantime - i'd really love your opinions.
As my bio says, i'm not a big foody at all, i'm a serial snacker, and that doesn't bother me as all i seem to snack on is fruit, however, since logging everything, i noticed that something isn't right and i cant fix it! I am spot on, on my nutritional values so i know i'm getting everything i need, however my calories are really really low, I never seem to go above 800 calories no matter what, but like i said, my nutritional values and macros are really good!
The thing that worried me most is, i weighed and measured myself last night and i've put on weight and inches around my bum thighs and waist.
I do have a thyroid problem, i'm due for a check up this month so my weight gain COULD have something to do with that, however if it isn't, is my weight gain because my body isn't consuming enough calories?
If it looks like your gaining weight, then maybe you have to consider it to be water.
Salt holds on to water
Carbs holds on to water.
Maybe you may want to consider to eat more potassium
Question - I was looking at your Food Journal, for just the last 3 days or so and I didn't see Fish, or Turkey, or chicken, is there a reason?
I'm a vegetarian :')CharCharJo wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »This might be a bit of a rant, i'm starting to get really worried so i'm trying to get through to see a dietitian, however in the meantime - i'd really love your opinions.
As my bio says, i'm not a big foody at all, i'm a serial snacker, and that doesn't bother me as all i seem to snack on is fruit, however, since logging everything, i noticed that something isn't right and i cant fix it! I am spot on, on my nutritional values so i know i'm getting everything i need, however my calories are really really low, I never seem to go above 800 calories no matter what, but like i said, my nutritional values and macros are really good!
The thing that worried me most is, i weighed and measured myself last night and i've put on weight and inches around my bum thighs and waist.
I do have a thyroid problem, i'm due for a check up this month so my weight gain COULD have something to do with that, however if it isn't, is my weight gain because my body isn't consuming enough calories?
If it looks like your gaining weight, then maybe you have to consider it to be water.
Salt holds on to water
Carbs holds on to water.
Maybe you may want to consider to eat more potassium
Question - I was looking at your Food Journal, for just the last 3 days or so and I didn't see Fish, or Turkey, or chicken, is there a reason?
I'm a vegetarian :')
in the loosest term possible :')
I support vegetarians and vegans, and the following is meant to be constructive, not criticism.
I don't see a lot of vegetables or legumes in your diary, but I do see McDonald's Double Cheeseburgers. I'm not surprised, given that you had 66 grams of carbs to 8 grams of protein before having that cheeseburger last Friday and 77 carbs to 10 grams of protein before you had that cheeseburger yesterday. You should find it easier to be a vegetarian if you give your body more protein.
I see you've eaten eggs - if eggs work with your food ethics, eat more of them.
Here are non-meat sources of protein, plus recipe suggestions: http://greatist.com/health/complete-vegetarian-proteins
I'm an omnivore, but love rice & beans.
Thanks for sharing that!
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CharCharJo wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Start using a food scale. The average banana is 130 calories, you have 105. One doesn't not lose weight by eating too little.
So would you suggest weighing my banana instead of using the average of a medium sized banana?
Absolutely. Most of the time people get stuck, it's inaccuracies in logging. When you have a small deficit, or not much to lose, it becomes more critical to be accurate, as all the "little" things add up.0 -
CharCharJo wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »CharCharJo wrote: »This might be a bit of a rant, i'm starting to get really worried so i'm trying to get through to see a dietitian, however in the meantime - i'd really love your opinions.
As my bio says, i'm not a big foody at all, i'm a serial snacker, and that doesn't bother me as all i seem to snack on is fruit, however, since logging everything, i noticed that something isn't right and i cant fix it! I am spot on, on my nutritional values so i know i'm getting everything i need, however my calories are really really low, I never seem to go above 800 calories no matter what, but like i said, my nutritional values and macros are really good!
The thing that worried me most is, i weighed and measured myself last night and i've put on weight and inches around my bum thighs and waist.
I do have a thyroid problem, i'm due for a check up this month so my weight gain COULD have something to do with that, however if it isn't, is my weight gain because my body isn't consuming enough calories?
If it looks like your gaining weight, then maybe you have to consider it to be water.
Salt holds on to water
Carbs holds on to water.
Maybe you may want to consider to eat more potassium
Question - I was looking at your Food Journal, for just the last 3 days or so and I didn't see Fish, or Turkey, or chicken, is there a reason?
I'm a vegetarian :')
in the loosest term possible :')
While i respect alternate ways of eating, if you eat meat, even occasionally, then it might not be wise to label yourself a vegetarian. It mighy just be better to say that your prefer more vegetarian food options and rarely eat meat. But there are tons of quality options for protein as a vegetarian such as eggs, tofu, beans, soy beans, lentils and more. One thing to make sure is eating the right combination of foods to get all required proteins. And it might be wise to get blood work a bit more frequently to ensure iron and b12 levels of in a good range.
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Definitely weigh every single thing. It will become second nature after a while.
I have a banana everyday, and they can range from 95 calories up to 150 cals. It doesn't sound like much, but if you're guestimating a banana here, olive oil there, a piece or 2 of bread etc etc, put them all together every week and they do add up.0 -
I'm not personally convinced with the focus on weighing things like fruit when you don't measure the sugar (calorie) content which is probably at least as variable as the fruit size.0
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