Article from The Independent "maintaining a healthy body weight is now more challenging than ever"
skysiebaby
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Their science page just posted this. Halfway through the article Dr Kuk states "weight management is actually much more complex than just 'energy in' versus 'energy out'. Discuss.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/it-s-a-lot-harder-to-lose-weight-and-not-for-the-reasons-you-think-a6677986.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/it-s-a-lot-harder-to-lose-weight-and-not-for-the-reasons-you-think-a6677986.html
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Here we go again...
*Grabs popcorn, settles in for the show.*0 -
I don't care if it's harder than ever. Not sure that it is, but if so, so be it.
It's hard. I'll do it, anyway.0 -
As a disclaimer, I am firmly in the CICO camp. But thought the article was worth sharing.0
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If you can find a problem with her whole theory before even finishing the article, you know it's not good science.
They're only taking into account eating and exercise, not calorie burns caused by general lifestyle. More people are spending more time sitting instead of walking around, less physical jobs and more desktop jobs, the result being lower calorie burn per day even at the same diet intake and extra exercise.
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Weight loss is hard. Got it.0
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stevencloser wrote: »If you can find a problem with her whole theory before even finishing the article, you know it's not good science.
They're only taking into account eating and exercise, not calorie burns caused by general lifestyle. More people are spending more time sitting instead of walking around, less physical jobs and more desktop jobs, the result being lower calorie burn per day even at the same diet intake and extra exercise.
That was my take on it too.0 -
They didn't look at what we are eating now. I would bet money it has changed a fair bit. I'll bring in the "a calorie is not always a calorie" argument. Perhaps what we eat now makes losing weight somewhat harder. A contributing factor.
Grab your popcorn.0 -
I'm not reading it because I've never personally found it easier which puts me in the mindset that if I can do it anybody could do it0
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This is the same study we discussed here, if you are interested: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10261711/easier-to-lose-in-the-80s/p1
It was a fun conversation, but I love anything that allows me to reflect on the '80s.0 -
They didn't look at what we are eating now. I would bet money it has changed a fair bit. I'll bring in the "a calorie is not always a calorie" argument. Perhaps what we eat now makes losing weight somewhat harder. A contributing factor.
Grab your popcorn.
Y u do dis?
I make it short.
Unless somehow the food you're eating now somehow reduces your TDEE considerably (by multiple hundred calories a day), or the food you had 30 years ago was somehow harder to digest and not as well absorbed by your body to make up for several hundred calories a day, nah, it's not a contributing factor.0 -
But couldn't the foods we eat affect hormones, organelles and organs beyond what would normally be expected. I know energy doesn't disapear or magically get burned up, but my guess is that some foods will raise our "calories out" making it easier to lose weight, and some foods will lower TDEE in some.
In 1988, I would guess we ate fewer highly processed foods and pseudo foods. I would estimate we consumed less soda, and snack bars (protein bars weren't really around yet). I would also guess that we eat out more now. In the late 80's we rarely ate out and had fast food as a treat maybe once per month, laregly because the fast food places were not as easy to access.
I don't think it is far fetched to think the food we eat could affect our health which would affect our weight.0 -
Me, too.lemurcat12 wrote: »This is the same study we discussed here, if you are interested: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10261711/easier-to-lose-in-the-80s/p1
It was a fun conversation, but I love anything that allows me to reflect on the '80s.
A friend and I are dressing up as 80s women for Halloween. Got my blue and pink eye shadow and hair rollers. I'm even waiting to get my hair cut so that I can roll it and style it BIG. Practicing rolling my jeans...I used to do that well. It's harder now, lol. Ordered my big, poofy socks.
Even lazy people were more active in the 80s. Want to get the money from your employer? Take that check to the bank. Need your pictures developed? Off to the Fotomat. Need new pots and pans? Need anything? Go to the store. Want to read about something? Go to the library.
Walk, stand, talk to clerks/salespeople. Heck, until we got cable, we had to get up, change the channel and fiddle with the antenna to get the picture to come in just to watch TV.
Now, we order online. I recently misplaced my scissors and the idea of going to a store didn't even enter my mind. I'd ordered new ones from amazon before I even realized I could've bought some at the grocery store or Wal-Mart.
We order online, we read online. We have remote controls. The phone is not something you get up to answer. Even music is easily purchased and downloaded. No setting up the tape recorder or going to the store and putting the record on the player.
The world is set up now so that, assuming you had enough money, you'd never have to leave your house. If you pay others to do the yard work and cleaning, you practically don't have to get off the couch.
Everything is different now. You really cannot compare now to then. It's fun to think back, though.
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But couldn't the foods we eat affect hormones, organelles and organs beyond what would normally be expected. I know energy doesn't disapear or magically get burned up, but my guess is that some foods will raise our "calories out" making it easier to lose weight, and some foods will lower TDEE in some.
In 1988, I would guess we ate fewer highly processed foods and pseudo foods. I would estimate we consumed less soda, and snack bars (protein bars weren't really around yet). I would also guess that we eat out more now. In the late 80's we rarely ate out and had fast food as a treat maybe once per month, laregly because the fast food places were not as easy to access.
I don't think it is far fetched to think the food we eat could affect our health which would affect our weight.
I'm not old enough to tell you your assertions about the 80s and earlier are wrong, but from what I heard others say, highly processed foods might have been used even more than now.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »But couldn't the foods we eat affect hormones, organelles and organs beyond what would normally be expected. I know energy doesn't disapear or magically get burned up, but my guess is that some foods will raise our "calories out" making it easier to lose weight, and some foods will lower TDEE in some.
In 1988, I would guess we ate fewer highly processed foods and pseudo foods. I would estimate we consumed less soda, and snack bars (protein bars weren't really around yet). I would also guess that we eat out more now. In the late 80's we rarely ate out and had fast food as a treat maybe once per month, laregly because the fast food places were not as easy to access.
I don't think it is far fetched to think the food we eat could affect our health which would affect our weight.
I'm not old enough to tell you your assertions about the 80s and earlier are wrong, but from what I heard others say, highly processed foods might have been used even more than now.
I don't think so.... I could be wrong though.
The frozen dinner section of the grocery was small. The cereal section was not a full aisle. Yes, my family did baking with white, bleached flour, but they still do for fine baking.
Margarine is one glaring stand out. Butter was the devil back then. Margarine was going to save us. And the trans fats in peanut butter made it so it would (seemingly) never go bad.0 -
A friend and I are dressing up as 80s women for Halloween. Got my blue and pink eye shadow and hair rollers. I'm even waiting to get my hair cut so that I can roll it and style it BIG. Practicing rolling my jeans...I used to do that well. It's harder now, lol. Ordered my big, poofy socks.
That's fun. I have a few items I saved from high school that would make for a great 80s costume. The hair would be a problem for me, though -- I have the straightest hair ever, and in the 80s was constantly frustrated with it. I was so happy once I was in college and somehow flat, straight hair was acceptable again. I never should have tried to do the layered and curled thing, ugh! the memories. ;-)0 -
But couldn't the cosmic rays from a distant star be slowly changing our bodies?But couldn't the foods we eat affect hormones, organelles and organs beyond what would normally be expected. I know energy doesn't disapear or magically get burned up, but my guess is that some foods will raise our "calories out" making it easier to lose weight, and some foods will lower TDEE in some.
In 1988, I would guess we ate fewer highly processed foods and pseudo foods. I would estimate we consumed less soda, and snack bars (protein bars weren't really around yet). I would also guess that we eat out more now. In the late 80's we rarely ate out and had fast food as a treat maybe once per month, laregly because the fast food places were not as easy to access.
I don't think it is far fetched to think the food we eat could affect our health which would affect our weight.
This is based on self-reported data. You don't have to look any further to see the problem.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
But couldn't the cosmic rays from a distant star be slowly changing our bodies?But couldn't the foods we eat affect hormones, organelles and organs beyond what would normally be expected. I know energy doesn't disapear or magically get burned up, but my guess is that some foods will raise our "calories out" making it easier to lose weight, and some foods will lower TDEE in some.
In 1988, I would guess we ate fewer highly processed foods and pseudo foods. I would estimate we consumed less soda, and snack bars (protein bars weren't really around yet). I would also guess that we eat out more now. In the late 80's we rarely ate out and had fast food as a treat maybe once per month, laregly because the fast food places were not as easy to access.
I don't think it is far fetched to think the food we eat could affect our health which would affect our weight.
This is based on self-reported data. You don't have to look any further to see the problem.
Okay.... Haha? Technically those cosmic rays could affect our bodies. Gamma rays aren't great for the health...
When it comes to diet studies, it seems to usually be self reported. At least that is consistant. I wouldn't disregard all of it just because it was self reported. Sure it isn't 100% accurate, bu it gives one an idea of what was (is) going on.0 -
You're begging the question. It only gives you an idea what's going on if you presume the information is sufficiently accurate.DeguelloTex wrote: »
But couldn't the cosmic rays from a distant star be slowly changing our bodies?But couldn't the foods we eat affect hormones, organelles and organs beyond what would normally be expected. I know energy doesn't disapear or magically get burned up, but my guess is that some foods will raise our "calories out" making it easier to lose weight, and some foods will lower TDEE in some.
In 1988, I would guess we ate fewer highly processed foods and pseudo foods. I would estimate we consumed less soda, and snack bars (protein bars weren't really around yet). I would also guess that we eat out more now. In the late 80's we rarely ate out and had fast food as a treat maybe once per month, laregly because the fast food places were not as easy to access.
I don't think it is far fetched to think the food we eat could affect our health which would affect our weight.
This is based on self-reported data. You don't have to look any further to see the problem.
Okay.... Haha? Technically those cosmic rays could affect our bodies. Gamma rays aren't great for the health...
When it comes to diet studies, it seems to usually be self reported. At least that is consistant. I wouldn't disregard all of it just because it was self reported. Sure it isn't 100% accurate, bu it gives one an idea of what was (is) going on.
Given that it's known that people are often poor estimators and that portions are often larger now, it's not exactly man bites dog that self-reported calorie information would get increasingly poor.
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Possibly. Or not. There's no way to know, is there?0
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That's exactly my point. There's no way to know. I'm glad we reached agreement.0
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So... disregard all self reported data, or take that data with a grain of salt?0
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Don't look for post hoc rationalizations that might, in some hypothetical scenarios, explain a phenomenon that you don't even know actually exists.0
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So that would be disregard the data then?0
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As a scientific basis for anything, yeah, disregard it. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
As something to post about on a weight loss board, sure, go for it.0 -
Okie dokie.0
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probability of weight loss success is not high "Probability of an Obese Person Attaining Normal Body
Weight: Cohort Study Using Electronic Health Records" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/261809800 -
probability of weight loss success is not high "Probability of an Obese Person Attaining Normal Body
Weight: Cohort Study Using Electronic Health Records" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26180980
Yikes.0 -
How many of the people in that "study" were actually trying to lose weight?
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DeguelloTex wrote: »How many of the people in that "study" were actually trying to lose weight?
Most, according to other research referenced - "intentionality is high".
" At least 50% of patients who achieved 5% weight loss were shown to have regained this weight within 2 years."0 -
Intentionality. Yeah. I wonder if there's any difference between intending to lose weight and actually trying to lose weight. I mean, I intend to repaint my office.
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