Keto diet!

cbelc2

The gallbladder does secrete some bile. The majority is made in the liver and stored in the gallbladder, where fat is emulsified among other functions. Rapid weight loss and a very high fat diet are hard on it.

umayster

cbelc2 wrote: »

Ok. I looked on WebMd, one of my trusted sources. A Ketogenic diet can become dangerous if ketones build up. It can lead to dehydration and change the chemical composition of the blood. I still say your doctor should be involved.

From WebMD -
Low-Carb and Ketogenic Diets
Ketosis is a popular weight loss strategy. Low-carb eating plans include the first part of the Atkins diet and the Paleo diet, which stress proteins for fueling your body. In addition to helping your burn body fat, ketosis can make you feel less hungry. It also helps you maintain muscles.

For healthy people who don't have diabetes and aren't pregnant, ketosis usually kicks in after 3 or 4 days of eating less than 50 grams of carbohydrates per day. That's about 3 slices of bread, a cup of low-fat fruit yogurt, or two small bananas. You can start ketosis by fasting, too.

Doctors may put children who have epilepsy on a ketogenic diet, a special high-fat, very low-carb and protein plan, because it might help prevent seizures. Adults with epilepsy sometimes eat modified Atkins diets.

Some research suggests that ketogenic diets can help lower your risk of heart disease. Other studies show specific very-low-carb diets help people with metabolic syndrome, insulin resistance, and type 2 diabetes. Researchers are also studying the effects of these diets on acne, cancer, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), and nervous system diseases like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and Lou Gehrig's disease.

Also -

People with diabetes can get ketoacidosis, or diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA), when they don't take enough insulin. They can also get DKA when they're sick or injured, or they don't get enough fluids and become dehydrated.

Some people without diabetes can get ketoacidosis, too. It's caused by alcoholism, starvation, or an overactive thyroid. A healthy low-carb diet shouldn't cause a problem.


http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/type-1-diabetes-guide/what-is-ketosis?page=1

I thought that your warnings needed context.

nvmomketo

cbelc2 wrote: »

My very first dialysis patient was born with genetically small kidneys. They did fine until she went on a high protein very low carb diet to lose weight. Excess must be excreted through the kidneys. The molecules are very large. Please don't take my word for it. Ask your trusted doctor.

As another said, a ketogenic diet is not usually high protein, it is usually moderate to slightly low protein. I am on a ketogenic diet and my protein is usually close to 20%.

cbelc2 wrote: »

Purposely putting the body into ketoacidosis without being under a doctor's care may not be a healthy solution to weight management. Remember that your poor gall bladder has to handle all that extra fat, too. Why not just balance your diet, eat healthy whole foods, and exercise? ? It's working for me. I lost 4 lbs last week by sticking with my MFP nutrition goals. They are quite balanced.

A ketogenic diet is NOT ketoacidosis. That is a life threatening condition that afflicts diabetics who cannot make their own insulin and are not taking enough. A diabetic can safely live in a state of mild ketosis - I am a prediabetic who has mostly been in ketosis for half of a year.

Gall bladders are deigned to aid in fat digestion. Unless a gall bladder is unhealthy from another condition, most people will have no problem eating a diet high in healthy fats.

Yes, a ketogenic diet is not needed by most for healthy weight loss. Congrats on losing using moderation. I have lost 40lbs on a ketogenic diet in under 6 months, and am well into my healthy BMI range. I could not do it with a "balanced" diet. It works well for some, and can be a good way to improve health for those like me.

_Terrapin_

yarwell wrote: »

cbelc2 wrote: »

One should work with a doctor for keto. It can be great for quick weight loss, but it has been known to cause kidney damage in some folks.

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TehLaughingDog

Hey everyone! I was actually just about to post up a question about ketosis then saw this thread! I've been wanting to jump in on the keto diet and have generally been eating low carb for a while but not into ketosis since I am insulin resistant from PCOS (so low carb has been recommended by my doctor) and also always seem to get bloated after eating carbohydrates. I always am hesitant though to put my carb percentages so low (whats it, like 5% for ketosis) since I get concerned about not eating enough fruits/veggies/nuts/etc and cholesterol levels getting high. I've heard that when figuring out carbs for ketosis you calculate your true carbohydrate percentages by removing your fiber. Also I get concerned about mental prowess with extremely low carb because I am in college as well.

Can anyone elaborate on this any more for me? And could anyone dispel my concerns about dropping carbohydrate percentages so low so I can feel more informed about if I want to jump into ketosis?

cassandranken

People with diabetes can get ketoacidosis, or diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA), when they don't take enough insulin. They can also get DKA when they're sick or injured, or they don't get enough fluids and become dehydrated.

Some people without diabetes can get ketoacidosis, too. It's caused by alcoholism, starvation, or an overactive thyroid. A healthy low-carb diet shouldn't cause a problem.


http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/type-1-diabetes-guide/what-is-ketosis?page=1

I thought that your warnings needed context.

Now this I didn't know. Thanks for sharing. Would it be as easy as keeping a glucose monitor around if one with these issues continued a keto lifestyle, I wonder?I only ask for sake of conversation. You never know when it'll come up haha. Plus you know some people won't go to the doctor, even if they knowingly have a dangerous condition to begin with.

Pollywog_la

I don't know how long one has to wait until all these bad effects from eating keto happen.
I have been low carb/keto for over 3 years now. All my health markers (weight, blood glucose, blood pressure, lipids) have improved.
I assume any diet can be bad for some people with an unknown predisposition, but it is not a real issue for the vast majority of people. Certainly learn about the signs if it makes you feel safer.
I am not worried for myself.

umayster

cassandranken wrote: »

People with diabetes can get ketoacidosis, or diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA), when they don't take enough insulin. They can also get DKA when they're sick or injured, or they don't get enough fluids and become dehydrated.

Some people without diabetes can get ketoacidosis, too. It's caused by alcoholism, starvation, or an overactive thyroid. A healthy low-carb diet shouldn't cause a problem.


http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/type-1-diabetes-guide/what-is-ketosis?page=1

I thought that your warnings needed context.

Now this I didn't know. Thanks for sharing. Would it be as easy as keeping a glucose monitor around if one with these issues continued a keto lifestyle, I wonder?I only ask for sake of conversation. You never know when it'll come up haha. Plus you know some people won't go to the doctor, even if they knowingly have a dangerous condition to begin with.

Are you diabetic, starving or an alcoholic? I've only read about out of control T1's and ketoacidosis, not anyone with controlled diabetes. The starving & alcoholic risk factor was news to me.

Ketoacidosis needs both extremely high glucose and ketones at the same time. Your body has built in methods to avoid ketoacidosis occuring unless you have some other pretty severe health issues. It isn't really relevant to ketogenic dieting.

cassandranken

umayster wrote: »

cassandranken wrote: »

People with diabetes can get ketoacidosis, or diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA), when they don't take enough insulin. They can also get DKA when they're sick or injured, or they don't get enough fluids and become dehydrated.

Some people without diabetes can get ketoacidosis, too. It's caused by alcoholism, starvation, or an overactive thyroid. A healthy low-carb diet shouldn't cause a problem.


http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/type-1-diabetes-guide/what-is-ketosis?page=1

I thought that your warnings needed context.

Now this I didn't know. Thanks for sharing. Would it be as easy as keeping a glucose monitor around if one with these issues continued a keto lifestyle, I wonder?I only ask for sake of conversation. You never know when it'll come up haha. Plus you know some people won't go to the doctor, even if they knowingly have a dangerous condition to begin with.

Are you diabetic, starving or an alcoholic? I've only read about out of control T1's and ketoacidosis, not anyone with controlled diabetes. The starving & alcoholic risk factor was news to me.

Ketoacidosis needs both extremely high glucose and ketones at the same time. Your body has built in methods to avoid ketoacidosis occuring unless you have some other pretty severe health issues. It isn't really relevant to ketogenic dieting.

No, was just interested in learning more about it. The starving and alcoholic risk factor was also news to me. We all meet different people in the weight loss world, so it only stands to reason that we'll eventually meet someone with an ED or an alcoholic, and maybe now armed with this knowledge we can help educate them.

nvmomketo

TehLaughingDog wrote: »

Hey everyone! I was actually just about to post up a question about ketosis then saw this thread! I've been wanting to jump in on the keto diet and have generally been eating low carb for a while but not into ketosis since I am insulin resistant from PCOS (so low carb has been recommended by my doctor) and also always seem to get bloated after eating carbohydrates. I always am hesitant though to put my carb percentages so low (whats it, like 5% for ketosis) since I get concerned about not eating enough fruits/veggies/nuts/etc and cholesterol levels getting high. I've heard that when figuring out carbs for ketosis you calculate your true carbohydrate percentages by removing your fiber. Also I get concerned about mental prowess with extremely low carb because I am in college as well.

Can anyone elaborate on this any more for me? And could anyone dispel my concerns about dropping carbohydrate percentages so low so I can feel more informed about if I want to jump into ketosis?

Yes, those in ketosis usually keep carbs around 5%. That can still be a few helpings of veggies per day, but does not include much fruit. Fruit has a higher sugar content so one serving of fruit will add a large amount of sugars to your day, relatively speaking. Nuts, especially higher at nuts, fit very well into a LCHF.

Cholesterol is usually improved on a ketogenic diet. HDL goes up, triglycerides go down, and LDL stays about the same but usually changes to the large, fluffy pattern a type. I personally don't put much stock in cholesterol though, it's link to CAD is pretty weak.

Some people count carbs after fibre is subtracted but I don't. It is just simpler. Fibre becomes a nonissue for most eating a ketogenic diet because increased fats aids in elimination.

I found my cognitive skills increased by a shocking amount when i ate a ketogenic dietI was more energetic, could concentrate better, and slept better. It was quite an amazing change that even my husband noticed. It may not occur in the first few days or weeks when you are switching to ketosis, you could end up tired and cranky then. If you up your salt to 3000-5000 mg per day, it will help you feel better faster.

Good luck!

cbelc2

I really do think that individuals should at least let the primary care doctor know about their weight management plans. Personally, I told my doctor that I do better and feel better with 100-130 grams of healthy carb per day. So my diet is not 'balanced' per se. She is just happy that I eat healthy and am losing weight. MFP really is my pal!

yarwell

cbelc2 wrote: »

I really do think that individuals should at least let the primary care doctor know about their weight management plans.

I do not raise it personally, to avoid encountering a doctor who makes the same errors as you and goes off on one about an irrelevant condition like DKA. Once I said I was losing weight and that was put down as a symptom !

cbelc2

I think that's where having the right doctor comes in. I've had the same one for more than 20 years and can discuss anything with her. I see your point with a keto diet. Still, some labwork wouldn't hurt.

auddii

cbelc2 wrote: »

I really do think that individuals should at least let the primary care doctor know about their weight management plans. Personally, I told my doctor that I do better and feel better with 100-130 grams of healthy carb per day. So my diet is not 'balanced' per se. She is just happy that I eat healthy and am losing weight. MFP really is my pal!

Most doctors know very little about nutrition. And in general, I'd recommend staying away from WebMD (anytime I search symptoms it tells me I have cancer).

You have raised several concerns for people with underlying diseases (although neither of them had to do with keto). And diabetics know all about keto acidosis and people with kidney problems should know not to eat high protein diets.

Now, I don't follow keto and I'm not a fan of extreme diets (such as severely limiting one macro), but there's no reason to fear monger about it.

cindytw

cbelc2 wrote: »

I think that's where having the right doctor comes in. I've had the same one for more than 20 years and can discuss anything with her. I see your point with a keto diet. Still, some labwork wouldn't hurt.

Nobody needs any different lab work on low carb than any other patient would! It is all the same as a regular annual lab order! Many people do BETTER than on a lot of carbs and low fat on all numbers! Not everyone has a reputable doc of 20 years...Again, you should really look into this stuff.

lodro

cbelc2 wrote: »

Ok. I looked on WebMd, one of my trusted sources. A Ketogenic diet can become dangerous if ketones build up. It can lead to dehydration and change the chemical composition of the blood. I still say your doctor should be involved.

You're talking about ketoacidosis. Do you have a link of where you found your information on WebMd? Because I did a search for "ketogenic diet" and I didn't find it.

patricialcyoung

Hi everyone, I'm new to mfp and to keto. Right now I'm morbidly obese (335lbs/5'8" tall) and hoping to lose weight before undergoing gastric sleeve surgery. Because I'm a vegetarian, I'm having a real hard time finding a good meal plan. I don't eat meat, chicken, pork or fish because I gag if I see them on my plate. Does anybody know of a site where I can get a keto vegetarian meal plan? I really need help... Thank you guys.

yarwell

This might help @patricialcyoung http://lowcarbuk.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/atkins-for-vegetarians.html

Sit down and figure out where you're going to get say 100 grams of protein from with a low carb content as that's the biggest issue I see with vegetarian low carb. Confine your eating to an 8 or 10 hour window too.