Don't always believe what you read on the internet............
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And while I believe it's great to inform people of correct information, I also believe that it doesn't need to be force fed. Regardless if it's correct or not, the person that it's being conveyed to has to be WILLING to accept it. And telling people they are wrong without tact, usually doesn't make them that willing. Tact does make a difference.I don't think there is promoting of fad diets around here, but I do see a lot of coddling of it. If you looked around right now on the front page of this very forum, you'd wouldn't be too hard pressed to find an example.
Realistically any program works if people adhere to the process. It's just that we all know that it's still based on calorie deficit, just with more lights and hoopla.
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blankiefinder wrote: »I don't think there is promoting of fad diets around here, but I do see a lot of coddling of it. If you looked around right now on the front page of this very forum, you'd wouldn't be too hard pressed to find an example.
plexus, green tea, stop eating fruit, sugar addiction, clean 9, juicing...
I can't believe the number of grown men eating like 12-year old girls. 1100-1200 calories/day, while simultaneously claiming that they want to "put on some muscle". Bro, do you even nutrition??? LOL.0 -
And while I believe it's great to inform people of correct information, I also believe that it doesn't need to be force fed. Regardless if it's correct or not, the person that it's being conveyed to has to be WILLING to accept it. And telling people they are wrong without tact, usually doesn't make them that willing. Tact does make a difference.I don't think there is promoting of fad diets around here, but I do see a lot of coddling of it. If you looked around right now on the front page of this very forum, you'd wouldn't be too hard pressed to find an example.
Realistically any program works if people adhere to the process. It's just that we all know that it's still based on calorie deficit, just with more lights and hoopla.
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I needed the tough love to shatter the weight loss myths that I KNEW were true when I came here. There is value in a direct confrontation of things that are not based in fact. People can do it with tact and in my experience, it is still vilified. I am glad I was not coddled and now I see more coddling and white knighting than ever. I am glad I got in and made the changes I needed to before the tides changed.
Amen. I'm glad I have experience in forumland and had a pretty good idea who really has the information
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As an experienced person in the field of weight loss who deals with people face to face on a daily basis, not EVERYONE is so accepting of information however correct it is. As much as I'd like to believe that people can distinguish between what's factual and what's anecdote, that's not the case.
And while I believe it's great to inform people of correct information, I also believe that it doesn't need to be force fed. Regardless if it's correct or not, the person that it's being conveyed to has to be WILLING to accept it. And telling people they are wrong without tact, usually doesn't make them that willing. Tact does make a difference.I don't think there is promoting of fad diets around here, but I do see a lot of coddling of it. If you looked around right now on the front page of this very forum, you'd wouldn't be too hard pressed to find an example.
Realistically any program works if people adhere to the process. It's just that we all know that it's still based on calorie deficit, just with more lights and hoopla.
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I needed the tough love to shatter the weight loss myths that I KNEW were true when I came here. There is value in a direct confrontation of things that are not based in fact. People can do it with tact and in my experience, it is still vilified. I am glad I was not coddled and now I see more coddling and white knighting than ever. I am glad I got in and made the changes I needed to before the tides changed.
Tough love doesn't work for everyone. Just like militant training (shouting or getting in your face) or Zen harmony training works for everyone. Some of my clients love boxing, and some don't regardless of the effectiveness. I have clients that do Nutrisystem, Jenny Craig, etc. and don't chastise them for it. I may mention to them that it's basically a calorie deficit program and if they're willing to learn more about how to do it without them, I'll gladly teach them. But I don't insist they learn it that way and that their way is useless. Some people may have to take more than one shot at this and as much as we'd like them to learn it right the first time, it's still gotta be up to them to accept it.
I can say that it's been a great experience so far learning about how to inspire all types of different people and personalities since not just one way works.
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This discussion is about all the woo and the fact that we shouldn't believe everything we read just because it's 'out there'. It is a discussion that points out that people should do their own research and make up their own minds regarding the science and what works for them.
This thread has been substantially cleaned. In some cases, posts that did not violate guidelines were removed due to the fact that they may have at some point along the way quoted a post that was removed for cause... and I freaking HATE the quote feature, because it makes me want to throw my computer when I have to clean up discussions.
Anyway, I digress. Please folks, keep it on topic.
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Calories are a measurement of energy. Whether it's from a carb or a fat, or a protein the value of energy is still the same. 10 calories of fat equals 10 calories of carbs equals 10 calories of protein.chillaxin69 wrote: »
Everyone burns calories and a calorie deficit is needed to lose body mass. There are no Journals of Medicine or physiology that would argue that.
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Calories are a measurement of energy. Whether it's from a carb or a fat, or a protein the value of energy is still the same. 10 calories of fat equals 10 calories of carbs equals 10 calories of protein.chillaxin69 wrote: »
Everyone burns calories and a calorie deficit is needed to lose body mass. There are no Journals of Medicine or physiology that would argue that.
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Yes, this. Deep down under all that complicated stuff it comes down to the simple fact that every single action takes an energy input as per the laws of physics. We know how much energy food provides and we have fairly good estimates of the amount of energy an average person needs to do the things a person does in a day. Any energy the body needs that is not provided by food has to come from your body's stores, or you'd die.0 -
CICO is immutable, so I'm not sure why it would matter whether a mod talked about it. Makes it seem like that much more important to newcomers to the forums.0
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chillaxin69 wrote: »Yeah, I know, just after being a lurker for a long time, I got a bit of a tingle over seeing a mod talking about the immutability of the CICO paradigm.
ETA - with that said, it's time to get a burger.
Then you might be surprised to know that we all agree. And generally those who do not agree with with it, honestly don't understand the full energy balance equation. In fact, all the blogs that "debunk" CICO tend to always talk about the various effects of digestion between protein, fats and carbs.. while not realize that TEF effects CO.0 -
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Calories are a measurement of energy. Whether it's from a carb or a fat, or a protein the value of energy is still the same. 10 calories of fat equals 10 calories of carbs equals 10 calories of protein.
Everyone burns calories and a calorie deficit is needed to lose body mass. There are no Journals of Medicine or physiology that would argue that.
I don't think anyone argues that definition of calorie. For some people, eating low carbs and more fats may be successful for them if that way of eating leaves them less hungry.Realistically any program works if people adhere to the process. It's just that we all know that it's still based on calorie deficit, just with more lights and hoopla.
Why would people argue with success?
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