On the topic of Sugar....
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Yes, I think telling people vegetables aren't necessary or are bad for you is extremely irresponsible and ridiculous.
Eating under 30 g carbs would cause one to limit vegetables, as was stated in your post, and in all the posts about carbs not being needed and the idiocy about carnivorous diets being healthier. That's simply not true.
It is a fact that there is no minimum level of carbs required for a life. That's proven. Not any people test it though, myself included.
I didn't say a carnivorous diet is healthier.
Saying no carbs are necessary implies they aren't helpful for micros, which is false. A low carb diet can be quite healthy, but the fact is that no traditional long lived cultures follow low carb/keto diets and the keto fanatics here tend to promote silly things like unlimited sat fat, carnivorous diets, and limiting vegetables and fruit.
Fine if they claim that's a fun way to lose weight (although I don't agree), but not cool if they claim that's a healthier diet.
For some, I disagree.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Eating under 30 g carbs would cause one to limit vegetables, as was stated in your post, and in all the posts about carbs not being needed and the idiocy about carnivorous diets being healthier. That's simply not true.
You can eat a pound a day of vegetables for 30g of carbs or less, that's 5 WHO portions. Seems adequate to me.
Depends on the vegetables. For example, a lb of brussels sprouts is over 40 g carbs. Also there's nothing wrong with eating more than 5 servings of veg or some fruit (or whole grains or whatever). It's ridiculous -- as I said before -- to suggest that it's worrisome to eat too many vegetables. I'm sick of the low carb anti veg evangelism here.
Agreed. And don't forget the prejudice against fruit. A bowl of strawberries, cup of blueberries, and a banana would put me at 67 carbs. Add in some veggies, and I'm way over.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »tasharosesmith wrote: »BreakOnThru wrote: »For what it's worth, a friend of mine who was recently on Weight Watchers for the second time told me they now allow as much fruit as a person wants; it doesn't count toward your daily points. So it seems like they've come around to the fact that fruit is good, and as long as you're eating more of it and avoiding brownies and Snickers bars, you're doing all right.
There is nothing wrong with brownies and snicker bars. While fruit has more fiber and different nutrients than the snickers and brownies, none of these foods are good or bad, they are just foods. Everything in moderation.
Except that one snickers bar has 47g of sugar and 488 calories versus an apple with 10g sugar and 52 calories, if you're wanting to lose weight then fresh nutritious fruit wins over chocolate bars every time...but I do agree everything in moderation
Nobody disputes that the candy bar has more sugar than other foods. A person who is moderating does not have to eat the entire candy bar.
I can eat half portions of many things, but a Snickers bar is not one of them.
That's what they make the snack size ones for!
I keep a package of those in my volunteering bag for midnight shifts when I need a pick me up. 1 is around 80 calories, I can make that work! 0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Eating under 30 g carbs would cause one to limit vegetables, as was stated in your post, and in all the posts about carbs not being needed and the idiocy about carnivorous diets being healthier. That's simply not true.
You can eat a pound a day of vegetables for 30g of carbs or less, that's 5 WHO portions. Seems adequate to me.
Depends on the vegetables. For example, a lb of brussels sprouts is over 40 g carbs.
also depends on your measuring system etc, it's 18g of carbohydrate here.
Many low carb people (including me) are eating a lot more vegetables than the typical person. A common question on the Atkins forum for example is "can I do this without eating all this veg"
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Yes, I think telling people vegetables aren't necessary or are bad for you is extremely irresponsible and ridiculous.
Eating under 30 g carbs would cause one to limit vegetables, as was stated in your post, and in all the posts about carbs not being needed and the idiocy about carnivorous diets being healthier. That's simply not true.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Yes, I think telling people vegetables aren't necessary or are bad for you is extremely irresponsible and ridiculous.
Eating under 30 g carbs would cause one to limit vegetables, as was stated in your post, and in all the posts about carbs not being needed and the idiocy about carnivorous diets being healthier. That's simply not true.
It is a fact that there is no minimum level of carbs required for a life. That's proven. Not any people test it though, myself included.
I didn't say a carnivorous diet is healthier.
It is also a fact that there is a minimum amount of micronutrients required by a human body, and unless you are really wailing on organ meats, a diet low in fruits and vegetables is not getting enough of them.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Eating under 30 g carbs would cause one to limit vegetables, as was stated in your post, and in all the posts about carbs not being needed and the idiocy about carnivorous diets being healthier. That's simply not true.
You can eat a pound a day of vegetables for 30g of carbs or less, that's 5 WHO portions. Seems adequate to me.
Depends on the vegetables. For example, a lb of brussels sprouts is over 40 g carbs. Also there's nothing wrong with eating more than 5 servings of veg or some fruit (or whole grains or whatever). It's ridiculous -- as I said before -- to suggest that it's worrisome to eat too many vegetables. I'm sick of the low carb anti veg evangelism here.
As a veg lover, I'm on board with you.
I realize that leafy greens are low in carbs, but a wide variety of veggies needs to be eaten to balance micros, and a lot of higher carb veggie choices are eschewed by those going super low carb. Over time, those vitamin deficiencies will stack up.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »tasharosesmith wrote: »BreakOnThru wrote: »For what it's worth, a friend of mine who was recently on Weight Watchers for the second time told me they now allow as much fruit as a person wants; it doesn't count toward your daily points. So it seems like they've come around to the fact that fruit is good, and as long as you're eating more of it and avoiding brownies and Snickers bars, you're doing all right.
There is nothing wrong with brownies and snicker bars. While fruit has more fiber and different nutrients than the snickers and brownies, none of these foods are good or bad, they are just foods. Everything in moderation.
Except that one snickers bar has 47g of sugar and 488 calories versus an apple with 10g sugar and 52 calories, if you're wanting to lose weight then fresh nutritious fruit wins over chocolate bars every time...but I do agree everything in moderation
Nobody disputes that the candy bar has more sugar than other foods. A person who is moderating does not have to eat the entire candy bar.
I can eat half portions of many things, but a Snickers bar is not one of them.
Buy the fun size! They're portion controlled, and even if you eat 2, it's only 160 calories.0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »tasharosesmith wrote: »BreakOnThru wrote: »For what it's worth, a friend of mine who was recently on Weight Watchers for the second time told me they now allow as much fruit as a person wants; it doesn't count toward your daily points. So it seems like they've come around to the fact that fruit is good, and as long as you're eating more of it and avoiding brownies and Snickers bars, you're doing all right.
There is nothing wrong with brownies and snicker bars. While fruit has more fiber and different nutrients than the snickers and brownies, none of these foods are good or bad, they are just foods. Everything in moderation.
Except that one snickers bar has 47g of sugar and 488 calories versus an apple with 10g sugar and 52 calories, if you're wanting to lose weight then fresh nutritious fruit wins over chocolate bars every time...but I do agree everything in moderation
Nobody disputes that the candy bar has more sugar than other foods. A person who is moderating does not have to eat the entire candy bar.
I can eat half portions of many things, but a Snickers bar is not one of them.
Buy the fun size! They're portion controlled, and even if you eat 2, it's only 160 calories.
My current method is to get one from the candy jar when I buy something from my garden center
That way there's no open bag calling me.0 -
Yes, sugar is sugar. Whole grains are sugar. Bad and bad. Fruit contain fructose which is even worse. One piece of fruit a day ok, just don't overdue.0
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