Science: Cell: Nutrition is personal. Identical foods produce “healthy” and “unhealthy” responses
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Have you asked your doctor if there is reason for that?
I didn't attribute anything to anything. I just wonder and hope.EvgeniZyntx wrote: »It makes total sense to me! Different people respond differently to meds, so why not food?
I really hope that one day they say, "Hey, it turns out that different people do better with different foods and everyone doesn't need all that protein, after all!"
I just cannot believe that I really need .8g/kg. If I needed it, why would I have to struggle so hard to get it? Wouldn't I want to eat that stuff?
It seems to me that a person should be able to eat the food they like and not always and forever have to be eating protein that they seriously don't want to eat. If I needed it, why would I be like, "God, I'm so sick of protein foods!"
It is probably wishful thinking, but I really think that if you actually need something, you wouldn't have to force yourself to eat it. You'd want it.
Wishful magical thinking.
According to your logic there would be no nutritional deficiencies in America. People would just eat what they need.
The study doesn't say "anything goes" just "there is a lot of variability".
By the way - you are probably eating more protein than you think. Getting 50g of protein a day is pretty easy (DRI), logging it properly isn't. A glass of milk, an egg, a yoghurt, half a cup of lentils. Done. Even easier if you include meat or fish in your diet.
It's not magical thinking. That term gets used a lot around here and is usually used incorrectly, as you just used it. That's a real thing, "magical thinking" - it has a real definition. It's not just a ridiculous, made-up insult like "special snowflake" that everyone gets to define for themselves. I it gets used that way a lot, but it's being used incorrectly.
I'm not getting more protein than I think. I'm not sure what you find difficult about logging (or logging protein), but it's not that big a deal for me. I just don't eat a lot of protein-containing foods. Some (like most dairy) don't agree with me and others (like meat) I just don't want. There are some I like, but if I eat enough of them to hit the protein goal, I get sick of them really fast.
I don't eat as much as they advise us to eat. Almost every day, I'm under that .8g/kg.
It is good that you can see the future of science, what they will and will not discover. Since I can't, I will continue to hope (probably in vain) that they'll find out that different people have different requirements where food is concerned. And, again, hoping for something to happen when you know it's unlikely to happen isn't magical thinking.
Magical thinking is thought that has a fundamental attribution error. Attributing a lack of interest in protein to being caused by a lack of need for protein, rather than a dietary preference, is an attribution error. Protein actually seems to cause satiety to a surprisingly fixed degree in ad libium eating humans - I recall some research that the amount of protein in most traditional diets in healthy weight populations is rather fixed.
http://www.science20.com/deconstructing_obesity/the_protein_leverage_hypothesis-156539While self-regulating human populations across the world and across several decades can be shown to eat a wide range of fat and carbohydrate calories, the amount of protein in the diet is nearly always 15% of the total.
Even if I did, though, that would just be wrong and not actually "magical thinking." It's a little more than misattribution.
It's very satisfying, hunger-wise. That is one of my problems with meat. More than 75g or so...it sits in my stomach like a rock. Don't love that feeling. Also...just don't want to eat much meat. I don't dislike the taste so much. I just don't want it.
Most Americans get more than enough protein. Not me, but most of us.
Very cute, resorting to personal insults.
How very scientific and impressive...and so witty and original. You should be very proud of yourself. Clever, clever man.
That isn't a personal insult. When I read your reply about how your body reacts to meat, I wondered if there is a medical reason for it. No food is supposed to make us feel bad. People are generally intolerant of certain groups of foods (ex. dairy, nuts, soy), but there are many types of meat. So, have you thought of bringing this up to your doctor? I certainly would.0 -
Have you asked your doctor if there is reason for that?
I didn't attribute anything to anything. I just wonder and hope.EvgeniZyntx wrote: »It makes total sense to me! Different people respond differently to meds, so why not food?
I really hope that one day they say, "Hey, it turns out that different people do better with different foods and everyone doesn't need all that protein, after all!"
I just cannot believe that I really need .8g/kg. If I needed it, why would I have to struggle so hard to get it? Wouldn't I want to eat that stuff?
It seems to me that a person should be able to eat the food they like and not always and forever have to be eating protein that they seriously don't want to eat. If I needed it, why would I be like, "God, I'm so sick of protein foods!"
It is probably wishful thinking, but I really think that if you actually need something, you wouldn't have to force yourself to eat it. You'd want it.
Wishful magical thinking.
According to your logic there would be no nutritional deficiencies in America. People would just eat what they need.
The study doesn't say "anything goes" just "there is a lot of variability".
By the way - you are probably eating more protein than you think. Getting 50g of protein a day is pretty easy (DRI), logging it properly isn't. A glass of milk, an egg, a yoghurt, half a cup of lentils. Done. Even easier if you include meat or fish in your diet.
It's not magical thinking. That term gets used a lot around here and is usually used incorrectly, as you just used it. That's a real thing, "magical thinking" - it has a real definition. It's not just a ridiculous, made-up insult like "special snowflake" that everyone gets to define for themselves. I it gets used that way a lot, but it's being used incorrectly.
I'm not getting more protein than I think. I'm not sure what you find difficult about logging (or logging protein), but it's not that big a deal for me. I just don't eat a lot of protein-containing foods. Some (like most dairy) don't agree with me and others (like meat) I just don't want. There are some I like, but if I eat enough of them to hit the protein goal, I get sick of them really fast.
I don't eat as much as they advise us to eat. Almost every day, I'm under that .8g/kg.
It is good that you can see the future of science, what they will and will not discover. Since I can't, I will continue to hope (probably in vain) that they'll find out that different people have different requirements where food is concerned. And, again, hoping for something to happen when you know it's unlikely to happen isn't magical thinking.
Magical thinking is thought that has a fundamental attribution error. Attributing a lack of interest in protein to being caused by a lack of need for protein, rather than a dietary preference, is an attribution error. Protein actually seems to cause satiety to a surprisingly fixed degree in ad libium eating humans - I recall some research that the amount of protein in most traditional diets in healthy weight populations is rather fixed.
http://www.science20.com/deconstructing_obesity/the_protein_leverage_hypothesis-156539While self-regulating human populations across the world and across several decades can be shown to eat a wide range of fat and carbohydrate calories, the amount of protein in the diet is nearly always 15% of the total.
Even if I did, though, that would just be wrong and not actually "magical thinking." It's a little more than misattribution.
It's very satisfying, hunger-wise. That is one of my problems with meat. More than 75g or so...it sits in my stomach like a rock. Don't love that feeling. Also...just don't want to eat much meat. I don't dislike the taste so much. I just don't want it.
Most Americans get more than enough protein. Not me, but most of us.
Very cute, resorting to personal insults.
How very scientific and impressive...and so witty and original. You should be very proud of yourself. Clever, clever man.
It isn't, though. The feeling you're describing is not common to a healthy gut. It may be you have a digestive issue. Or not - maybe you're so used to faster digesting foods that slower digesting ones feel odd to you. But asking the question was not out of line.
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Very cute, resorting to personal insults.
How very scientific and impressive...and so witty and original. You should be very proud of yourself. Clever, clever man.
Curious how you read a personal insult out of a simple question. One which you yourself seem to ask in almost every thread you post in.stevencloser wrote: »Working2BLean wrote: »I have worked out for years. I see some people that lift hard, eat and drink protein shakes, and struggle to add a pound
Others like me have to watch every calorie and do intense cardio
It is quite apparent there is some difference.
These are sometimes people I work with and see this guy eat 2500 calories just at work and in a massive protein shake
Interesting study
At the end of the day it really is just comforting knowledge. It won't change anything
I eat sparingly and gain muscle easily, he eats constantly and stays skinny
Weird
I wonder how massive you're talking, when a regular ol' protein shake is barely 300-400.
I just logged my evening protein shake (1.5 scoops, 32g protein) - 195 calories. Hardly massive.0 -
If you're interested, the authors of this study are doing an AMA (Ask Me Anything) on reddit today (November 23rd 2015)
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3txns6/science_ama_series_we_are_david_zeevi_and_tal/0 -
If you're interested, the authors of this study are doing an AMA (Ask Me Anything) on reddit today (November 23rd 2015)
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3txns6/science_ama_series_we_are_david_zeevi_and_tal/
Thanks for posting that. Will keep an eye on it.0
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