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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210929/ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think anyone's suggesting otherwise. But I had alluded to this earlier - getting a little over 100% of the RDA may provide more benefit. Again, this is within reason, and it's not to say that there are massive health benefits by doing so.
Yes, food quality matters - if you don't any micronutrients, again, you'll die. That doesn't mean getting 5,000% of the RDA for micronutrients is better than 100%. In some cases, it will definitely be worse.Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's what I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
please link us to evidence showing that your body can absorb more than 100% of the RDA for micros...
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think anyone's suggesting otherwise. But I had alluded to this earlier - getting a little over 100% of the RDA may provide more benefit. Again, this is within reason, and it's not to say that there are massive health benefits by doing so.
Yes, food quality matters - if you don't any micronutrients, again, you'll die. That doesn't mean getting 5,000% of the RDA for micronutrients is better than 100%. In some cases, it will definitely be worse.Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's what I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
please link us to evidence showing that your body can absorb more than 100% of the RDA for micros...
It doesn't matter anyway. It would just mean that maybe some feel better aiming for 110% or 200% -- it's not like most actually track it. That would be encompassed in your step 1 for those people.
It really does seem like there's a lot of nitpicking going on or that people are arguing without having read the excellent first post.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210929/ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think anyone's suggesting otherwise. But I had alluded to this earlier - getting a little over 100% of the RDA may provide more benefit. Again, this is within reason, and it's not to say that there are massive health benefits by doing so.
Yes, food quality matters - if you don't any micronutrients, again, you'll die. That doesn't mean getting 5,000% of the RDA for micronutrients is better than 100%. In some cases, it will definitely be worse.Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's what I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
please link us to evidence showing that your body can absorb more than 100% of the RDA for micros...
that is vitamin D and that does not say that you can absorb more than 100% of it...it is saying that the calculation to get to the recommended dosage is not correct....0 -
Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.0 -
This does not make sense. If you need more than 600 IUs of vitamin D for sufficient levels (which is what the article is saying), you're trying to say that getting more than that won't result in the body's ability to absorb any more? How can the body's blood level of the vitamin be increased without the body first absorbing more of it?ForecasterJason wrote: »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210929/ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think anyone's suggesting otherwise. But I had alluded to this earlier - getting a little over 100% of the RDA may provide more benefit. Again, this is within reason, and it's not to say that there are massive health benefits by doing so.
Yes, food quality matters - if you don't any micronutrients, again, you'll die. That doesn't mean getting 5,000% of the RDA for micronutrients is better than 100%. In some cases, it will definitely be worse.Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's what I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
please link us to evidence showing that your body can absorb more than 100% of the RDA for micros...
that is vitamin D and that does not say that you can absorb more than 100% of it...it is saying that the calculation to get to the recommended dosage is not correct....0 -
Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
wait, so we have to have credentials, but you are free to post pseudo and bro science and don't need any? Totally legit argument.
And everything that you posted actually disproved your argument...or have you still not realized that?0 -
Do you have any clue that both articles have Alan Aragon and Brad Schofield on them? Do you seriously not realize that, and that your own article goes, once again, against what you're trying to show? That the one linked by NDJ is a meta-analysis (meaning it is a higher standard of evidence than a single study because it synthesizes the existing knowledgebase of studies)?JoshLibby wrote:
I don't think a person should avoid "spiking", I would recommend doing it after a workout or before to ensure that energy is efficiently used when the body needs it, and these two times are the only times it really be should bejmule24 wrote:You do know there is no "secret" anabolic window post workout, right? Muscle Protein Synthesis usually spikes around 24 hours after you workout and up to 48 hours for total MPS........joshlibby wrote:Once again, good information, but what does it even have regards to? Are you giving me information or trying to now talk about protein synthesis.
See above posts. So, I just provide "good information," or factual information? Either way, you seem to be disagreeing with your previous statement made.
Just because I put "good information" doesn't mean anything.
After working out, one should fuel their body, people have been doing it from the beginning of time in body building and it's still done today, it's tried and true.
I think what you're talking about is the amount of time that is , people use to believe you had a 30 minute window, there is no 30 minute window.
This pertained to muscle break down, your muscle won't instantly break down if you don't get your protein in 30 mins or less, that is what this was about. I remember reading about it.
Although. you still need to fuel your body in a reasonable amount of time and there is evidence the faster you do it the better.
Food takes a while to digest regardless (depending on the chain in the food), so I am thinking this topic you're mentioning was something to do with that, but I don't know know what the topic was and don't care.
I always fuel my body before or after a workout regardless, and I tend to go with what has been working.
what evidence would that be?
I linked this on page four:
http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/53
from the abstract: (my emphasis added)
Protein timing is a popular dietary strategy designed to optimize the adaptive response to exercise. The strategy involves consuming protein in and around a training session in an effort to facilitate muscular repair and remodeling, and thereby enhance post-exercise strength- and hypertrophy-related adaptations. Despite the apparent biological plausibility of the strategy, however, the effectiveness of protein timing in chronic training studies has been decidedly mixed. The purpose of this paper therefore was to conduct a multi-level meta-regression of randomized controlled trials to determine whether protein timing is a viable strategy for enhancing post-exercise muscular adaptations. The strength analysis comprised 478 subjects and 96 ESs, nested within 41 treatment or control groups and 20 studies. The hypertrophy analysis comprised 525 subjects and 132 ESs, nested with 47 treatment or control groups and 23 studies. A simple pooled analysis of protein timing without controlling for covariates showed a small to moderate effect on muscle hypertrophy with no significant effect found on muscle strength. In the full meta-regression model controlling for all covariates, however, no significant differences were found between treatment and control for strength or hypertrophy. The reduced model was not significantly different from the full model for either strength or hypertrophy. With respect to hypertrophy, total protein intake was the strongest predictor of ES magnitude. These results refute the commonly held belief that the timing of protein intake in and around a training session is critical to muscular adaptations and indicate that consuming adequate protein in combination with resistance exercise is the key factor for maximizing muscle protein accretion.
The evidence would be the food reaching the body to give nutrition to wherever is needed. Do you really need a study to know that the faster food is in you, the faster it gets broken down?
specifically referring to your "evidence" that you need to fuel your body faster...
the study that I posted clearly states that faster meal timing is not necessary.
For protein, which I never even mention just one macro/micro. I stated nutrients. What about everything else, did they test that too. wow talk about grabbing straws.
pretty sure they consumed more than just protein. Did you even bother to read the study?
And you never stressed nutrients in your fueling sentence, so way to move the goal posts.
You're right I didn't say nutrients but fueling the body doesn't just mean protein either.. I read your article also, and here is my rebuttal. By the way both links have the same dates, so it seems we have a problem. Mine is more logical to me though since it says it varies on the person and they are doing. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3577439/
So, does that make it any untrue, or invalid, if both people are on them? It also does not go against what I am showing because it depends on how I work out, how I eat, when I eat (the individual). Just because it doesn't concur with your schedule/beliefs it doesn't make it any less true.
In your own mind it might not go against what you've said, but for most people reading this thread, it goes against what you've conveyed.
So a few (not exhaustive, the rather probable) possibilities are
1. You're not expressing yourself very well.
2. All the other people in this thread have reading comprehension issues.
3. You don't actually understand what you're posting as proof, or don't understand what you, yourself, are claiming.
Given the times you've posted studies that people have shown you actually contradict your point and show theirs, explanation number 2 is very unlikely, and 3 is highly likely. Particularly when you're posting a nutrition author as proof against his own claims.
The fact that you weight a general study higher than a meta-analysis because it agrees with you instead of the usual weight giving to studies also points towards #3.0 -
Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
wait, so we have to have credentials, but you are free to post pseudo and bro science and don't need any? Totally legit argument.
And everything that you posted actually disproved your argument...or have you still not realized that?
I am not saying the information you are posting from links is wrong, you are, and those links are from people with credentials so yes you have to prove them wrong not me. I am just the relayer of information, since people asked for links, then when they got them it was not true, how convenient. What have I said that disproved any argument?0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
This does not make sense. If you need more than 600 IUs of vitamin D for sufficient levels (which is what the article is saying), you're trying to say that getting more than that won't result in the body's ability to absorb any more? How can the body's blood level of the vitamin be increased without the body first absorbing more of it?ForecasterJason wrote: »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210929/ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think anyone's suggesting otherwise. But I had alluded to this earlier - getting a little over 100% of the RDA may provide more benefit. Again, this is within reason, and it's not to say that there are massive health benefits by doing so.
Yes, food quality matters - if you don't any micronutrients, again, you'll die. That doesn't mean getting 5,000% of the RDA for micronutrients is better than 100%. In some cases, it will definitely be worse.Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's what I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
please link us to evidence showing that your body can absorb more than 100% of the RDA for micros...
that is vitamin D and that does not say that you can absorb more than 100% of it...it is saying that the calculation to get to the recommended dosage is not correct....
ummm becuase the RDA is wrong, which is their premise..
they also add this caveat:
As this dose is far beyond the range of studied doses, caution is warranted when interpreting this estimate.0 -
Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
wait, so we have to have credentials, but you are free to post pseudo and bro science and don't need any? Totally legit argument.
And everything that you posted actually disproved your argument...or have you still not realized that?
I am not saying the information you are posting from links is wrong, you are, and those links are from people with credentials so yes you have to prove them wrong not me. I am just the relayer of information, since people asked for links, then when they got them it was not true, how convenient. What have I said that disproved any argument?
The links you have cited do not support your claims.0 -
Hurry up and get to page 9...I'm leaving for the gym soon and copy & pasting the OP is a pain in the tookus on my phone.0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
wait, so we have to have credentials, but you are free to post pseudo and bro science and don't need any? Totally legit argument.
And everything that you posted actually disproved your argument...or have you still not realized that?
I am not saying the information you are posting from links is wrong, you are, and those links are from people with credentials so yes you have to prove them wrong not me. I am just the relayer of information, since people asked for links, then when they got them it was not true, how convenient. What have I said that disproved any argument?
The links you have cited do not support your claims.
I guess the real question is what would support the claims.
If people have credentials and have studied the information, and if it's not good enough what more can you do?0 -
Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
wait, so we have to have credentials, but you are free to post pseudo and bro science and don't need any? Totally legit argument.
And everything that you posted actually disproved your argument...or have you still not realized that?
I am not saying the information you are posting from links is wrong, you are, and those links are from people with credentials so yes you have to prove them wrong not me. I am just the relayer of information, since people asked for links, then when they got them it was not true, how convenient. What have I said that disproved any argument?
what I am saying is that the very links you posted have refuted your own argument. You said nutrient timing was important and posted a study that said it was not and that a six hour window was suitable for most....
also see @senecarr explanation above...0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
wait, so we have to have credentials, but you are free to post pseudo and bro science and don't need any? Totally legit argument.
And everything that you posted actually disproved your argument...or have you still not realized that?
I am not saying the information you are posting from links is wrong, you are, and those links are from people with credentials so yes you have to prove them wrong not me. I am just the relayer of information, since people asked for links, then when they got them it was not true, how convenient. What have I said that disproved any argument?
The links you have cited do not support your claims.
I guess the real question is what would support the claims.
If people have credentials and have studied the information, and if it's not good enough what more can you do?
the credentialed people that you are referring to did not support your claims, because the links you posted ran counter to your argument. Again, maybe you should go back and read the full study.0 -
Lol, the dosage they mentioned (8,895 IUs) is over 1000% of the RDA. Hence why I said earlier "within reason". There's a huge difference between almost 8900 vs consuming 1,000 or even 2000 IUs. While it is true that they concluded the current RDA is wrong, 600 IUs is still the official recommendation right now. So if one is to follow the RDA for all nutrients, when it comes to vitamin D 600 IUs is what it is.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This does not make sense. If you need more than 600 IUs of vitamin D for sufficient levels (which is what the article is saying), you're trying to say that getting more than that won't result in the body's ability to absorb any more? How can the body's blood level of the vitamin be increased without the body first absorbing more of it?ForecasterJason wrote: »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210929/ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think anyone's suggesting otherwise. But I had alluded to this earlier - getting a little over 100% of the RDA may provide more benefit. Again, this is within reason, and it's not to say that there are massive health benefits by doing so.
Yes, food quality matters - if you don't any micronutrients, again, you'll die. That doesn't mean getting 5,000% of the RDA for micronutrients is better than 100%. In some cases, it will definitely be worse.Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's what I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
please link us to evidence showing that your body can absorb more than 100% of the RDA for micros...
that is vitamin D and that does not say that you can absorb more than 100% of it...it is saying that the calculation to get to the recommended dosage is not correct....
ummm becuase the RDA is wrong, which is their premise..
they also add this caveat:
As this dose is far beyond the range of studied doses, caution is warranted when interpreting this estimate.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Lol, the dosage they mentioned (8,895 IUs) is over 1000% of the RDA. Hence why I said earlier "within reason". There's a huge difference between almost 8900 vs consuming 1,000 IUs. While it is true that they concluded the current RDA is wrong, 600 IUs is still the official recommendation right now. So if one is to follow the RDA for all nutrients, when it comes to vitamin D 600 IUs is what it is.ForecasterJason wrote: »
This does not make sense. If you need more than 600 IUs of vitamin D for sufficient levels (which is what the article is saying), you're trying to say that getting more than that won't result in the body's ability to absorb any more? How can the body's blood level of the vitamin be increased without the body first absorbing more of it?ForecasterJason wrote: »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210929/ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think anyone's suggesting otherwise. But I had alluded to this earlier - getting a little over 100% of the RDA may provide more benefit. Again, this is within reason, and it's not to say that there are massive health benefits by doing so.
Yes, food quality matters - if you don't any micronutrients, again, you'll die. That doesn't mean getting 5,000% of the RDA for micronutrients is better than 100%. In some cases, it will definitely be worse.Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's what I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
please link us to evidence showing that your body can absorb more than 100% of the RDA for micros...
that is vitamin D and that does not say that you can absorb more than 100% of it...it is saying that the calculation to get to the recommended dosage is not correct....
ummm becuase the RDA is wrong, which is their premise..
they also add this caveat:
As this dose is far beyond the range of studied doses, caution is warranted when interpreting this estimate.
again, that is because their premise is that the RDA is wrong. So if you are consuming the wrong RDA then you are not getting 100% of it in the first place, right?
if someone tells me to eat 50 grams of protein because that is the 100% RDA for me, but it is really 100 grams, then that means that I have been consuming 50% of what the real RDA should be...
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Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
wait, so we have to have credentials, but you are free to post pseudo and bro science and don't need any? Totally legit argument.
And everything that you posted actually disproved your argument...or have you still not realized that?
I am not saying the information you are posting from links is wrong, you are, and those links are from people with credentials so yes you have to prove them wrong not me. I am just the relayer of information, since people asked for links, then when they got them it was not true, how convenient. What have I said that disproved any argument?
what I am saying is that the very links you posted have refuted your own argument. You said nutrient timing was important and posted a study that said it was not and that a six hour window was suitable for most....
also see @senecarr explanation above...
Actually the link I posted said it was still possible but it varied, you took the protein part of both articles (which said that particular macro doesn't matter), and make it seem like, overal food timing wouldn't matter because of that and ran with it.0 -
Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
wait, so we have to have credentials, but you are free to post pseudo and bro science and don't need any? Totally legit argument.
And everything that you posted actually disproved your argument...or have you still not realized that?
I am not saying the information you are posting from links is wrong, you are, and those links are from people with credentials so yes you have to prove them wrong not me. I am just the relayer of information, since people asked for links, then when they got them it was not true, how convenient. What have I said that disproved any argument?
what I am saying is that the very links you posted have refuted your own argument. You said nutrient timing was important and posted a study that said it was not and that a six hour window was suitable for most....
also see @senecarr explanation above...
Actually the link I posted said it was still possible but it varied, you took the protein part of both articles (which said that particular macro doesn't matter), and make it seem like it overal food timing wouldn't matter because of that and ran with it.
go back and read the full study.
Five other people in this thread read it and came to the same conclusion that I did, so I guess we are all wrong and lack "credentials"...
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Mine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
Wait. Did you essentially just say you get your evidence off the back of a cereal box?0 -
From the article. DEPENDING ON THE PERSONMine is logical because it says it can matter, but it also it depends on variables of the individual and what they are doing, when they had their last food intake too.
Yours is more specific about protein at least that's I see and gather and says protein timing does not matter, it's even what you quoted. But once again, I could care about protein I hit my goals there regardless.
Once again you always find something...
LOL did you miss the six hour window part? So yea if I work out from 4 to 5:30 then I have until 11:30 at night to eat which is ridiculous beucase I will eat dinner at 7pm anyway ...
It also clearly said that carb timing did not matter, or is your argument that carbs are not nutrients?
It would be beneficial to read the full text of studies that you link.
I would suggest you also read @LolBroScience response to said study.
Nutrients as a whole.
By the time I can read one response and respond to it, there is 9 more. I am not going to sit here and read and reply to them all. LOL
maybe you should realize the reason that you are getting so many responses is because your entire premise is wrong and is not based on any evidence. Almost every thing you have linked us to runs counter to what you are arguing.
Maybe you should take the time to go back and actually read what you are linking us to.
Actually I linked evidence many times, people with average knowledge, no certificates in training or degrees, nutritional background said it was wrong.
yes, and the "evidence" that you linked ran counter to your argument, or have you not realized that yet?
and your credentials are?
at least the people in this thread have actually run successful bulk/cut cycles, which you, at your own admission, have never done.
The evidence I showed is on the back of certain protein powders, creatine and preworkout itself. Also, one study doesn't undo 50 years of what is tried and true, by bodybuilders natural and unnatural, even celebrities for movies. Especially when you can type it in a search engine and comes up that meal timing is important on many sites with people with credentials.
I don't need credentials when you are trying to tell me the information I post is wrong, ( and the information is by people with credentials) that is your job to conclude that is it wrong, but you couldn't do that because of doubt, and it could work. It either can or can't and it seems it can, depending on variables. The end.
wait, so we have to have credentials, but you are free to post pseudo and bro science and don't need any? Totally legit argument.
And everything that you posted actually disproved your argument...or have you still not realized that?
I am not saying the information you are posting from links is wrong, you are, and those links are from people with credentials so yes you have to prove them wrong not me. I am just the relayer of information, since people asked for links, then when they got them it was not true, how convenient. What have I said that disproved any argument?
what I am saying is that the very links you posted have refuted your own argument. You said nutrient timing was important and posted a study that said it was not and that a six hour window was suitable for most....
also see @senecarr explanation above...
Actually the link I posted said it was still possible but it varied, you took the protein part of both articles (which said that particular macro doesn't matter), and make it seem like it overal food timing wouldn't matter because of that and ran with it.
go back and read the full study.
Five other people in this thread read it and came to the same conclusion that I did, so I guess we are all wrong and lack "credentials"...
"On the other hand, there are others who might train before lunch or after work, where the previous meal was finished 4–6 hours prior to commencing exercise. This lag in nutrient consumption can be considered significant enough to warrant post-exercise intervention if muscle retention or growth is the primary goal."
This is all I need to say.0
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