Are there really fat burning foods?
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brianpperkins wrote: »It is all about the deficit.
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Weight loss is still about the deficit.teamknoxdiscus wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »It is all about the deficit.
this is not entirely correct. Protein sources cause more of a thermogenic effect than other types. About 1/3 of the intake from a protein source is used up in a thermogenic process. Resulting in less total calories being stored yet they have been ingested in the same manner.
Where you get your food matters a lot.
If anyone has any questions feel free to add me and ask. : )
That's true I think - Chris Pratt said that for his weight loss he was eating crazy amounts of turkey and he wouldn't have protein shakes as they don't provide the same thermogenic effect as actually eating the meat.0 -
No, that is not how food works.0
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Weight loss is still about the deficit.teamknoxdiscus wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »It is all about the deficit.
this is not entirely correct. Protein sources cause more of a thermogenic effect than other types. About 1/3 of the intake from a protein source is used up in a thermogenic process. Resulting in less total calories being stored yet they have been ingested in the same manner.
Where you get your food matters a lot.
If anyone has any questions feel free to add me and ask. : )
That's true I think - Chris Pratt said that for his weight loss he was eating crazy amounts of turkey and he wouldn't have protein shakes as they don't provide the same thermogenic effect as actually eating the meat.
Oh I didn't say it wasn't.
I just agreed that different food can act on the body differently.
Think how research shows that the oil in coconut oil is used by the body as preferred form of energy rather than just fat. http://authoritynutrition.com/top-10-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coconut-oil/0 -
So you're confusing TEF with a "fat burning food" ... it seems your inaccuracies span all threads you post in.teamknoxdiscus wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »It is all about the deficit.
this is not entirely correct. Protein sources cause more of a thermogenic effect than other types. About 1/3 of the intake from a protein source is used up in a thermogenic process. Resulting in less total calories being stored yet they have been ingested in the same manner.
Where you get your food matters a lot.
If anyone has any questions feel free to add me and ask. : )0 -
From my research and speaking with biology majors about how the body processes food, it is not all about deficit. If you go in to too much of a deficit them you're body slows down your metabolism and burns food slower. This means you could be eating very little bit losing as much weight as you souls be if you were eating a little bit more calories. You can't increase your calories fast though or you're body will store it all as fat. Also your body processes different types of food differently. Such as carbs. If you eat too many carbs your body will store them as fat. Fat is not the primary energy source for the body so the body stores it instead of using it first. That being said, you need carbs abs you need fat for your body's metabolic functions to, well, function properly.0
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jmkachelein wrote: »From my research and speaking with biology majors about how the body processes food, it is not all about deficit. If you go in to too much of a deficit them you're body slows down your metabolism and burns food slower. This means you could be eating very little bit losing as much weight as you souls be if you were eating a little bit more calories. You can't increase your calories fast though or you're body will store it all as fat. Also your body processes different types of food differently. Such as carbs. If you eat too many carbs your body will store them as fat. Fat is not the primary energy source for the body so the body stores it instead of using it first. That being said, you need carbs abs you need fat for your body's metabolic functions to, well, function properly.
Where are you doing your research because pretty much everything you've posted is debunked by peer reviewed science.0 -
jmkachelein wrote: »From my research and speaking with biology majors about how the body processes food, it is not all about deficit. If you go in to too much of a deficit them you're body slows down your metabolism and burns food slower.
Almost. If you eat at a sharp deficit for a long period of time, you might experience adaptive thermogenesis. This can be corrected somewhat. It's also not the same thing you're talking about.This means you could be eating very little bit losing as much weight as you souls be if you were eating a little bit more calories. You can't increase your calories fast though or you're body will store it all as fat.
Your body burns and stores fat all the time. Your body only stores excess fat if you're eating more than you burn.Also your body processes different types of food differently. Such as carbs. If you eat too many carbs your body will store them as fat. Fat is not the primary energy source for the body so the body stores it instead of using it first. That being said, you need carbs abs you need fat for your body's metabolic functions to, well, function properly.
Nah, if you eat too many calories, your body will store them as excess fat. Your body will convert carbs and store them, but see what I said above. We're burning and storing fat all the time. I always forget the particulars about carbs and the cycle they go through (there's conversion to glucose, something with getting stored, something with ATP and being used for available energy... but my memory sucks). The bottom line is that they do not get stored as excess fat unless you're in a calorie surplus.
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rankinsect wrote: »1. There are a few things that could be called negative calorie - for example, if you drank one liter of ice water, you'd burn about 35 calories because your body has to warm it up to body temperature. Still, the effect is quite small and you couldn't drink enough water (without dying of hyponatremia) to make a meaningful difference.
2. If there actually was a food that gave a significant effect on metabolism, it would be very toxic. There was a now-banned diet drug that legitimately did cause your body's metabolism to be less efficient, so you needed to burn more calories for the same amount of cellular energy usage. However, the problem here is energy balance. The excess calories of energy don't just disappear, they become heat, and people can and did die from hyperthermia as their body produced heat faster than they could shed it into the environment, even when they were given carefully controlled dosages administered by doctors.
Capsaicin has the same general kind of effect as the latter, but much, much weaker. It may help a very little bit, but the effect is not going to be huge - if it had a huge effect, it would be equally deadly.
You might get a few dozens of "extra calories" by things like this, but it's not going to be a game changer.
Thank you for that thorough explanation. Much appreciated!
It's funny how companies have taken this almost null concept (fat burning foods) and have built entire products that they sell around it.
Again... Thanks for helping me clear up some misconceptions!0 -
I think the only foods that help with any significant calorie burning are foods that make you regurgitate. Realize that this is sarcasm, but if you don't believe me, eat a meal then try to have a bite of this after:
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Weight loss is still about the deficit.teamknoxdiscus wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »It is all about the deficit.
this is not entirely correct. Protein sources cause more of a thermogenic effect than other types. About 1/3 of the intake from a protein source is used up in a thermogenic process. Resulting in less total calories being stored yet they have been ingested in the same manner.
Where you get your food matters a lot.
If anyone has any questions feel free to add me and ask. : )
That's true I think - Chris Pratt said that for his weight loss he was eating crazy amounts of turkey and he wouldn't have protein shakes as they don't provide the same thermogenic effect as actually eating the meat.
Oh I didn't say it wasn't.
I just agreed that different food can act on the body differently.
Think how research shows that the oil in coconut oil is used by the body as preferred form of energy rather than just fat. http://authoritynutrition.com/top-10-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coconut-oil/
Nice little popup ad prompted to buy their book as I was reading all that nonsense about coconut being the one super food, and it must be the organic virgin coconut oil and not the refined stuff in order to work.
Coconut oil is no more super food than anything else, especially when it comes to weight loss, though I do love coconut milk and plain old coconut out of the shell. If coconut truly had magic properties it seems to me the real deal would come right out of the shell.0 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »I've come to believe it's all about the deficit, although I do still linger over magazine articles that talk about fat burning food and so on. It's a nice story, but yeah, I don't think it's true.
Because if any food had been scientifically proven to have fat burning qualities ... we'd all be eating it!
It's mostly about the deficit.
Sure a few foods do have minor influence on metabolism or fat utilisation (and scientific support) but they are useless unless you've got the deficit right. There are no short cuts.
It's like trying to run a 5 miles race.
Those shoes, those super sleek clothes aren't going to make you win the race if you haven't done the hours of training.
For example, there is strong evidence that coffee (caffeine) is a fat-burner via most likely the increase in adrenaline (but most likely only affects people that are not habituated...). Green Tea, Yerba mate, BCAA, Capsaicin... etc. all have different levels of scientific evidence of their efficacy.
None will be effective if we stuff our faces. Deficit overrules these minor factors.
What is interesting with with you said, is this.. there is a show called super skinny vs supersize.
and they have a lot of people who are extremely under weight and they all consume 12 cups of coffee, or 12 cups of tea for two meals.
Yes, but it wasn't the coffee and tea that made them skinny.. It was the fact that they drank coffee all day without eating. Coffee and cigarettes are a common replacement for food, and will leave you underweight and sick.0 -
Weight loss is still about the deficit.teamknoxdiscus wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »It is all about the deficit.
this is not entirely correct. Protein sources cause more of a thermogenic effect than other types. About 1/3 of the intake from a protein source is used up in a thermogenic process. Resulting in less total calories being stored yet they have been ingested in the same manner.
Where you get your food matters a lot.
If anyone has any questions feel free to add me and ask. : )
That's true I think - Chris Pratt said that for his weight loss he was eating crazy amounts of turkey and he wouldn't have protein shakes as they don't provide the same thermogenic effect as actually eating the meat.
Oh I didn't say it wasn't.
I just agreed that different food can act on the body differently.
Think how research shows that the oil in coconut oil is used by the body as preferred form of energy rather than just fat. http://authoritynutrition.com/top-10-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coconut-oil/
Nice little popup ad prompted to buy their book as I was reading all that nonsense about coconut being the one super food, and it must be the organic virgin coconut oil and not the refined stuff in order to work.
Coconut oil is no more super food than anything else, especially when it comes to weight loss, though I do love coconut milk and plain old coconut out of the shell. If coconut truly had magic properties it seems to me the real deal would come right out of the shell.
Yup!
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TheopolisAmbroiseIII wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »I've come to believe it's all about the deficit, although I do still linger over magazine articles that talk about fat burning food and so on. It's a nice story, but yeah, I don't think it's true.
Because if any food had been scientifically proven to have fat burning qualities ... we'd all be eating it!
It's mostly about the deficit.
Sure a few foods do have minor influence on metabolism or fat utilisation (and scientific support) but they are useless unless you've got the deficit right. There are no short cuts.
It's like trying to run a 5 miles race.
Those shoes, those super sleek clothes aren't going to make you win the race if you haven't done the hours of training.
For example, there is strong evidence that coffee (caffeine) is a fat-burner via most likely the increase in adrenaline (but most likely only affects people that are not habituated...). Green Tea, Yerba mate, BCAA, Capsaicin... etc. all have different levels of scientific evidence of their efficacy.
None will be effective if we stuff our faces. Deficit overrules these minor factors.
What is interesting with with you said, is this.. there is a show called super skinny vs supersize.
and they have a lot of people who are extremely under weight and they all consume 12 cups of coffee, or 12 cups of tea for two meals.
Yes, but it wasn't the coffee and tea that made them skinny.. It was the fact that they drank coffee all day without eating. Coffee and cigarettes are a common replacement for food, and will leave you underweight and sick.
Oops, missed the reply. Yes, wouldn't recommend that.0 -
Weight loss is still about the deficit.teamknoxdiscus wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »It is all about the deficit.
this is not entirely correct. Protein sources cause more of a thermogenic effect than other types. About 1/3 of the intake from a protein source is used up in a thermogenic process. Resulting in less total calories being stored yet they have been ingested in the same manner.
Where you get your food matters a lot.
If anyone has any questions feel free to add me and ask. : )
That's true I think - Chris Pratt said that for his weight loss he was eating crazy amounts of turkey and he wouldn't have protein shakes as they don't provide the same thermogenic effect as actually eating the meat.
Oh I didn't say it wasn't.
I just agreed that different food can act on the body differently.
Think how research shows that the oil in coconut oil is used by the body as preferred form of energy rather than just fat. http://authoritynutrition.com/top-10-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coconut-oil/
That site is as far from an authority on nutrition as one can be.0 -
prettysoul1908 wrote: »Thanks for the responses! And I too still linger over those articles. Before mfp I was trying to build a diet around it. Lol. And was wondering why the scale wasn't dropping.
I still feel a little weird when I am eating certain foods that were once considered forbidden. I find myself wondering... Am I sabotaging myself by eating this white rice instead of quinoa?
Trying to undo these years of diet misconceptions is serious work. Lol.
Yeah, imagine some of us who have been dieting off and on since the 70's! It took me a long time to get over my fear of fat. Every time I wanted to put a teaspoon of butter on my toast all I could see was Susan Powter with her 80's buzzcut yelling "It's fat . . . you're fat. STOP THE INSANITY!".
I am now in a happy place with eating all things in moderation (macros are 35% protein, 35% carbs, and 30% fat). It works (even as a T2Dm)
ps: no you are not sabotaging yourself by eating white rice instead of quinoa. On the other hand, variety is a good thing so have either one, depending on your mood.
I needed to detox from Susan Powter as well...0 -
I think the only foods that help with any significant calorie burning are foods that make you regurgitate. Realize that this is sarcasm, but if you don't believe me, eat a meal then try to have a bite of this after:
Balut
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Well, there goes my day. Thanks Niner. I was going to have fajitas for dinner too.0 -
TheopolisAmbroiseIII wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »I've come to believe it's all about the deficit, although I do still linger over magazine articles that talk about fat burning food and so on. It's a nice story, but yeah, I don't think it's true.
Because if any food had been scientifically proven to have fat burning qualities ... we'd all be eating it!
It's mostly about the deficit.
Sure a few foods do have minor influence on metabolism or fat utilisation (and scientific support) but they are useless unless you've got the deficit right. There are no short cuts.
It's like trying to run a 5 miles race.
Those shoes, those super sleek clothes aren't going to make you win the race if you haven't done the hours of training.
For example, there is strong evidence that coffee (caffeine) is a fat-burner via most likely the increase in adrenaline (but most likely only affects people that are not habituated...). Green Tea, Yerba mate, BCAA, Capsaicin... etc. all have different levels of scientific evidence of their efficacy.
None will be effective if we stuff our faces. Deficit overrules these minor factors.
What is interesting with with you said, is this.. there is a show called super skinny vs supersize.
and they have a lot of people who are extremely under weight and they all consume 12 cups of coffee, or 12 cups of tea for two meals.
Yes, but it wasn't the coffee and tea that made them skinny.. It was the fact that they drank coffee all day without eating. Coffee and cigarettes are a common replacement for food, and will leave you underweight and sick.
I would totally live on coffee if I could. But that's cuz I love coffee more than I love food. I would die of stomach ulcers though.0 -
On a separate note, some days I wish this was available. Gets too cold you can't seem to ever warm up. But yes can be very scary I'm sure... (slinks away into the dark coldness of Wisconsin)rankinsect wrote: »The excess calories of energy don't just disappear, they become heat, and people can and did die from hyperthermia as their body produced heat faster than they could shed it into the environment, even when they were given carefully controlled dosages administered by doctors.
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Google scholar is loaded with articles where one ingredient or another is tested for it's fat burning properties. Typically the benefits are modest and "require further study". Think about it this way. The cayenne you put on your steak is completely undone by the cookie you eat afterwards.
Some substances studied include green tea extracts(metabolism), Coffee/caffeine (metabolism), ephedrine derivatives (metabolism), and Konjac root (fiber).0
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