No interest in food

andysport1

I seem to have been protein deficient, so addressing this by way of additional fish and protein shakes, 1 week in and I'm getting up earlier, however I seem to have lost all interest in food and have lost my appetite, Sat night had a buffet night, I ate 2 pieces of French bread with fish Pattie and felt uncomfortably full, I never feel full ever, so usually eat far too much. Is this normal if you increase protein intake ? What should I do ?

andysport1

Has no one ever experienced this ?

greengurl1088

Hi there, typically loss of interest in food is caused by depression or anxiety. Is it possible you have more stress right now or other things are going on that you didn't realize?

RodaRose

Keep foods around that have protein and are easy to eat: nuts, milk, yogurt, cottage cheese,

Terri2874

If this is not your "normal"... it might be a good idea to see your doctor

Sabine_Stroehm

RodaRose wrote: »

Keep foods around that have protein and are easy to eat: nuts, milk, yogurt, cottage cheese,

I'd start here. Because your diary is closed and we don't know about your exercise habits we can't really see what you mean by "protein deficient". You don't get 50 or so grams just by eating food?

TavistockToad

open your diary

Lounmoun

andysport1 wrote: »

I seem to have been protein deficient, so addressing this by way of additional fish and protein shakes, 1 week in and I'm getting up earlier, however I seem to have lost all interest in food and have lost my appetite, Sat night had a buffet night, I ate 2 pieces of French bread with fish Pattie and felt uncomfortably full, I never feel full ever, so usually eat far too much. Is this normal if you increase protein intake ? What should I do ?

Are you not getting enough calories because you no longer feel like eating?
You could see your doctor and rule out any medical issues if the problem persists.

ElizabethPalm

Ketosis.

andysport1

My protein levels had days when they were super low less than 10g, keep snack foods to hand is a great idea = thank you. No point opening my diary, I hardly log. My current aim is100g a day, my exercise levels are quite high, Last week 140 miles biking at ave15mph, ran twice plus 1 race, plus 10 hours of cutting trees and logging them.
I do not think I'm getting enough calories, however if I put my exercise into mfp sometimes it will say I need to eat 6000 cals + I would like to move a few pounds but that isn't happening.

quirkytizzy

Over exercising has been known to reduce appetite. If you're burning over 6 thousand calories in exercise, I'd suggest cutting back on the exercise. At that rate, you're netting far below 0 calories, which can do all kinds of wonky and dangerous things to your body.

TavistockToad

andysport1 wrote: »

My protein levels had days when they were super low less than 10g, keep snack foods to hand is a great idea = thank you. No point opening my diary, I hardly log. My current aim is100g a day, my exercise levels are quite high, Last week 140 miles biking at ave15mph, ran twice plus 1 race, plus 10 hours of cutting trees and logging them.
I do not think I'm getting enough calories, however if I put my exercise into mfp sometimes it will say I need to eat 6000 cals + I would like to move a few pounds but that isn't happening.

what are you eating that has so little protein in it? plus, if you don't log, how do you know how much or little you're getting?

andysport1

what are you eating that has so little protein in it? plus, if you don't log, how do you know how much or little you're getting?
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I'm a veggie except for fish, so for example, breakfast beans on toast, lunch soup with say mushroom pattie on rivita crackers, dinner a veggie pizza, snacks would be chocolate or toast, I was finding I was increasingly eating sugary items in an afternoon, now I think this was to give me an energy boost. I logged food for a few days and realised my protein was really low almost every other day.

andysport1

quirkytizzy wrote: »

Over exercising has been known to reduce appetite. If you're burning over 6 thousand calories in exercise, I'd suggest cutting back on the exercise. At that rate, you're netting far below 0 calories, which can do all kinds of wonky and dangerous things to your body.

Hi, on a heavy work day plus exercise I can burn 4000 plus the 2000 ish I should eat = 6000 I can't alter my workload what needs to get done needs doing. I am training for an Ironman triathlon, part of my problem is that I haven't got the energy to train more, I need to train a lot more not less, though thanks for your advice.

ultrahoon

andysport1 wrote: »

quirkytizzy wrote: »

Over exercising has been known to reduce appetite. If you're burning over 6 thousand calories in exercise, I'd suggest cutting back on the exercise. At that rate, you're netting far below 0 calories, which can do all kinds of wonky and dangerous things to your body.

Hi, on a heavy work day plus exercise I can burn 4000 plus the 2000 ish I should eat = 6000 I can't alter my workload what needs to get done needs doing. I am training for an Ironman triathlon, part of my problem is that I haven't got the energy to train more, I need to train a lot more not less, though thanks for your advice.

You need to fuel those workouts though. Investigate more calorie dense foods, because if your estimations of calorie burns are even remotely close, this is a long term disaster.

RodaRose

Get more beans. Remember to eat fats and oils: avocados, coconut oil, . . .

For example: black bean chili, tofu and broiled squash, curried lentil soup, chic pea salad.
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/14238/chickpea-salad-with-red-onion-and-tomato/

3dogsrunning

Protein can help you feel fuller so upping it might cause you to feel fuller. But if you are training for an Ironman you need to start eating properly. Hunger is also regulated by hormones and very low intake can affect that as well.
I'd suggest starting to log so you can see where you can add calories and where your really are with intake. 10 g of protein is super low even for what you listed.
It's hard to give suggestions without knowing what you are eating. Take a look at the foods you are using, do you use low fat versions - switch them to the full fat versions. Add things like nuts, nut butters, oils. Foods like avocado that are calorie dense. These things will add calories without adding a ton of extra food to eat.

47Jacqueline

Open your diary.

Sabine_Stroehm

RodaRose wrote: »

Get more beans. Remember to eat fats and oils: avocados, coconut oil, . . .

For example: black bean chili, tofu and broiled squash, curried lentil soup, chic pea salad.
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/14238/chickpea-salad-with-red-onion-and-tomato/

This. If you're going to be a vegetarian, eat more beans, and add other proteins. Consider tofu. Add more nuts. If you can eat fish, do, and make it tasty.

Rachel0778

With ironman training especially, it would be beneficial for you to meet with a sports nutritionist to learn how to properly fuel your workouts. I would hate to see you put in all this work and then get injured during training or hit a wall during the event because of poor continued nutrition. Most health insurance plans cover nutritionists with a small co-pay so it's pretty reasonable.

kshama2001

Rachel0778 wrote: »

With ironman training especially, it would be beneficial for you to meet with a sports nutritionist to learn how to properly fuel your workouts. I would hate to see you put in all this work and then get injured during training or hit a wall during the event because of poor continued nutrition. Most health insurance plans cover nutritionists with a small co-pay so it's pretty reasonable.

Yup, someone I know got pulled after the swim part of the 2015 Ironman Triathlon World Championships as he was sick. What a shame.

andysport1

kshama2001 wrote: »

Rachel0778 wrote: »

With ironman training especially, it would be beneficial for you to meet with a sports nutritionist to learn how to properly fuel your workouts. I would hate to see you put in all this work and then get injured during training or hit a wall during the event because of poor continued nutrition. Most health insurance plans cover nutritionists with a small co-pay so it's pretty reasonable.

Yup, someone I know got pulled after the swim part of the 2015 Ironman Triathlon World Championships as he was sick. What a shame.

I'm always sick during the bike leg of a triathlon, I often feel extremely sick during and just after a hard swim session. I think I have probably been lucky just getting tired and have been able to see I'm doing something wrong, I have started to alter my foods, I will continue to learn and alter for a month then arrange a nutritionist. I'm in the UK how do you find a good one ? one who can relate rather than get the stuff out of a book.

3dogsrunning

andysport1 wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Rachel0778 wrote: »

With ironman training especially, it would be beneficial for you to meet with a sports nutritionist to learn how to properly fuel your workouts. I would hate to see you put in all this work and then get injured during training or hit a wall during the event because of poor continued nutrition. Most health insurance plans cover nutritionists with a small co-pay so it's pretty reasonable.

Yup, someone I know got pulled after the swim part of the 2015 Ironman Triathlon World Championships as he was sick. What a shame.

I'm always sick during the bike leg of a triathlon, I often feel extremely sick during and just after a hard swim session. I think I have probably been lucky just getting tired and have been able to see I'm doing something wrong, I have started to alter my foods, I will continue to learn and alter for a month then arrange a nutritionist. I'm in the UK how do you find a good one ? one who can relate rather than get the stuff out of a book.

They call nutrition the fourth discipline of triathlon for a reason.

47Jacqueline wrote: »

Open your diary.

He said upthread he doesn't log.

ultrahoon

andysport1 wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Rachel0778 wrote: »

With ironman training especially, it would be beneficial for you to meet with a sports nutritionist to learn how to properly fuel your workouts. I would hate to see you put in all this work and then get injured during training or hit a wall during the event because of poor continued nutrition. Most health insurance plans cover nutritionists with a small co-pay so it's pretty reasonable.

Yup, someone I know got pulled after the swim part of the 2015 Ironman Triathlon World Championships as he was sick. What a shame.

I'm always sick during the bike leg of a triathlon, I often feel extremely sick during and just after a hard swim session. I think I have probably been lucky just getting tired and have been able to see I'm doing something wrong, I have started to alter my foods, I will continue to learn and alter for a month then arrange a nutritionist. I'm in the UK how do you find a good one ? one who can relate rather than get the stuff out of a book.

Depending on what county in the UK you live in, you might be able to get an NHS referral to a vastly superior Dietician. If you're not lucky enough to live in such a county, then your local GP office will almost certainly have a diabetic nurse with some kind of nutrition training.

andysport1

ultrahoon wrote: »

andysport1 wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Rachel0778 wrote: »

With ironman training especially, it would be beneficial for you to meet with a sports nutritionist to learn how to properly fuel your workouts. I would hate to see you put in all this work and then get injured during training or hit a wall during the event because of poor continued nutrition. Most health insurance plans cover nutritionists with a small co-pay so it's pretty reasonable.

Yup, someone I know got pulled after the swim part of the 2015 Ironman Triathlon World Championships as he was sick. What a shame.

I'm always sick during the bike leg of a triathlon, I often feel extremely sick during and just after a hard swim session. I think I have probably been lucky just getting tired and have been able to see I'm doing something wrong, I have started to alter my foods, I will continue to learn and alter for a month then arrange a nutritionist. I'm in the UK how do you find a good one ? one who can relate rather than get the stuff out of a book.

Depending on what county in the UK you live in, you might be able to get an NHS referral to a vastly superior Dietician. If you're not lucky enough to live in such a county, then your local GP office will almost certainly have a diabetic nurse with some kind of nutrition training.

More than happy to pay, would prefer to find the best so as to get 100% accurate for me.

SingRunTing

You really should start logging. It will help you know where your gaps are in your nutrition and can be a great tool to hand over to a nutritionist when you start seeing one.

You can't know what to fix if you don't know what's broken.

middlehaitch

Is this your first iron man? How long have you been doing triathlons and have you ever done a half ironman?
I ask because my son ranked high in under 25 triathlons ( BC Canada) then did an iron man and the training and eating were brutal for him. He almost passed out when he finished.
Subsequent ones he fared a little better, he had a good group of people supporting him.

You really do need to get your food sorted and implemented even before you start hard core training.

Check for a triathlon club in your area, if you don't already belong to one, and get to know a good sports physio.

Cheers, h.

andysport1

SingRunTing wrote: »

You really should start logging. It will help you know where your gaps are in your nutrition and can be a great tool to hand over to a nutritionist when you start seeing one.

You can't know what to fix if you don't know what's broken.

Totally agree, started logging today, I will get a few weeks in then go see someone

andysport1

middlehaitch wrote: »

Is this your first iron man? How long have you been doing triathlons and have you ever done a half ironman?
I ask because my son ranked high in under 25 triathlons ( BC Canada) then did an iron man and the training and eating were brutal for him. He almost passed out when he finished.
Subsequent ones he fared a little better, he had a good group of people supporting him.

You really do need to get your food sorted and implemented even before you start hard core training.

Check for a triathlon club in your area, if you don't already belong to one, and get to know a good sports physio.

Cheers, h.

Into tri since 2008, never done IM I'm usually flat on the floor for at least 20mins whatever the distance, no one can ever accuse me of not trying. I am in a club, half the trouble is your competitors won't help you even if they are in the same club. We have several gold medallists in our club and even though I'm stepping up to IM distance the word is they are proper scared of me beating them. 3 years ago I was pushing 20 hours a week training currently I can only manage about 10 hours, my new year schedule is 5 hours swim, 10-12 bike, 4 hours run with 2 hours gym. I'm usually in the top 5 in the swim, top 10 on the bike very dependant on the course, then the run goes to pot, but no one in our club know that because I never log my times. If I'm not going to finish in the top10 I don't bother finishing, just walk round the finish line.