PlexusBlock, carbs/protein, and insulin response

determined_14

So I know that Plexus is a snake oil product and MLM scam, but does anyone know if there is a grain of truth in their "Plexus Block" product? It claims to "block up to 48% of carbs and sugar naturally."
My BS alert immediately starts screaming, but is there any shred of truth to that?
Also, talk to me about blood sugar spikes and insulin response. My husband's brother is diabetic, and my husband says that he can eat as much protein as he wants without having to be concerned about his blood sugar. But I'm sure I've seen knowledgeable people on here talk about an insulin response/blood sugar spike with regards to protein as well as carbs. Am I confused?
Thanks in advance!

Yi5hedr3

Bogus product! You MUST Cut carbs and MODERATE protein to avoid Insulin spikes. Your brother in law is clueless when it comes to protein. Approx 58% of protein is converted to Glycogen, which in excess stimulates Insulin. The best diet for a diabetic is without question Ketogenic. Macros should be approx. 10% carbs, 25% protein, and 65% healthy fats (MCT Oil, Coconut Oil, Macadamia Nut Oil, KerryGold Grassfed Butter).

determined_14

Nobody??? (Also, my notifications say there should be one comment here, but I can't see it. Maybe it was deleted?)

auddii

determined_14 wrote: »

Nobody??? (Also, my notifications say there should be one comment here, but I can't see it. Maybe it was deleted?)

If someone post something that's against terms of service (likely someone who sells it), they'll delete it and it'll register a response.

That said, I don't understand your post. You said you know it's snake oil then you ask if it works. It's considered snake oil because it makes claims it can't prove. I know of no independent studies that support their claims.

determined_14

auddii wrote: »

determined_14 wrote: »

Nobody??? (Also, my notifications say there should be one comment here, but I can't see it. Maybe it was deleted?)

If someone post something that's against terms of service (likely someone who sells it), they'll delete it and it'll register a response.

That said, I don't understand your post. You said you know it's snake oil then you ask if it works. It's considered snake oil because it makes claims it can't prove. I know of no independent studies that support their claims.

Sorry I was confusing. I have no interest in trying any Plexus product myself, and I know that they make lots of glorious claims that are backed by tenuous evidence at best. I guess I just wondered if there IS such a thing as "blocking" the blood sugar response to carbs, and what that would entail. (I like to get all the facts before I resort the the "that's not how any of this works!" facepalm. )
I was also secondarily curious about any blood sugar/insulin response to protein.

auddii

I believe there are prescription drugs that can meditate the response to carbs often prescribed to diabetics. But I don't know enough about them to describe the mode of actions; hopefully someone can explain.

AnvilHead

determined_14 wrote: »

I was also secondarily curious about any blood sugar/insulin response to protein.

Protein does create an insulin response. Go to this research review and scroll about a third of the way down the page to the paragraph entitled "Protein is a potent stimulator of insulin too". Krieger discusses/analyzes a couple of studies showing a significant insulin response to protein.

abatonfan

determined_14 wrote: »

So I know that Plexus is a snake oil product and MLM scam, but does anyone know if there is a grain of truth in their "Plexus Block" product? It claims to "block up to 48% of carbs and sugar naturally."
My BS alert immediately starts screaming, but is there any shred of truth to that?
Also, talk to me about blood sugar spikes and insulin response. My husband's brother is diabetic, and my husband says that he can eat as much protein as he wants without having to be concerned about his blood sugar. But I'm sure I've seen knowledgeable people on here talk about an insulin response/blood sugar spike with regards to protein as well as carbs. Am I confused?
Thanks in advance!

Personally, I need to take some insulin to cover protein (I am a type 1 diabetic). Biochemically, protein can "convert" to carbohydrates if the body has a greater need for carbs, and that conversion causes me to see a spike in my BG if the meal has a significant percentage of protein (like 50%+ of the kcals of the meal being from protein).

I'll use 150g of plain nonfat Greek yogurt as an example of what my BG typically does. Let's say my pre-meal BG is 100mg/dL, and I consume the yogurt. It is lunch time, and my insulin to carb ratio is 1:16. The yogurt has 9g of carbs, so I inject 0.56 units of insulin. At the 1.5-hour post-meal mark, my BG might be 140mg/dL. At this point in time, I don't take a correction dose of insulin, because I would still have about 0.25-0.33 units of insulin left to react (with my 1:60mg/dL sensitivity factor, I would anticipate heading down to about 110-125ish at the 4-hour post-meal mark). At the 3-hour post-meal mark, I would often find my BG to still be at 140 or slightly higher because of some of the protein causing my BG to rise. I did not take any insulin to account for the protein; since my pancreas does not produce any insulin, the glucose from the protein simply "chilled out" in my blood until I take a correction dose of insulin to allow it to enter the cells. After I take a correction dose, I would find myself back in target (80-120mg/dL). Often, I prevent this by taking some insulin to account for protein and delivering that additional insulin over an extended period of time through my insulin pump (so that the insulin is delivered over 1 hour instead of 2 minutes).

With the Plexus Block, it reminds me of some of the current type 2 diabetes drugs being advertised. I forget the brand name of it, but it is designed to "send some sugar through the urine". Would plexus block cause some glucose to be lost through urination, which could establish a calorie deficit (if the glucose cannot enter the cells, it cannot be converted to ATP or stored as fat in excess)?

determined_14

Thanks for this explanation! The human body is a strange and miraculous thing.
I'm not sure how Plexus Block is supposed to work, but your theory sounds plausible. I wonder how much of an effect it has and what the possible side effects for such a thing would be. Not interested for myself, just curious from a scientific perspective.

nvmomketo

I know nothing about plexus.
I do know that protein causes a smaller rise in insulin than carbs will. A diet with moderate protein intake will not cause large spikes. Fats don't seem to raise insulin.

For some, eating a very low carb, high fat, moderate protein diet is enough to stabs,I've blood sugar.

auddii

nvmomketo wrote: »

I know nothing about plexus.
I do know that protein causes a smaller rise in insulin than carbs will. A diet with moderate protein intake will not cause large spikes. Fats don't seem to raise insulin.

For some, eating a very low carb, high fat, moderate protein diet is enough to stabs,I've blood sugar.

I really hope you were posting from a phone I'm assuming you're saying high fat/low carb is enough to regulate your blood sugar.

nvmomketo

auddii wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

I know nothing about plexus.
I do know that protein causes a smaller rise in insulin than carbs will. A diet with moderate protein intake will not cause large spikes. Fats don't seem to raise insulin.

For some, eating a very low carb, high fat, moderate protein diet is enough to stabs,I've blood sugar.

I really hope you were posting from a phone I'm assuming you're saying high fat/low carb is enough to regulate your blood sugar.

LOL thank you. Edited below.

nvmomketo wrote: »

I know nothing about plexus.
I do know that protein causes a smaller rise in insulin than carbs will. A diet with moderate protein intake will not cause large spikes. Fats don't seem to raise insulin.

For some, eating a very low carb, high fat, moderate protein diet is enough to stabilize blood sugar.