Be a 'blue zoner'...
scolaris
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Interesting article. I definitely need to incorporate more plant based food in my diet. -at least more that are not from the frozen section in the grocery store
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Interesting article. I definitely need to incorporate more plant based food in my diet. -at least more that are not from the frozen section in the grocery store
Absolutely nothing wrong with frozen fruit and veg - they conserve their nutritional value very well, and often they are picked ripe (as opposed to "fresh" produce meant for export which is often picked underripe) and not treated with additional chemicals for transportation, and usually prepared soon after picking.
In fact they might be better than out -of- season imported fruit and veg.0 -
Adding more plant foods, as Michael Pollan has been suggesting, is a great goal!
In fact, it's my quote on my profile page.
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Wiseandcurious wrote: »Interesting article. I definitely need to incorporate more plant based food in my diet. -at least more that are not from the frozen section in the grocery store
Absolutely nothing wrong with frozen fruit and veg - they conserve their nutritional value very well, and often they are picked ripe (as opposed to "fresh" produce meant for export which is often picked underripe) and not treated with additional chemicals for transportation, and usually prepared soon after picking.
In fact they might be better than out -of- season imported fruit and veg.
Very good points. I'm not sure chemicals have anything to do with it, but out of season watermelon (imo) is kind of gross. I love it normally, but this time of year in ohio the stuff available is no good. -maybe it is the chemicals used in transport.0 -
Wiseandcurious wrote: »Interesting article. I definitely need to incorporate more plant based food in my diet. -at least more that are not from the frozen section in the grocery store
Absolutely nothing wrong with frozen fruit and veg - they conserve their nutritional value very well, and often they are picked ripe (as opposed to "fresh" produce meant for export which is often picked underripe) and not treated with additional chemicals for transportation, and usually prepared soon after picking.
In fact they might be better than out -of- season imported fruit and veg.
Very good points. I'm not sure chemicals have anything to do with it, but out of season watermelon (imo) is kind of gross. I love it normally, but this time of year in ohio the stuff available is no good. -maybe it is the chemicals used in transport.
I don't know if it is chemicals or what but grocery store tomatoes (especially out of season) taste like pumpkin to me. It is the produce section version of biting into a chocolate chip cookie and realizing the chocolate chips are raisins.0 -
Yes, I hate that. Best for a lot of reasons to eat in season!0
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pollypocket1021 wrote: »Wiseandcurious wrote: »Interesting article. I definitely need to incorporate more plant based food in my diet. -at least more that are not from the frozen section in the grocery store
Absolutely nothing wrong with frozen fruit and veg - they conserve their nutritional value very well, and often they are picked ripe (as opposed to "fresh" produce meant for export which is often picked underripe) and not treated with additional chemicals for transportation, and usually prepared soon after picking.
In fact they might be better than out -of- season imported fruit and veg.
Very good points. I'm not sure chemicals have anything to do with it, but out of season watermelon (imo) is kind of gross. I love it normally, but this time of year in ohio the stuff available is no good. -maybe it is the chemicals used in transport.
I don't know if it is chemicals or what but grocery store tomatoes (especially out of season) taste like pumpkin to me. It is the produce section version of biting into a chocolate chip cookie and realizing the chocolate chips are raisins.
My goodness! I thought I was the only one:) what a realization cause I loathe raisin cookies and it's like ew when that happens.0 -
pollypocket1021 wrote: »Wiseandcurious wrote: »Interesting article. I definitely need to incorporate more plant based food in my diet. -at least more that are not from the frozen section in the grocery store
Absolutely nothing wrong with frozen fruit and veg - they conserve their nutritional value very well, and often they are picked ripe (as opposed to "fresh" produce meant for export which is often picked underripe) and not treated with additional chemicals for transportation, and usually prepared soon after picking.
In fact they might be better than out -of- season imported fruit and veg.
Very good points. I'm not sure chemicals have anything to do with it, but out of season watermelon (imo) is kind of gross. I love it normally, but this time of year in ohio the stuff available is no good. -maybe it is the chemicals used in transport.
I don't know if it is chemicals or what but grocery store tomatoes (especially out of season) taste like pumpkin to me. It is the produce section version of biting into a chocolate chip cookie and realizing the chocolate chips are raisins.
Pumpkin doesn't come to mind for me, but often tasteless, probably because they've been refrigerated in transport in addition to picked early. In that I want to eat vegetables in the winter I will eat stuff out of season, but tomatoes are one thing I usually don't. I'd rather use canned.0 -
Wiseandcurious wrote: »Interesting article. I definitely need to incorporate more plant based food in my diet. -at least more that are not from the frozen section in the grocery store
Absolutely nothing wrong with frozen fruit and veg - they conserve their nutritional value very well, and often they are picked ripe (as opposed to "fresh" produce meant for export which is often picked underripe) and not treated with additional chemicals for transportation, and usually prepared soon after picking.
In fact they might be better than out -of- season imported fruit and veg.
Very good points. I'm not sure chemicals have anything to do with it, but out of season watermelon (imo) is kind of gross. I love it normally, but this time of year in ohio the stuff available is no good. -maybe it is the chemicals used in transport.
Apparently frozen veg is actually more nutritious in many cases than 'fresh' supermarket veg. As the nutrients begin to deplete from picking, frozen veg retains more because it is quickly frozen, whereas 'fresh' veg in supermarkets can have been kept in cold storage for a really long time before hitting the shelves.
Of course, this isn't as big a deal if you're shopping at farmers markets and the like, but if you're a supermarket shopper, frozen is definitely just as good, if not better!0 -
On the topic of adding more (and a bigger variety) of plant food, there is a program where I live caled "The good food box" which is essentially a group buying plan for fruit and vegetables, they don't deliver but you can pick up your box at a point near you. They tend to buy local whatever they can and only then turn to import, and most importantly, the variety seems reasonable and we'll get to try things we rarely buy.
I am giving them a call tomorrow to order my first box. Programs lime this should be available in other locations too.0 -
I am On board with all the nasty tomato comments.
We grow them in the summer and can some for the winter but on Sunday we bought some from the store and all I can say is ugh. They were tasteless, acidic, mealy chunks of red that were pushed to the side of the plate.
I am not a big frozen veg eater, peas and corn the exception, I just don't enjoy the texture. Yes, I have tried all methods of cooking. I will be happy sticking with in season fresh- it gives me food breaks and something to look forward to rack season.
Good article @scolaris
Cheers, h.0 -
Wiseandcurious wrote: »On the topic of adding more (and a bigger variety) of plant food, there is a program where I live caled "The good food box" which is essentially a group buying plan for fruit and vegetables, they don't deliver but you can pick up your box at a point near you. They tend to buy local whatever they can and only then turn to import, and most importantly, the variety seems reasonable and we'll get to try things we rarely buy.
I am giving them a call tomorrow to order my first box. Programs lime this should be available in other locations too.
We have something similar here as well.0 -
Somewhat similar, I do a CSA box and supplement with the green market, but the last delivery was just before Christmas (until spring) and there's not much at the green market now for veg and fruit. I still have a ton of root veg and winter squash (cooking some butternut squash, sweet potato, and beets as I type this), but have to supplement with stuff that couldn't possibly grow here now. But that's okay; a number of options tend to be good all year in the supermarket, and frozen have their uses, of course.
The funny thing is I don't usually eat bananas or oranges in the summer/fall since I prefer local fruit, but since near Christmas I've been eating bananas and clementines (was a little tired of apples, which my CSA was also going nuts with). I also got one of those boxes of pears for Christmas from a vendor we use at work, so that's nice! ;-)0 -
Clementines. YUMlemurcat12 wrote: »Somewhat similar, I do a CSA box and supplement with the green market, but the last delivery was just before Christmas (until spring) and there's not much at the green market now for veg and fruit. I still have a ton of root veg and winter squash (cooking some butternut squash, sweet potato, and beets as I type this), but have to supplement with stuff that couldn't possibly grow here now. But that's okay; a number of options tend to be good all year in the supermarket, and frozen have their uses, of course.
The funny thing is I don't usually eat bananas or oranges in the summer/fall since I prefer local fruit, but since near Christmas I've been eating bananas and clementines (was a little tired of apples, which my CSA was also going nuts with). I also got one of those boxes of pears for Christmas from a vendor we use at work, so that's nice! ;-)0 -
I always forget how good they are.0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Clementines. YUMlemurcat12 wrote: »Somewhat similar, I do a CSA box and supplement with the green market, but the last delivery was just before Christmas (until spring) and there's not much at the green market now for veg and fruit. I still have a ton of root veg and winter squash (cooking some butternut squash, sweet potato, and beets as I type this), but have to supplement with stuff that couldn't possibly grow here now. But that's okay; a number of options tend to be good all year in the supermarket, and frozen have their uses, of course.
The funny thing is I don't usually eat bananas or oranges in the summer/fall since I prefer local fruit, but since near Christmas I've been eating bananas and clementines (was a little tired of apples, which my CSA was also going nuts with). I also got one of those boxes of pears for Christmas from a vendor we use at work, so that's nice! ;-)
Yes! Love them as well.0 -
Clementines are like CANDY!! mmmmmm0
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Wiseandcurious wrote: »Interesting article. I definitely need to incorporate more plant based food in my diet. -at least more that are not from the frozen section in the grocery store
Absolutely nothing wrong with frozen fruit and veg - they conserve their nutritional value very well, and often they are picked ripe (as opposed to "fresh" produce meant for export which is often picked underripe) and not treated with additional chemicals for transportation, and usually prepared soon after picking.
In fact they might be better than out -of- season imported fruit and veg.
Very good points. I'm not sure chemicals have anything to do with it, but out of season watermelon (imo) is kind of gross. I love it normally, but this time of year in ohio the stuff available is no good. -maybe it is the chemicals used in transport.
I don't know if watermelons get gassed or not, but I do know that this time of year they didn't come from anywhere near Ohio, and so got picked underripe so they would travel better.
Ethylene gas is used commercially to ripen tomatoes, bananas, pears, and a few other fruits postharvest.0 -
I see Okinawa is a Blue Zone - I lived there for two years in the late 80s. As I biked to work in the AM, I'd see workers doing calisthenics outside together. Also, lots of people biked or walked. The street food was really good. I seem to remember more veggies and less meat compared to American servings, but I may be confusing that with my Thai cookbook, which has more veggies and less meat than what is served in Thai restaurants near me. Also way less overall calories per serving.
Back to Okinawa, I remember when shopping off base that red meat was really, really expensive and fruits and veggies cheap.0 -
Mandarins, clemantines, or satsumas are part of my breakfast everyday I can get them. I feel off if i havent has at least one.
Oddly enough not keen on oranges.
I grow my own leafy veg, rhubarb, apples, raspberries, blueberries, blackberries, green beans and tomatoes.
The fruit I don't mind freezing, but veg I prefer fresh so plant monthly spring to fall and I eat local bought veg in the winter. Used to grow all the cruciferous and root veg too, but found dealing with little worms led to too much waste.
Cheers, h.0 -
Ooh good call Sabine! I love orange & chocolate flavors together.
And I'm similar middlehaitch: I eat more of the tiny citrus & less of the big navels. If I'm going to eat a larger orange it's usually one of those pink cara caras. And don't even get me started on blood oranges. I love those when they're really juicy.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
I see Okinawa is a Blue Zone - I lived there for two years in the late 80s. As I biked to work in the AM, I'd see workers doing calisthenics outside together. Also, lots of people biked or walked. The street food was really good. I seem to remember more veggies and less meat compared to American servings, but I may be confusing that with my Thai cookbook, which has more veggies and less meat than what is served in Thai restaurants near me. Also way less overall calories per serving.
Back to Okinawa, I remember when shopping off base that red meat was really, really expensive and fruits and veggies cheap.
Correct on all counts. At least from what I remember being there in the.... late 80s! I actually lived near some markets that local farmers ran, and they would always be cooking something up at the end of the day. Plenty of bartering to be done if I came home with beer, one of their staples.
And I'm sure quite a few of the discussions in here would hate to read this article and find the below tidbit...
"One thing that probably won't surprise you: Blue Zoners do not eat refined sugars. They skip the convenient packaged foods that we're trained to eat because they're cheap and widely available."0 -
There you go, Robert... lol
Don't turn this into a sugar thread!
Also, the article failed to mention TACOS.
A huge oversight in my opinion.
But still a good read!0 -
robertw486 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »
I see Okinawa is a Blue Zone - I lived there for two years in the late 80s. As I biked to work in the AM, I'd see workers doing calisthenics outside together. Also, lots of people biked or walked. The street food was really good. I seem to remember more veggies and less meat compared to American servings, but I may be confusing that with my Thai cookbook, which has more veggies and less meat than what is served in Thai restaurants near me. Also way less overall calories per serving.
Back to Okinawa, I remember when shopping off base that red meat was really, really expensive and fruits and veggies cheap.
Correct on all counts. At least from what I remember being there in the.... late 80s! I actually lived near some markets that local farmers ran, and they would always be cooking something up at the end of the day. Plenty of bartering to be done if I came home with beer, one of their staples.
And I'm sure quite a few of the discussions in here would hate to read this article and find the below tidbit...
"One thing that probably won't surprise you: Blue Zoners do not eat refined sugars. They skip the convenient packaged foods that we're trained to eat because they're cheap and widely available."
I was at Kadena - where were you?0 -
There you go, Robert... lol
Don't turn this into a sugar thread!
Also, the article failed to mention TACOS.
A huge oversight in my opinion.
But still a good read!
Sadly, I think the only taco I had over there was on the base, and not a great one at that. But the rest of the food made up for it. Yes the food was so good I didn't miss tacos... much.
It is interesting that those areas have people with such long lives. There was a recent show I watched that had a segment about Okinawa and the food culture.kshama2001 wrote: »robertw486 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »
I see Okinawa is a Blue Zone - I lived there for two years in the late 80s. As I biked to work in the AM, I'd see workers doing calisthenics outside together. Also, lots of people biked or walked. The street food was really good. I seem to remember more veggies and less meat compared to American servings, but I may be confusing that with my Thai cookbook, which has more veggies and less meat than what is served in Thai restaurants near me. Also way less overall calories per serving.
Back to Okinawa, I remember when shopping off base that red meat was really, really expensive and fruits and veggies cheap.
Correct on all counts. At least from what I remember being there in the.... late 80s! I actually lived near some markets that local farmers ran, and they would always be cooking something up at the end of the day. Plenty of bartering to be done if I came home with beer, one of their staples.
And I'm sure quite a few of the discussions in here would hate to read this article and find the below tidbit...
"One thing that probably won't surprise you: Blue Zoners do not eat refined sugars. They skip the convenient packaged foods that we're trained to eat because they're cheap and widely available."
I was at Kadena - where were you?
I was at Camp Kinser, but actually lived outside of Kadena for a period of time.
And I would pay good money to have a deli like that one in the bar district that everyone went to late at night. That place was amazing!0 -
robertw486 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »
I see Okinawa is a Blue Zone - I lived there for two years in the late 80s. As I biked to work in the AM, I'd see workers doing calisthenics outside together. Also, lots of people biked or walked. The street food was really good. I seem to remember more veggies and less meat compared to American servings, but I may be confusing that with my Thai cookbook, which has more veggies and less meat than what is served in Thai restaurants near me. Also way less overall calories per serving.
Back to Okinawa, I remember when shopping off base that red meat was really, really expensive and fruits and veggies cheap.
Correct on all counts. At least from what I remember being there in the.... late 80s! I actually lived near some markets that local farmers ran, and they would always be cooking something up at the end of the day. Plenty of bartering to be done if I came home with beer, one of their staples.
And I'm sure quite a few of the discussions in here would hate to read this article and find the below tidbit...
"One thing that probably won't surprise you: Blue Zoners do not eat refined sugars. They skip the convenient packaged foods that we're trained to eat because they're cheap and widely available."
I would hate it because it is an overstatement. People in Okinawa certainly eat refined sugars, just not to the extent SAD eaters do.
I also don't imagine the word dolce exists only in Mainland Italy and not at all in the Sardinian dialect.
I'm glad you've noted there are a few people on MFP interested in factual accuracy Robert.0 -
See? There it goes....
I have in laws in northern Italy. I've lived with them, marketed with them, cooked with them. They do enjoy a sweet. But it is a TRICKLE of sugar compared to the average American's diet.
But go ahead & think whatever the heck you want in your little bubble sweetie!0 -
Great memories Robert! Japan is on my bucket list.0
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