Has anyone else noticed.....
NewSue52
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the mounting body of evidence that high carb, low fat diets are part of the problem not part of the solution?
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Evidence? No
Conjecture and anecdotes? Yes0 -
I eat high carb and have lost all my excess weight? Anecdotal yes0
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If someone doesn't feel full on a high carbohydrate/low fat diet and they eat additional calories to compensate, I can see why that would create a problem. Do I think carbohydrates, in themselves, are a problem? No, I don't see the evidence for that.0
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the mounting body of evidence that high carb, low fat diets are part of the problem not part of the solution?
There are plenty of people here on both sides of this debate who could go round and round on this. But if you want it to be a meaningful thread, it might help to present some of that mounting evidence for those of us who aren't familiar with it.
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If eating carbs makes you overeat, then yes.
But for many here, myself being one of them, you can eat high carbs and lose weight as long as you're in a calorie deficit.0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »Evidence? No
Conjecture and anecdotes? Yes
Agree. Moreover, not all carbs and fats are equal. As quick examples, there is solid scientific evidence going back decades regarding the health benefits of dietary fibre (carbs) and the negative effects of trans-fatty acids. So, it is complex. Plus, individual physiology plays a role, hence a new trend towards personalised medicine and nutrition.0 -
I've noticed a mounting body of evidence that eating more than one burns makes one gain fat, regardless of the macronutrients involved.
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows the body needs a moderate amount of fats for healthy function (joint health, hormone production, etc.).
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows that sufficient protein intake is key for maintaining/building lean body mass (aka desired body composition).
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows that carbs aren't the devil, despite what mainstream media and popular fads would tell you.
Eat all the macros!!!0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »Evidence? No
Conjecture and anecdotes? Yes
/clap end thread. A recent study by Kevin Hall even found no difference along with past works.0 -
What's considered high carb?0
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The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.0
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Ludwig is a well known quack.0
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The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.
One interview with one person (who...by the way...has a vested interest in promoting this because he *surprise* has a diet book to sell) does not constitute a mounting body of evidence.0 -
The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.
Just because someone says something doesn't make it true. When you write about the "mounting body of evidence" are you talking about anything besides interviews with Ludwig?0 -
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Carlos_421 wrote: »I've noticed a mounting body of evidence that eating more than one burns makes one gain fat, regardless of the macronutrients involved.
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows the body needs a moderate amount of fats for healthy function (joint health, hormone production, etc.).
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows that sufficient protein intake is key for maintaining/building lean body mass (aka desired body composition).
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows that carbs aren't the devil, despite what mainstream media and popular fads would tell you.
Eat all the macros!!!
This, eat them all!0 -
The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.
Here's a link to the article, in case anyone else was interested: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/rethinking-weight-loss-and-the-reasons-were-always-hungry/?_r=0
I want to like him, but he lost me at the bolded. Anyone care to comment, especially anyone with Type 1 diabetes?
Q. If it’s not overeating, then what is the underlying cause of obesity?
A. It’s the low fat, very high carbohydrate diet that we’ve been eating for the last 40 years, which raises levels of the hormone insulin and programs fat cells to go into calorie storage overdrive. I like to think of insulin as the ultimate fat cell fertilizer.
When someone with Type 1 diabetes first comes to attention, their blood sugar is high because they can’t make enough insulin. They invariably have lost weight. They may be eating 5,000 calories a day, and they’re still losing weight. You can’t gain weight without insulin. The opposite is also true. If you give someone with diabetes too much insulin, they will inevitably gain weight. Insulin programs the body to store calories, and most of those calories get stored in the fat cells. If you’ve got too much insulin, you’re going to store too many calories. This has been very well established scientifically.
Q. How do you get your obese patients to lower their insulin?
A. The quickest way to lower insulin is to cut back on processed carbohydrates and to get the right balance of protein and fat in your diet. A high fat diet is really the fastest way to shift metabolism. It lowers insulin, calms fat cells down and gets people out of the cycle of hunger, craving and overeating.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.
Here's a link to the article, in case anyone else was interested: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/rethinking-weight-loss-and-the-reasons-were-always-hungry/?_r=0
Q. What is the basic message of your book?
A. The basic premise is that overeating doesn’t make you fat.
Full stop. That right there should cause any thinking person to completely discount that idiot as a complete quack.0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.
Here's a link to the article, in case anyone else was interested: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/rethinking-weight-loss-and-the-reasons-were-always-hungry/?_r=0
Q. What is the basic message of your book?
A. The basic premise is that overeating doesn’t make you fat.
Full stop. That right there should cause any thinking person to completely discount that idiot as a complete quack.
yup....... once i hear that anything else they have to say doesn't matter....0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.
Here's a link to the article, in case anyone else was interested: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/rethinking-weight-loss-and-the-reasons-were-always-hungry/?_r=0
Q. What is the basic message of your book?
A. The basic premise is that overeating doesn’t make you fat.
Full stop. That right there should cause any thinking person to completely discount that idiot as a complete quack.
I'm curious to know what he thinks the body DOES with excess calories if they don't cause you to gain weight.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.
Here's a link to the article, in case anyone else was interested: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/rethinking-weight-loss-and-the-reasons-were-always-hungry/?_r=0
Q. What is the basic message of your book?
A. The basic premise is that overeating doesn’t make you fat.
Full stop. That right there should cause any thinking person to completely discount that idiot as a complete quack.
I'm curious to know what he thinks the body DOES with excess calories if they don't cause you to gain weight.
Thank you for the set up for my favorite all time gif
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janejellyroll wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.
Here's a link to the article, in case anyone else was interested: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/rethinking-weight-loss-and-the-reasons-were-always-hungry/?_r=0
Q. What is the basic message of your book?
A. The basic premise is that overeating doesn’t make you fat.
Full stop. That right there should cause any thinking person to completely discount that idiot as a complete quack.
I'm curious to know what he thinks the body DOES with excess calories if they don't cause you to gain weight.
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I love to eat high carb and I am not any more hungry than when I was overeating and gained/maintained my obese body. I find that I don't enjoy many fatty foods because of the calorie count... I'll rather eat a bigger amount of something low fat, but that's just my preference.0
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For me, proteins are more satiating and help me curb the hunger pangs and resist over-eating (I believe studies have found as much). That's why I tend to tilt toward higher protein. Give me a scrambled egg breakfast and I can go longer than with toast or oatmeal or a croissant. So those protein calories aren't fewer calories -- they are not different, magical, 'no count' calories, they count just the same -- but they seem to help me ingest fewer extra calories later on in the day.
(Alcohol calories, meanwhile, do the opposite. They release the inhibitions and make me think: 'what the hey - I want those potato chips, damn the torpedoes, screw tomorrow'. )
So yes, of course, CICO -- but there's the self control satiety angle that affects CI and is very important too. It am willing to imagine it is fairly individual.0 -
I'm a vegetarian and I tend to eat high carb, moderately high fat, and lower protein. It's not intentional, per se, just that most protein sources I eat have high carb counts (ie beans), or higher fat counts (ie eggs). Hasn't been problematic for weight loss. When I first came to MFP I was so worried the higher carbs would prevent me from losing weight because I was an "endomorph." Yeah, it really was broscience, THANK GOD!0
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Carlos_421 wrote: »I've noticed a mounting body of evidence that eating more than one burns makes one gain fat, regardless of the macronutrients involved.
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows the body needs a moderate amount of fats for healthy function (joint health, hormone production, etc.).
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows that sufficient protein intake is key for maintaining/building lean body mass (aka desired body composition).
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows that carbs aren't the devil, despite what mainstream media and popular fads would tell you.
Eat all the macros!!!
Can I eat my macros and yours too? I'm really hungry today. #kthx0 -
For me, yes.0
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Carlos_421 wrote: »I've noticed a mounting body of evidence that eating more than one burns makes one gain fat, regardless of the macronutrients involved.
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows the body needs a moderate amount of fats for healthy function (joint health, hormone production, etc.).
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows that sufficient protein intake is key for maintaining/building lean body mass (aka desired body composition).
I've also noticed a mounting body of evidence that shows that carbs aren't the devil, despite what mainstream media and popular fads would tell you.
Eat all the macros!!!
Can I eat my macros and yours too? I'm really hungry today. #kthx
Should've asked yesterday. Today is back day which means deadlifts and lots of other assorted heavy pulls which means "touch my food and I'll cut you."0 -
The New York Times has an interview today with David Ludwig, a well-respected nutrition researcher from Harvard. He says that HCLF messes with your hormones and causes you to be more hungry. That why people who lose weight put it back on.
Not well respected among people that actually follow well reasoned diet science.0
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