Herbalife????

hustled77

Whats your thoughts please?

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queenliz99

http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10313389/herbal-life#latest

sheermomentum

What is it that you want to accomplish?

AnvilHead

Beast_Mode_Engaged wrote: »

Pyramid scheme and waste of money.

^ Seconded. On both counts.

hustled77

sheermomentum What is it that you want to accomplish?[/quote]

Just after people's honest opinions, rather than of someone trying to sell me something.

Or did you mean my personal goals, if so weight loss with without losing too much muscle

AnvilHead

Any weight loss product, fat burner, etc. that you can legally buy does absolutely nothing but take your money - despite what their slick advertising/marketing claims. It doesn't matter if it's the MLM scammers (Herbalife, Beachbody, Advocare, ItWorks, etc.) or the Dr. Oz-endorsed garbage you can buy at GNC or Walmart. None of them work. The supplement industry is basically unregulated, so they can make nearly any claim they want as long as they put the little FDA disclaimer somewhere on the package (in illegible 2-point type).

To lose weight without losing too much muscle, keep a reasonable calorie deficit (500 calories or so), get adequate protein (0.8 - 1.0 g per pound of body mass) and do a structured strength training program which includes adequate progression. Don't waste your money on bogus products which will do absolutely nothing to help you reach your goals.

hustled77

Thanks for the reply, yes that's kind of what I wanted to here, I've read up lots about herbalife and that's the kind of conclusion I had come too but wanted to check in case I had got it wrong.

Lots of people in my area are using it but to me it seems far too expensive. Thanks for the advise

AnvilHead

hustled77 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply, yes that's kind of what I wanted to here, I've read up lots about herbalife and that's the kind of conclusion I had come too but wanted to check in case I had got it wrong.

Lots of people in my area are using it but to me it seems far too expensive. Thanks for the advise

Far too expensive especially when it does nothing, lol. If you read the small print on any of the weight loss supplements, somewhere it will usually include a disclaimer something to the effect of "* when used with a proper diet and exercise program". The diet and exercise program is what's giving the results, not the snake oil they're selling.

cross2bear

All the programs such as Herbalife, Weight Watchers, any supplements etc, work on the psychology of humans, not on their specific goals! Something that COSTS something you value (whether it is time or money or whatever) can result in greater success simply because you have invested something of value, and you want to get that value back from the program or product. That is the psychology that has people buying (literally) into these programs. Another psychological hook is that by attending the sessions, you are accountable to someone ELSE for your success (or not). The reality is that with a shift in mind set - valuing your own efforts and yourself, being accountable to yourself or a community such as MFP) you can achieve your goals without spending an extra dime. So ultimately, you have to ask yourself the question "Is it worth $5000 (or whatever) for me to get positive feedback and encouragement from some complete stranger'?

kimny72

Rarely can a human consume the adequate amount of nutrients to fuel a body properly which is why supplements can play a vital wellness role for many especially when exercise is part of their daily lifestyle, it's crucial.

I would respectfully disagree. If you eat a varied, balanced diet you should get enough macro and micro nutrients to fuel your body properly for exercise.

Edited to add: the post I replied to has been deleted, but I think my point still applies to the thread, so I'll leave it here.

TeaBea

hustled77 wrote: »

sheermomentum What is it that you want to accomplish?

Just after people's honest opinions, rather than of someone trying to sell me something.

Or did you mean my personal goals, if so weight loss with without losing too much muscle

Shakes don't help you keep muscle necessarily.

Keeping muscle while eating at a deficit requires eating enough calories, eating enough protein and strength training. If you find you don't meet protein goals, then protein supplements are a good addition.

Meal replacement shakes help you lose weight by making portion control and calorie counting easier (been there done that). HOWEVER, keeping weight off requires that you make some changes. Logging real food has helped me to figure out that my portion sizes were out of whack. Logging real food is such a good learning experience.

debrakgoogins

cross2bear wrote: »

All the programs such as Herbalife, Weight Watchers, any supplements etc, work on the psychology of humans, not on their specific goals!

I agree with the other things you said but not one thing. Weight Watchers helps people learn better portion control. There are no magic shakes or detox teas. What it doesn't do is teach calorie intake or macros because you use points for the food you eat instead of learning about the specific values of each food you are eating. They are one of the more commercial diet programs that does work.

Wetcoaster

Herbalife may not be a Ponzi scheme. But its science is definitely garbage

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/23/5929209/herbalife-may-not-be-a-ponzi-scheme-but-its-pseudoscience

cross2bear

debrakgoogins wrote: »

cross2bear wrote: »

All the programs such as Herbalife, Weight Watchers, any supplements etc, work on the psychology of humans, not on their specific goals!

I agree with the other things you said but not one thing. Weight Watchers helps people learn better portion control. There are no magic shakes or detox teas. What it doesn't do is teach calorie intake or macros because you use points for the food you eat instead of learning about the specific values of each food you are eating. They are one of the more commercial diet programs that does work.

Weight Watchers is hugely successful - and even more so now that Oprah Winfrey is associating herself with the company. But ultimately, they are still charging you for feedback, and for teaching you a program that as you note yourself, contains flaws.