I think I missed the Clean Eating memo...
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ilovediatoms wrote: »
That's exactly the point there is NOTHING unhealthy about Pepperoni Pizza, so long as you don't sit down and consume so much of it that you are way over your calorie limits. Food is not unhealthy, so long as it is consumed in moderate and sensible amounts and eaten as part of a balanced diet.
If you are only eating Pepperoni Pizza, then yeah, you will probably get to a point where you are having problems because your not going to be getting balanced levels of macros needed to maintain a healthy body but if pizza fits in with your calorie goals and your macro goals then there is no reason why you can't have it as often as you like.
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Kale soup
It will never be a good sub for anything especially spaghetti bolognese. You can sneak some extra veggies into it and bulk it up but honestly I'd just make room that day in my calories for a serving.
There are better greens available both in nutrition and taste if you ever did want green soup.0 -
ilovediatoms wrote: »if you clicked on the link i provided, that's what it says, minus the milk. i mentioned sugar because if you don't make your own sauce (many people don't), store-bought jars of sauce generally have added sugar.
and like i said before, eat what you want, just be objective about the nutrition
But it still doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the store-bought jars have added sugar, so long as you are eating it as part of a balanced diet. So you get some extra sugar in your spag bol, you eat a little less sugar from something else instead. Diet balances out and the outcome for the body is the same.0 -
ilovediatoms wrote: »
Oh, you get it now.0 -
Whenever I hear these experts touting their advice, a little voice pops into my head and says "Whatever, I do what I want", complete with the snapping fingers.
Seriously, everybody has an opinion on what's healthy. I just let those opinions roll off me. I like to practice moderation. Others like to be more restrictive. It comes down to, you do you and they do them. Keep your Spagbol. It's clearly something you like and it works for you.0 -
ilovediatoms wrote: »muscleandbeard wrote: »
I'm sorry but I literally cringe when I read stuff like this.What you eat doesn't really matter. You only need to eat at a calorie deficit to lose weight me too
homemade spaghetti bolognese may be lower in calories than pizza, but it's not much healthier...think about it: depending on the type of pasta, you're still getting processed, high glycemic carbs, just like from the pizza crust. if you use sauce from a jar, it's typically full of added sugar and sodium. and then most people make their bolognese sauce with ground beef (here's a recipe that i am using to make broad generalizations), and it's generally accepted that ground beef is not particularly healthy (although lean red meat is a good source of iron when used in moderation).
now, if you make your own sauce (to ensure no added sugar or excess salt), use lean ground turkey, add extra veggies (i add carrots, spinach and bell peppers to my red sauce) and pick a low-glycemic pasta (or use zucchini noodles or spaghetti squash), then i would say that is a healthy spag bol.
please don't kid yourself that traditional spaghetti bolognese is healthy, though.
if you want to eat it, by all means, that's your prerogative, but be realistic about the nutritional value.
i'm not pretending that i have a picture perfect diet, but i also don't pretend that a bacon cheeseburger or lasagna is healthy just because i made it at home.
and i can't even get started on boxed cereal...
pop quiz...what's the difference between 93% lean ground beef and 93% lean ground turkey?
I also don't make my bolognese from jarred sauce...I make my own sauce...and yeah, I use ground beef. And there's nothing inherently wrong with pasta when eaten in appropriate portions...so I fail to see any of your points as particularly valid.
My pasta bolognese actually has a pretty good nutritional profile and macro breakdown...0 -
ilovediatoms wrote: »if you clicked on the link i provided, that's what it says, minus the milk. i mentioned sugar because if you don't make your own sauce (many people don't), store-bought jars of sauce generally have added sugar.
and like i said before, eat what you want, just be objective about the nutrition
So?0 -
Trust me lady, I feel ya! I remember when I told someone I was trying to create a healthier version of something (can't remember what it was) and he shamed and slammed me because I was using turkey or chicken breast. He's a vegan so anything from an animal would not be considered clean to him. Basically laughed at my efforts and discounted everything and I'm sitting there with the "Dayum....at least I'm trying" look on my face. In my opinion, eating clean is subjective. For some, it's organic greens and fortified dirt and for others it's "Hey....it's not a cheeseburger." LMBO. I feel that clean eating is the process in when a person is making healthier food choices to accommodate their journey to a healthier lifestyle.0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »ilovediatoms wrote: »muscleandbeard wrote: »
I'm sorry but I literally cringe when I read stuff like this.What you eat doesn't really matter. You only need to eat at a calorie deficit to lose weight me too
homemade spaghetti bolognese may be lower in calories than pizza, but it's not much healthier...think about it: depending on the type of pasta, you're still getting processed, high glycemic carbs, just like from the pizza crust. if you use sauce from a jar, it's typically full of added sugar and sodium. and then most people make their bolognese sauce with ground beef (here's a recipe that i am using to make broad generalizations), and it's generally accepted that ground beef is not particularly healthy (although lean red meat is a good source of iron when used in moderation).
now, if you make your own sauce (to ensure no added sugar or excess salt), use lean ground turkey, add extra veggies (i add carrots, spinach and bell peppers to my red sauce) and pick a low-glycemic pasta (or use zucchini noodles or spaghetti squash), then i would say that is a healthy spag bol.
please don't kid yourself that traditional spaghetti bolognese is healthy, though.
if you want to eat it, by all means, that's your prerogative, but be realistic about the nutritional value.
i'm not pretending that i have a picture perfect diet, but i also don't pretend that a bacon cheeseburger or lasagna is healthy just because i made it at home.
and i can't even get started on boxed cereal...
pop quiz...what's the difference between 93% lean ground beef and 93% lean ground turkey?
I also don't make my bolognese from jarred sauce...I make my own sauce...and yeah, I use ground beef. And there's nothing inherently wrong with pasta when eaten in appropriate portions...so I fail to see any of your points as particularly valid.
My pasta bolognese actually has a pretty good nutritional profile and macro breakdown...
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kshama2001 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I made this and it was goooood. Spinach or kale, whatevs.
http://sharedappetite.com/recipes/rustic-tuscan-style-sausage-white-bean-and-kale-soup/
Portuguese Sausage and Kale soup is so popular here they include it in the soup bar in the supermarkets.
I think it's popular everywhere. Popular here in Chicago, and I saw it at the Safeway in my parent's town in the Pacific NW.0 -
ilovediatoms wrote: »if you clicked on the link i provided, that's what it says, minus the milk. i mentioned sugar because if you don't make your own sauce (many people don't), store-bought jars of sauce generally have added sugar.
and like i said before, eat what you want, just be objective about the nutrition
OP specified making her own sauce.
Btw, the claim about store-bought sauces (which I avoid because I am a sauce snob) being full of added sugar seems highly misleading. The labels don't separate naturally occurring and added. I have a recipe for a homemade meat sauce with lean ground beef (from a local farm, I don't think ground beef is unhealthy in moderation--I much prefer eating a variety of meats, but I digress), lots of added vegetables including spinach, zucchini, a base of carrots, onion and celery, and of course tomatoes, NO added sugar. The sugar count was the same as for at least one popular storebought brand. Tomatoes and onions and other veg have sugar. I am sure there's some added sugar in the sauce (my Fundamentals of Italian Cooking book recommends adding a bit of sugar to a marinara, although I never have, and that's what those sauces often are), but the idea that it's tons or makes the sauce unhealthy seems off-base to me.
Also, beyond a fun meatball recipe I played with on Thanksgiving, ground turkey depresses me.0 -
I make my own meat sauce too (I know it's not really Bolognese so I don't call it that, but whatever).
But for what it's worth... A satisfying amount of pasta and meat sauce for me is about 550 calories. I can make a cheeseburger for 400 calories (160 cal patty, 140 calories bun, 50 calories cheese, 50 calories of random condiments).
So just make yourself a cheeseburger...0 -
ilovediatoms wrote: »
But if I ate a nutritious breakfast and lunch, with plenty of veggies and lean protein, and had enough calories left, what's "unhealthy" about having a couple of slices of pizza or a serving of spaghetti bolognese for dinner? Everything requires context.0 -
I make my own meat sauce too (I know it's not really Bolognese so I don't call it that, but whatever).
I don't either, but in the UK it seems to be used for meat sauce in general (based on what I've learned from the discussions here and British TV shows). I could be wrong, though.0 -
ilovediatoms wrote: »
Haha true.0 -
I buy absolutely loads of Kale, the bunnies love it.....0
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I don't see what's that unhealthy about lean beef mince with cooked tomatoes, onion and garlic, and some pasta.
Sure, OP might be using high fat mince, jarred sauce laden with sugar, and really piling on the pasta and cheese. And that would arguably be unhealthy. But since OP gave no indication they do, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.0 -
I hate this sort of thinking and I think it leads to orthorexia.
I know someone who won't eat a banana because of it's sugar content. Who won't eat fat unless it came from an avocado. Who thinks olive oil has 'too many carcinogens'. This clean eating has gone mental.
Food is for energy, for protein and for essential micronutrients. You can't get a ton of vitamins from spaghetti and you can't live on kale. It's about balance and being sensible, if I spent life worring about the nutritional content of everything that goes in my mouth, well that would be a miserable existence.0
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