Foods to Avoid
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queenliz99 wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »Meat ... because it's murder. Is fill your plate with a dead carcass worth the price of your soul?
(I don't have a scientific study to back up my claims of a existence of a soul and how it might be lost)
Vegetarian Shout Out! Wooo!
Says a squirrel. Lol
One of the links posted says that nuts are bad for weight loss.
Sorry, squirrel.0 -
makingmark wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
It isn't that people don't agree. It is that you are positing an opinion that has no basis in facts. It isn't helpful to the question asked by the original poster.
One of the biggest problems with people looking to lose weight is all the misinformation out there that is either calling one kind of food a superfood you can eat all you want of, or demonizing a type of food as a weight loss killer. You CAN eat what you want as long as your calories fit within your calorie in measures. You can find about 999 out 1000 articles on weight loss on the internet that are either total bs or roughly the same equivalent. MFP at least is a place where that stuff isn't welcome.
That stuff isn't welcome on MFP??? All of the blogs about fitness and weight loss posted by the site are presented very similarly to what I shared. I merely expressed an opinion, and shared links. We're all smart adults, and we can all come to our own conclusions. And I can share what I feel is relevant to the topic. If you feel like my opinion is wrong, that is fine. I'm the only one living by it.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »Meat ... because it's murder. Is fill your plate with a dead carcass worth the price of your soul?
(I don't have a scientific study to back up my claims of a existence of a soul and how it might be lost)
Vegetarian Shout Out! Wooo!
Says a squirrel. Lol
One of the links posted says that nuts are bad for weight loss.
Sorry, squirrel.
Not squirrels though0 -
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I avoid cilantro because I hate the taste of it.
But I lost around 25lbs and dropped several sizes while still enjoying pizza, burgers, margaritas, ice cream, etc, and have kept it off for several years.
Calorie deficit, that's all ya need to lose weight - preferably a small deficit to lose fat and hang onto that good muscle.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »Meat ... because it's murder. Is fill your plate with a dead carcass worth the price of your soul?
(I don't have a scientific study to back up my claims of a existence of a soul and how it might be lost)
Vegetarian Shout Out! Wooo!
Says a squirrel. Lol
One of the links posted says that nuts are bad for weight loss.
Sorry, squirrel.
No! My heart is broken and not just because of plague residue on my veins. Also my whole world view has been shattered. I think I have to go sit in a tree for a while.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.
Alright I'll accept that, but another weakness is that it was done with only 72 people, and they don't say anything about the demographic break up. 72 people is nothing compared to the 12000 children nation wide studied for the Washington post. To me, a study done with 72 people isn't worth much at all.
LOLOL. That's because you have no understanding of the difference between observational studies and randomized controlled trials, nor their relative values. Nor causation vs. correlation. Nor apparently any basic concepts which have to do with the validity/reliability of studies.0 -
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samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.
Alright I'll accept that, but another weakness is that it was done with only 72 people, and they don't say anything about the demographic break up. 72 people is nothing compared to the 12000 children nation wide studied for the Washington post. To me, a study done with 72 people isn't worth much at all.
LOLOL. That's because you have no understanding of the difference between observational studies and randomized controlled trials, nor their relative values. Nor causation vs. correlation. Nor apparently any basic concepts which have to do with the validity/reliability of studies.
Sure buddy. So you're saying the article and study are worthless? Go ahead and tell me what I don't understand. I'll be over here losing weight. Thanks for the motivation to cut out dairy completely.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.
Alright I'll accept that, but another weakness is that it was done with only 72 people, and they don't say anything about the demographic break up. 72 people is nothing compared to the 12000 children nation wide studied for the Washington post. To me, a study done with 72 people isn't worth much at all.
LOLOL. That's because you have no understanding of the difference between observational studies and randomized controlled trials, nor their relative values. Nor causation vs. correlation. Nor apparently any basic concepts which have to do with the validity/reliability of studies.
Sure buddy. So you're saying the article and study are worthless? Go ahead and tell me what I don't understand. I'll be over here losing weight. Thanks for the motivation to cut out dairy completely.
I'm already almost 30 pounds down and I consume dairy (milk, whey/casein, cheese, yogurt, etc.) multiple times per day. Go ahead and give me a shout when you catch up.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.
Alright I'll accept that, but another weakness is that it was done with only 72 people, and they don't say anything about the demographic break up. 72 people is nothing compared to the 12000 children nation wide studied for the Washington post. To me, a study done with 72 people isn't worth much at all.
The problem is you are comparing apples to oranges. It was 12000 children with no other controls. I don't know what kids are like today, but I know I ate lots of things I never told my mom about. That simple fact would cause issues. As I said, correlation is not causation.
That is why studies where you take a group of people and seek to control variables to allow for coming to some conclusion on causality. 72 is actually a pretty good size for a study like this, both because it is difficult to get people who are willing to follow the strict guidelines. Notice they started with 90, but 28 were eliminated during the run up. That would have been because of non-compliance.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
If anyone is paying attention, many studies can be found at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov. Washington Post not so much.
Anyway, another thread has gone off on a tangent.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.
Alright I'll accept that, but another weakness is that it was done with only 72 people, and they don't say anything about the demographic break up. 72 people is nothing compared to the 12000 children nation wide studied for the Washington post. To me, a study done with 72 people isn't worth much at all.
LOLOL. That's because you have no understanding of the difference between observational studies and randomized controlled trials, nor their relative values. Nor causation vs. correlation. Nor apparently any basic concepts which have to do with the validity/reliability of studies.
Sure buddy. So you're saying the article and study are worthless? Go ahead and tell me what I don't understand. I'll be over here losing weight. Thanks for the motivation to cut out dairy completely.
No, that is not what he is saying. He is saying that an observational study can at best show a correlation, that requires randomized controlled trials to prove anything. Most people do not understand this, they simply do what you are doing, look at the number of subjects without realizing the huge number of factors that could throw things off.
The best example of this was given to me 20 years ago in a university statistics and logic course, something I think should be required for every college and university student, back when there was extensive debate about whether smoking caused lung cancer. An observational study of the time found that people who were frequent coffee drinkers suffered from more incidence of lung cancer. As with most observational studies the numbers were quite large. So, from that should people have concluded coffee causes lung cancer, or perhaps is there something else that link lung cancer to coffee consumption that would explain this? The answer is most people who smoke also drink coffee, often doing it at the same time. Correlation does not equal causation.
In the observational study of 12000 children one runs into the same issue. Without careful control of confounding variables one cannot come to any solid conclusion based on it. All it can do is say that randomized trials with good controls have to be done.0 -
rileysowner wrote: »No, that is not what he is saying. He is saying that an observational study can at best show a correlation, that requires randomized controlled trials to prove anything. Most people do not understand this, they simply do what you are doing, look at the number of subjects without realizing the huge number of factors that could throw things off.
The best example of this was given to me 20 years ago in a university statistics and logic course, something I think should be required for every college and university student, back when there was extensive debate about whether smoking caused lung cancer. An observational study of the time found that people who were frequent coffee drinkers suffered from more incidence of lung cancer. As with most observational studies the numbers were quite large. So, from that should people have concluded coffee causes lung cancer, or perhaps is there something else that link lung cancer to coffee consumption that would explain this? The answer is most people who smoke also drink coffee, often doing it at the same time. Correlation does not equal causation.
In the observational study of 12000 children one runs into the same issue. Without careful control of confounding variables one cannot come to any solid conclusion based on it. All it can do is say that randomized trials with good controls have to be done.
Observational study:
"20,000 fat people were observed exercising. Therefore, we came to the conclusion that exercise makes you fat."
Randomized controlled trial (simplified):
"The trial was divided into two groups of 20 people each; one which consumed a 1500-calorie diet and did no exercise (NE), one which consumed a 1500-calorie diet and performed 60 minutes of moderate cardio exercise per day (EX). The trial lasted six weeks. At the end of the trial, the NE group had lost an average of 1.2 lbs and the EX group had lost an average of 4.7 lbs. (p<0.05). It was concluded that exercise is a useful adjunct to weight loss."
One study observed 20,000 people. The other study observed 40 people. Which one is more credible and which one differentiates between correlation and causation?0 -
I've lost 65 lbs since last July and the only foods I've completely sworn off are hog fries and durian fruit.0
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rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.
Alright I'll accept that, but another weakness is that it was done with only 72 people, and they don't say anything about the demographic break up. 72 people is nothing compared to the 12000 children nation wide studied for the Washington post. To me, a study done with 72 people isn't worth much at all.
LOLOL. That's because you have no understanding of the difference between observational studies and randomized controlled trials, nor their relative values. Nor causation vs. correlation. Nor apparently any basic concepts which have to do with the validity/reliability of studies.
Sure buddy. So you're saying the article and study are worthless? Go ahead and tell me what I don't understand. I'll be over here losing weight. Thanks for the motivation to cut out dairy completely.
No, that is not what he is saying. He is saying that an observational study can at best show a correlation, that requires randomized controlled trials to prove anything. Most people do not understand this, they simply do what you are doing, look at the number of subjects without realizing the huge number of factors that could throw things off.
The best example of this was given to me 20 years ago in a university statistics and logic course, something I think should be required for every college and university student, back when there was extensive debate about whether smoking caused lung cancer. An observational study of the time found that people who were frequent coffee drinkers suffered from more incidence of lung cancer. As with most observational studies the numbers were quite large. So, from that should people have concluded coffee causes lung cancer, or perhaps is there something else that link lung cancer to coffee consumption that would explain this? The answer is most people who smoke also drink coffee, often doing it at the same time. Correlation does not equal causation.
In the observational study of 12000 children one runs into the same issue. Without careful control of confounding variables one cannot come to any solid conclusion based on it. All it can do is say that randomized trials with good controls have to be done.
OK I took statistics too. All I am saying is that those statistics are interesting, and not "woo" in my opinion. I never treated them like they were fact.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »Losing four pounds per week is not realistic; two pounds per week isn't even too realistic unless you have a lot of weight to lose. You shouldn't avoid any foods unless you have a medical reason for doing so. The only foods to avoid are foods that bring you over your daily calorie limit, whether it's an apple or a piece of cake. If you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight.
I don't agree. Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
B.S. Pure and simple.
+1. I don't like regular milk but I've lost weight eating fat free yogurt, cottage cheese and regular cheese. It's good protein and I don't feel hungry for a long time afterwards. These foods also don't effect my blood sugar the way some foods do.
According to WebMD: Adults who ate or drank the highest amount of dairy per day -- about 12 ounces of milk or 580 milligrams of dairy calcium -- at six months lost about 12 pounds at the end of the two-year study. People who got the least amount of calcium from dairy foods -- about 150 milligrams of dairy calcium, or half of a glass of milk per day -- lost 7 pounds after two years. Higher levels of vitamin D in the blood were also linked with successful weight loss, the study showed.
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/20100922/milk-drinkers-may-lose-more-weight0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.
Alright I'll accept that, but another weakness is that it was done with only 72 people, and they don't say anything about the demographic break up. 72 people is nothing compared to the 12000 children nation wide studied for the Washington post. To me, a study done with 72 people isn't worth much at all.
LOLOL. That's because you have no understanding of the difference between observational studies and randomized controlled trials, nor their relative values. Nor causation vs. correlation. Nor apparently any basic concepts which have to do with the validity/reliability of studies.
Sure buddy. So you're saying the article and study are worthless? Go ahead and tell me what I don't understand. I'll be over here losing weight. Thanks for the motivation to cut out dairy completely.
I'm already almost 30 pounds down and I consume dairy (milk, whey/casein, cheese, yogurt, etc.) multiple times per day. Go ahead and give me a shout when you catch up.
Never got that overweight so i'd be 110 lbs if I lost 30 lbs. My goal weight is 125.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
Not misleading at all, the study was very clear on the controls, you just didn't read past the opening paragraph:
"The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber ..."0 -
Marilyn0924 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
Not misleading at all, the study was very clear on the controls, you just didn't read past the opening paragraph:
"The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber ..."
I'm glad to see there are other people who understand how to read/interpret randomized controlled trials here. LOL.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »Meat ... because it's murder. Is fill your plate with a dead carcass worth the price of your soul?
(I don't have a scientific study to back up my claims of a existence of a soul and how it might be lost)
Vegetarian Shout Out! Wooo!
Says a squirrel. Lol
One of the links posted says that nuts are bad for weight loss.
Sorry, squirrel.
Not squirrels though
True.0 -
AmyRhubarb wrote: »I avoid cilantro because I hate the taste of it.
Cilantro is delicious. My sister claims it tastes metallic. I tell her she has a genetic defect. (Although it seems not to be so clear, so I admit to just being annoying: http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/09/14/161057954/love-to-hate-cilantro-its-in-your-genes-and-maybe-in-your-head)0 -
Squirrel698 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »Meat ... because it's murder. Is fill your plate with a dead carcass worth the price of your soul?
(I don't have a scientific study to back up my claims of a existence of a soul and how it might be lost)
Vegetarian Shout Out! Wooo!
Says a squirrel. Lol
One of the links posted says that nuts are bad for weight loss.
Sorry, squirrel.
No! My heart is broken and not just because of plague residue on my veins. Also my whole world view has been shattered. I think I have to go sit in a tree for a while.
Just don't pick my flowers or take bites out of the vegetables in my garden, which is why I have a lingering hostility toward squirrels. To be totally open, I think nuts are great for weight loss and the link was wrong (re dairy too, and the superiority of low carbing, but if you are vegan we don't need to get into the dairy thing!)0 -
bclarke1990 wrote: »
- Poison
- Cookies with poison
Seriously, unless you have a medical condition or religious/personal beliefs that says otherwise, there's no foods that you need to avoid. Losing 2-4 pounds a week may be really unrealistic for you though (most on here only recommend using the 2lbs a week option if you have 100+ lbs to lose, and 4lbs a week might only be seen in people who have at least 200lbs to lose, excluding the initial woosh in weight loss you might see from water loss).
I don't really agree with this train of thought. I'm not suggesting to put labels on every food or to develop an unhealthy relationship with food, but I think it's naive to preach "IIFYM!! EAT KFC AND DEEP FRIED TWINKIES JUST IN SMALLER AMOUNTS!!".
Obviously exaggerating, but if you're going for aggressive fat loss (which isn't recommended for sustainability) you should aim for voluminous, nutrient/fiber dense foods so you can feel satiated and fueled while being in a deficit.
Well when people start restricting and cutting things out that's when the unhealthy relationship usually starts so, I'm all for @abatonfan 's train of thought.
Can't we have a happy medium between learning to eat healthier in ways that make weightloss work for us, which means learning about a variety of approaches?
Also - can we get off the ridiculous dairy argument, and get back to OP's question?0 -
rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.
Alright I'll accept that, but another weakness is that it was done with only 72 people, and they don't say anything about the demographic break up. 72 people is nothing compared to the 12000 children nation wide studied for the Washington post. To me, a study done with 72 people isn't worth much at all.
The problem is you are comparing apples to oranges. It was 12000 children with no other controls. I don't know what kids are like today, but I know I ate lots of things I never told my mom about. That simple fact would cause issues. As I said, correlation is not causation.
That is why studies where you take a group of people and seek to control variables to allow for coming to some conclusion on causality. 72 is actually a pretty good size for a study like this, both because it is difficult to get people who are willing to follow the strict guidelines. Notice they started with 90, but 28 were eliminated during the run up. That would have been because of non-compliance.
Also, wasn't it MORE than three servings a day is an issue and it recommended that kids not exceed the recommendation of 2-3? Even 3 servings is lots of calories, and the study was in the '90s when fewer kids would have replaced milk with soda or energy drinks.
I see no evidence here that my serving or two of dairy is bad, especially since (unlike the kids) I watch calories and protein and stuff. I find that when I incorporate more dairy (with the exception of cheese which I eat for fun), I tend to be more satisfied on fewer calories. There's been no evidence presented that dairy magically causes weight gain regardless of calories, and I happen to digest it really well (thanks, ancestors!).0 -
OP- only foods you should avoid are the ones you don't like. Everything in moderation, including Brussel sprouts, cilantro, dairy and even OREOS!0
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