The Daniel Plan
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If it works you are in a calorie deficit, period.0
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jmbmilholland wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »(I'd also thought it was a fasting thing, no idea why.)
Isn't that just Lent?
Oh, I'm very familiar with Lent. Nothing to do with the Daniel Plan. At least not traditionally. In some denominations, maybe. (Making Lent into a way to lose weight always annoys me, also, as I think it's contrary to the spirit.)
I don't know why I assumed there was some fasting element to the Daniel Plan, I'm sure it's just my ignorance!
It's a reasonable assumption. Fasting can be year round; Lent is just the most prolonged and important fast. In the middle ages the church had set fast days (every Friday, for example), which was helpful for both spiritual purposes, but also helped ensure that the rich didn't eat ALL the food out of the mouths of the poor, just MOST of the food. There was always a fast before every feast day as well, to make the feast more meaningful and special. The Jewish tradition had fasting year round as well. And then there is the tradition of the ascetics and the hard-core fasting in monastic communities, as well as private fasts by devout individuals as needed.
what? most important to whom??? I feel like you're reaching.
Sorry I didn't see this earlier--my notifications only come through sporadically.
Lent is the most important fast to the Christian church as a whole, from the ancient church to the modern church, as it leads up to the most important Feast celebrating Christ's resurrection. The Nativity Fast might be the second most important, but that seems to be more dominant in the Eastern and Orthodox churches, and Christmas wasn't a very important Feast in the ancient church, so the Nativity is not as universal.0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »(I'd also thought it was a fasting thing, no idea why.)
Isn't that just Lent?
Oh, I'm very familiar with Lent. Nothing to do with the Daniel Plan. At least not traditionally. In some denominations, maybe. (Making Lent into a way to lose weight always annoys me, also, as I think it's contrary to the spirit.)
I don't know why I assumed there was some fasting element to the Daniel Plan, I'm sure it's just my ignorance!
It's a reasonable assumption. Fasting can be year round; Lent is just the most prolonged and important fast. In the middle ages the church had set fast days (every Friday, for example), which was helpful for both spiritual purposes, but also helped ensure that the rich didn't eat ALL the food out of the mouths of the poor, just MOST of the food. There was always a fast before every feast day as well, to make the feast more meaningful and special. The Jewish tradition had fasting year round as well. And then there is the tradition of the ascetics and the hard-core fasting in monastic communities, as well as private fasts by devout individuals as needed.
what? most important to whom??? I feel like you're reaching.
Sorry I didn't see this earlier--my notifications only come through sporadically.
Lent is the most important fast to the Christian church as a whole, from the ancient church to the modern church, as it leads up to the most important Feast celebrating Christ's resurrection. The Nativity Fast might be the second most important, but that seems to be more dominant in the Eastern and Orthodox churches, and Christmas wasn't a very important Feast in the ancient church, so the Nativity is not as universal.
Lent actually doesn't extend too far beyond the Catholic and Anglican churches (maybe also the Lutheran church).
It's not universal to all Christians.0 -
er - no. wow. No. BUT......if the basis of it creates a calorie deficit, then it should do no harm. If you are a faith based person, maybe that helps with commitment and motivation. So for me - definitely not. For you...?0
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Carlos_421 wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »(I'd also thought it was a fasting thing, no idea why.)
Isn't that just Lent?
Oh, I'm very familiar with Lent. Nothing to do with the Daniel Plan. At least not traditionally. In some denominations, maybe. (Making Lent into a way to lose weight always annoys me, also, as I think it's contrary to the spirit.)
I don't know why I assumed there was some fasting element to the Daniel Plan, I'm sure it's just my ignorance!
It's a reasonable assumption. Fasting can be year round; Lent is just the most prolonged and important fast. In the middle ages the church had set fast days (every Friday, for example), which was helpful for both spiritual purposes, but also helped ensure that the rich didn't eat ALL the food out of the mouths of the poor, just MOST of the food. There was always a fast before every feast day as well, to make the feast more meaningful and special. The Jewish tradition had fasting year round as well. And then there is the tradition of the ascetics and the hard-core fasting in monastic communities, as well as private fasts by devout individuals as needed.
what? most important to whom??? I feel like you're reaching.
Sorry I didn't see this earlier--my notifications only come through sporadically.
Lent is the most important fast to the Christian church as a whole, from the ancient church to the modern church, as it leads up to the most important Feast celebrating Christ's resurrection. The Nativity Fast might be the second most important, but that seems to be more dominant in the Eastern and Orthodox churches, and Christmas wasn't a very important Feast in the ancient church, so the Nativity is not as universal.
Lent actually doesn't extend too far beyond the Catholic and Anglican churches (maybe also the Lutheran church).
It's not universal to all Christians.
Liturgical churches are going to observe Lent, including not just Catholics and Orthodox, but Lutherans, Episcopalians/Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. I am currently Lutheran but grew up Methodist, and we had the purple vestements on the altar for the season, and fasting was encouraged as a private spiritual discipline. You are right that the more fundamental Calvinist churches are less likely to observe it, but even a lot of Reformed/Evangelicals are coming back to the more liturgical practices, or at least doing a private observation of Lent. I recognize that, say, Anabaptists are likely to have a problem with it, but it is still the most important fast for the Church *as a whole,* from East to West, from Iranaeus and Augustine to Billy Graham and Pope Francis.0 -
Yeah it basically just sounds like a crutch you might need to hold you steady on a calorie deficit. Some people can do this on their own with willpower just because its their own goal. Some have random people on MFP for all the motivation and support they need.
I suppose if there is something in your life where you need religion to help you feel good about yourself (religion always had the opposite affect on me), so that you can stay on track with healthful, calorie deficit food choices, then go for it.0 -
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