Are you discouraged by your TDEE
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I don’t follow the TDEE method because when I do I gain weight and I am not planning to do a bulk; besides, every fitness website gives me a different number, so what is the point. Very confusing and discouraging.
I set up my maintenance calories by hand in MFP at 1450 and I don’t log or eat my exercise calories unless I am hungry. I keep track of the numbers in the comment section of the exercise diary and I just use them as a cushion for the weekends or for specially occasions, if needed. At my age and size exercise calories are not a lot anyway. I am more concerned about how many minutes I exercise during the week than how many calories I burn. So far I have been maintaining for five an half years between 102lbs and 104lbs, and I am happy with the amount of calories that I eat. My average BMR is about 1040 so eating 1450 calories is good and enough, and I am not hungry or weak.
TDEE works... but you have to adjust it.
If you're maintaining at MFP calories without eating back exercise calories, you're eating more than you think anyway... or you would be losing... it's basic math. But great job maintaining for so long for sure.
There goes the mantra again. And by the way, there are NOT MFP calories, they are MINE. Read my post again please I specified that I set the calories by hand at 1450; MFP would give me less than that if I let it.
I am 72 years old and 4 feet 11, I really don't need much to maintain so I found my happy weight and happy calories. What is wrong with that?
I still weigh my food
so if the math is wrong, it is MFP's not mine.
Ok so you're eating at TDEE then, and not MFP. Gotcha.jeepinshawn wrote: »I don’t follow the TDEE method because when I do I gain weight and I am not planning to do a bulk; besides, every fitness website gives me a different number, so what is the point. Very confusing and discouraging.
I set up my maintenance calories by hand in MFP at 1450 and I don’t log or eat my exercise calories unless I am hungry. I keep track of the numbers in the comment section of the exercise diary and I just use them as a cushion for the weekends or for specially occasions, if needed. At my age and size exercise calories are not a lot anyway. I am more concerned about how many minutes I exercise during the week than how many calories I burn. So far I have been maintaining for five an half years between 102lbs and 104lbs, and I am happy with the amount of calories that I eat. My average BMR is about 1040 so eating 1450 calories is good and enough, and I am not hungry or weak.
TDEE works... but you have to adjust it.
If you're maintaining at MFP calories without eating back exercise calories, you're eating more than you think anyway... or you would be losing... it's basic math. But great job maintaining for so long for sure.
As much as you'd like it to be, the answer is not so simple. A body is individual and everyone's metabolic processes are different, not linear. People can maintain on a wide range of calories, and everyones TDEE varies pretty substantially day to day.
You are beginning to sound pretty bitter about your lack of success, and you seem otb more and more taking it out on other peoples posts and assuming everyone is just like you.
Well I don't call losing 78 pounds and maintaining that loss for 2 years 'lack of success' and I'm pretty offended that you think it is. You're a pretty rude person, aren't you?
But you can't argue with science. Sorry. If you're not losing weight, you're eating at maintenance. If you're not losing weight not eating exercise calories using an app where you're supposed to eat your exercise calories back, it means that either your metabolism is abnormally low, or you're eating more than you think... so it's safe to assume that people are not special snowflakes and eating more than they think.
But for her, yeah, 1450 seems about right. It was just my impression that she wasn't eating at TDEE but at MFP levels, but apparently I was wrong.
No one can argue with the bolded, it is very true.
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Well I don't call losing 78 pounds and maintaining that loss for 2 years 'lack of success' and I'm pretty offended that you think it is. You're a pretty rude person, aren't you?
You are constantly complaining about not being able to lose the last 10 or 15lbs, gaining weight over the holidays, I read the forums regularly and rarely do I see you post anything positive, you have gotten to the point of bringing down people in other threads. You complain about your lack of calories, and it all comes off very negative.But you can't argue with science. Sorry. If you're not losing weight, you're eating at maintenance. If you're not losing weight not eating exercise calories using an app where you're supposed to eat your exercise calories back, it means that either your metabolism is abnormally low, or you're eating more than you think... so it's safe to assume that people are not special snowflakes and eating more than they think.
No your wrong everyone and their bodies adapt and change a little differently. You can't apply it evenly across an entire population of people.0 -
Honestly, you should be eating to live, not living to eat. If you're able to eat X calories, maintain your weight, and not be hungry, that should be enough. You can fit in treats and do extra exercise if necessary.
If you're hungry and not gaining weight, you may need more calories (or better food choices)0 -
I don’t follow the TDEE method because when I do I gain weight and I am not planning to do a bulk; besides, every fitness website gives me a different number, so what is the point. Very confusing and discouraging.
I set up my maintenance calories by hand in MFP at 1450 and I don’t log or eat my exercise calories unless I am hungry. I keep track of the numbers in the comment section of the exercise diary and I just use them as a cushion for the weekends or for specially occasions, if needed. At my age and size exercise calories are not a lot anyway. I am more concerned about how many minutes I exercise during the week than how many calories I burn. So far I have been maintaining for five an half years between 102lbs and 104lbs, and I am happy with the amount of calories that I eat. My average BMR is about 1040 so eating 1450 calories is good and enough, and I am not hungry or weak.
TDEE works... but you have to adjust it.
If you're maintaining at MFP calories without eating back exercise calories, you're eating more than you think anyway... or you would be losing... it's basic math. But great job maintaining for so long for sure.
There goes the mantra again. And by the way, there are NOT MFP calories, they are MINE. Read my post again please I specified that I set the calories by hand at 1450; MFP would give me less than that if I let it.
I am 72 years old and 4 feet 11, I really don't need much to maintain so I found my happy weight and happy calories. What is wrong with that?
I still weigh my food so if the math is wrong, it is MFP's not mine.
Ok so you're eating at TDEE then, and not MFP. Gotcha.jeepinshawn wrote: »I don’t follow the TDEE method because when I do I gain weight and I am not planning to do a bulk; besides, every fitness website gives me a different number, so what is the point. Very confusing and discouraging.
I set up my maintenance calories by hand in MFP at 1450 and I don’t log or eat my exercise calories unless I am hungry. I keep track of the numbers in the comment section of the exercise diary and I just use them as a cushion for the weekends or for specially occasions, if needed. At my age and size exercise calories are not a lot anyway. I am more concerned about how many minutes I exercise during the week than how many calories I burn. So far I have been maintaining for five an half years between 102lbs and 104lbs, and I am happy with the amount of calories that I eat. My average BMR is about 1040 so eating 1450 calories is good and enough, and I am not hungry or weak.
TDEE works... but you have to adjust it.
If you're maintaining at MFP calories without eating back exercise calories, you're eating more than you think anyway... or you would be losing... it's basic math. But great job maintaining for so long for sure.
As much as you'd like it to be, the answer is not so simple. A body is individual and everyone's metabolic processes are different, not linear. People can maintain on a wide range of calories, and everyones TDEE varies pretty substantially day to day.
You are beginning to sound pretty bitter about your lack of success, and you seem otb more and more taking it out on other peoples posts and assuming everyone is just like you.
Well I don't call losing 78 pounds and maintaining that loss for 2 years 'lack of success' and I'm pretty offended that you think it is. You're a pretty rude person, aren't you?
But you can't argue with science. Sorry. If you're not losing weight, you're eating at maintenance. If you're not losing weight not eating exercise calories using an app where you're supposed to eat your exercise calories back, it means that either your metabolism is abnormally low, or you're eating more than you think... so it's safe to assume that people are not special snowflakes and eating more than they think.
But for her, yeah, 1450 seems about right. It was just my impression that she wasn't eating at TDEE but at MFP levels, but apparently I was wrong.
I am not really eating at TDEE because according to IIFYM my TDEE is (or should be) 1587 (BMR 884), so if I am eating about 1450 calories/day then I am between MFP and TDEE. Scooby give me a higher number for TDEE and BMR, so which site is better and which site should we follow, huh? Everything is relative
Honestly I don't care because formulas or websites don't decide how much I eat or should eat; they are not the holy grail. I am happy with my weight and with my food intake and that is all that matters. If I am hungry I eat more, if I want to lose a lb, I eat less. End of discussion.
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I don’t follow the TDEE method because when I do I gain weight and I am not planning to do a bulk; besides, every fitness website gives me a different number, so what is the point. Very confusing and discouraging.
I set up my maintenance calories by hand in MFP at 1450 and I don’t log or eat my exercise calories unless I am hungry. I keep track of the numbers in the comment section of the exercise diary and I just use them as a cushion for the weekends or for specially occasions, if needed. At my age and size exercise calories are not a lot anyway. I am more concerned about how many minutes I exercise during the week than how many calories I burn. So far I have been maintaining for five an half years between 102lbs and 104lbs, and I am happy with the amount of calories that I eat. My average BMR is about 1040 so eating 1450 calories is good and enough, and I am not hungry or weak.
TDEE works... but you have to adjust it.
If you're maintaining at MFP calories without eating back exercise calories, you're eating more than you think anyway... or you would be losing... it's basic math. But great job maintaining for so long for sure.
There goes the mantra again. And by the way, there are NOT MFP calories, they are MINE. Read my post again please I specified that I set the calories by hand at 1450; MFP would give me less than that if I let it.
I am 72 years old and 4 feet 11, I really don't need much to maintain so I found my happy weight and happy calories. What is wrong with that?
I still weigh my food so if the math is wrong, it is MFP's not mine.
Ok so you're eating at TDEE then, and not MFP. Gotcha.jeepinshawn wrote: »I don’t follow the TDEE method because when I do I gain weight and I am not planning to do a bulk; besides, every fitness website gives me a different number, so what is the point. Very confusing and discouraging.
I set up my maintenance calories by hand in MFP at 1450 and I don’t log or eat my exercise calories unless I am hungry. I keep track of the numbers in the comment section of the exercise diary and I just use them as a cushion for the weekends or for specially occasions, if needed. At my age and size exercise calories are not a lot anyway. I am more concerned about how many minutes I exercise during the week than how many calories I burn. So far I have been maintaining for five an half years between 102lbs and 104lbs, and I am happy with the amount of calories that I eat. My average BMR is about 1040 so eating 1450 calories is good and enough, and I am not hungry or weak.
TDEE works... but you have to adjust it.
If you're maintaining at MFP calories without eating back exercise calories, you're eating more than you think anyway... or you would be losing... it's basic math. But great job maintaining for so long for sure.
As much as you'd like it to be, the answer is not so simple. A body is individual and everyone's metabolic processes are different, not linear. People can maintain on a wide range of calories, and everyones TDEE varies pretty substantially day to day.
You are beginning to sound pretty bitter about your lack of success, and you seem otb more and more taking it out on other peoples posts and assuming everyone is just like you.
Well I don't call losing 78 pounds and maintaining that loss for 2 years 'lack of success' and I'm pretty offended that you think it is. You're a pretty rude person, aren't you?
But you can't argue with science. Sorry. If you're not losing weight, you're eating at maintenance. If you're not losing weight not eating exercise calories using an app where you're supposed to eat your exercise calories back, it means that either your metabolism is abnormally low, or you're eating more than you think... so it's safe to assume that people are not special snowflakes and eating more than they think.
But for her, yeah, 1450 seems about right. It was just my impression that she wasn't eating at TDEE but at MFP levels, but apparently I was wrong.
I am not really eating at TDEE because according to IIFYM my TDEE is (or should be) 1587 (BMR 884), so if I am eating about 1450 calories/day then I am between MFP and TDEE. Scooby give me a higher number for TDEE and BMR, so which site is better and which site should we follow, huh? Everything is relative
Honestly I don't care because formulas or websites don't decide how much I eat or should eat; they are not the holy grail. I am happy with my weight and with my food intake and that is all that matters. If I am hungry I eat more, if I want to lose a lb, I eat less. End of discussion.
But you are eating at your TDEE since you weight has been stable long term. It just means the online calculators do not work for you probably because your activity level falls in-between categories (lightly active vs moderately active, for example)0 -
I don’t follow the TDEE method because when I do I gain weight and I am not planning to do a bulk; besides, every fitness website gives me a different number, so what is the point. Very confusing and discouraging.
I set up my maintenance calories by hand in MFP at 1450 and I don’t log or eat my exercise calories unless I am hungry. I keep track of the numbers in the comment section of the exercise diary and I just use them as a cushion for the weekends or for specially occasions, if needed. At my age and size exercise calories are not a lot anyway. I am more concerned about how many minutes I exercise during the week than how many calories I burn. So far I have been maintaining for five an half years between 102lbs and 104lbs, and I am happy with the amount of calories that I eat. My average BMR is about 1040 so eating 1450 calories is good and enough, and I am not hungry or weak.
TDEE works... but you have to adjust it.
If you're maintaining at MFP calories without eating back exercise calories, you're eating more than you think anyway... or you would be losing... it's basic math. But great job maintaining for so long for sure.
There goes the mantra again. And by the way, there are NOT MFP calories, they are MINE. Read my post again please I specified that I set the calories by hand at 1450; MFP would give me less than that if I let it.
I am 72 years old and 4 feet 11, I really don't need much to maintain so I found my happy weight and happy calories. What is wrong with that?
I still weigh my food so if the math is wrong, it is MFP's not mine.
Ok so you're eating at TDEE then, and not MFP. Gotcha.jeepinshawn wrote: »I don’t follow the TDEE method because when I do I gain weight and I am not planning to do a bulk; besides, every fitness website gives me a different number, so what is the point. Very confusing and discouraging.
I set up my maintenance calories by hand in MFP at 1450 and I don’t log or eat my exercise calories unless I am hungry. I keep track of the numbers in the comment section of the exercise diary and I just use them as a cushion for the weekends or for specially occasions, if needed. At my age and size exercise calories are not a lot anyway. I am more concerned about how many minutes I exercise during the week than how many calories I burn. So far I have been maintaining for five an half years between 102lbs and 104lbs, and I am happy with the amount of calories that I eat. My average BMR is about 1040 so eating 1450 calories is good and enough, and I am not hungry or weak.
TDEE works... but you have to adjust it.
If you're maintaining at MFP calories without eating back exercise calories, you're eating more than you think anyway... or you would be losing... it's basic math. But great job maintaining for so long for sure.
As much as you'd like it to be, the answer is not so simple. A body is individual and everyone's metabolic processes are different, not linear. People can maintain on a wide range of calories, and everyones TDEE varies pretty substantially day to day.
You are beginning to sound pretty bitter about your lack of success, and you seem otb more and more taking it out on other peoples posts and assuming everyone is just like you.
Well I don't call losing 78 pounds and maintaining that loss for 2 years 'lack of success' and I'm pretty offended that you think it is. You're a pretty rude person, aren't you?
But you can't argue with science. Sorry. If you're not losing weight, you're eating at maintenance. If you're not losing weight not eating exercise calories using an app where you're supposed to eat your exercise calories back, it means that either your metabolism is abnormally low, or you're eating more than you think... so it's safe to assume that people are not special snowflakes and eating more than they think.
But for her, yeah, 1450 seems about right. It was just my impression that she wasn't eating at TDEE but at MFP levels, but apparently I was wrong.
I am not really eating at TDEE because according to IIFYM my TDEE is (or should be) 1587 (BMR 884), so if I am eating about 1450 calories/day then I am between MFP and TDEE. Scooby give me a higher number for TDEE and BMR, so which site is better and which site should we follow, huh? Everything is relative
Honestly I don't care because formulas or websites don't decide how much I eat or should eat; they are not the holy grail. I am happy with my weight and with my food intake and that is all that matters. If I am hungry I eat more, if I want to lose a lb, I eat less. End of discussion.
But you are eating at your TDEE since you weight has been stable long term. It just means the online calculators do not work for you probably because your activity level falls in-between categories (lightly active vs moderately active, for example)
Yeah it's what I meant. I mean, every calculator gives you a different TDEE anyway. But for me eating at TDEE means you eat at maintenance without worrying about exercise calories every single day - you just average your activity in your number.0 -
People tend to pick a weight they want to be and consider that fixed, then try to get their calorie intake level to that and maintain it. Sometimes I think the better strategy is to figure out what the lowest calorie level is that they could maintain for the rest of their life, then consider that fixed, and figure out how much exercise they can reasonably do on an ongoing basis, then accept what weight they arrive at as their lowest maintainable weight.0
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robingmurphy wrote: »People tend to pick a weight they want to be and consider that fixed, then try to get their calorie intake level to that and maintain it. Sometimes I think the better strategy is to figure out what the lowest calorie level is that they could maintain for the rest of their life, then consider that fixed, and figure out how much exercise they can reasonably do on an ongoing basis, then accept what weight they arrive at as their lowest maintainable weight.
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jeepinshawn wrote: »
Well I don't call losing 78 pounds and maintaining that loss for 2 years 'lack of success' and I'm pretty offended that you think it is. You're a pretty rude person, aren't you?
You are constantly complaining about not being able to lose the last 10 or 15lbs, gaining weight over the holidays, I read the forums regularly and rarely do I see you post anything positive, you have gotten to the point of bringing down people in other threads. You complain about your lack of calories, and it all comes off very negative.But you can't argue with science. Sorry. If you're not losing weight, you're eating at maintenance. If you're not losing weight not eating exercise calories using an app where you're supposed to eat your exercise calories back, it means that either your metabolism is abnormally low, or you're eating more than you think... so it's safe to assume that people are not special snowflakes and eating more than they think.
No your wrong everyone and their bodies adapt and change a little differently. You can't apply it evenly across an entire population of people.
I have found that the best thing to do with people who are always whining like that poster is block them with the ignore feature.. Unfortunately I can still see her (mostly) negative posts in quotes. I do find it hilarious that she is telling people they're not special snowflakes but gets all bent out of shape when someone points out to her that all women have periods and hormones and she's not a special snowflake. Ironic.0 -
BrianSharpe wrote: »https://supertracker.usda.gov/bwp/
Check this site out, they allow for fairly detailed entry of activities / exercise.....
Yikes. That gave me crazy numbers, compared to everything else I've seen.0 -
Remember TDEE is just an estimate. I enjoy using the method because it keeps me accountable for getting my exercise in. I have learned over the years that my own data is always more valuable. Maybe average them out. Try this calculator link below. It averages them all out for you. Dont be discouraged. Keep working at it.
http://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/0 -
robingmurphy wrote: »People tend to pick a weight they want to be and consider that fixed, then try to get their calorie intake level to that and maintain it. Sometimes I think the better strategy is to figure out what the lowest calorie level is that they could maintain for the rest of their life, then consider that fixed, and figure out how much exercise they can reasonably do on an ongoing basis, then accept what weight they arrive at as their lowest maintainable weight.
Yes. I think that this is the way to go. How many calories per day do you think that you will be happy with can grudgingly accept living with? How much exercise are you willing to do?
Do you want to eat 2000 kcal per day? Do you want to eat 1800 kcal per day? 1600?
Do you want to be sedentary? Do you want to walk 3mph for 30 minutes twice a week? Do you want to run 20 miles week?
Whatever you choose, you then have figure out the weight and exercise activity level that will make that level of eating sustainable.
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@Heartisalonelyhunter and @minizebu
We all have out own strategies and goals. To say that there is a better way to do things is to negate somebody else preferences. Your approach will be OK for those that plan to weigh and log their food for eternity, but no many of us are willing or planning to do that. Actually, there are many people in the forums that haven't log steady for a long time and they seem to be happy and maintaining without a problem. Maybe we can ask them what system do they use....0 -
mattyc772014 wrote: »Remember TDEE is just an estimate. I enjoy using the method because it keeps me accountable for getting my exercise in. I have learned over the years that my own data is always more valuable. Maybe average them out. Try this calculator link below. It averages them all out for you. Dont be discouraged. Keep working at it.
http://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
That's a great calculator! Thanks!0 -
@Heartisalonelyhunter and @minizebu
We all have out own strategies and goals. To say that there is a better way to do things is to negate somebody else preferences. Your approach will be OK for those that plan to weigh and log their food for eternity, but no many of us are willing or planning to do that. Actually, there are many people in the forums that haven't log steady for a long time and they seem to be happy and maintaining without a problem. Maybe we can ask them what system do they use....
I don't know what this is referring to. What is 'my approach'?? I have never been overweight and I have never weighed my food.0 -
My diet plan is basically determine estimated BMR/TDEE for my target weight and just stick to that so I get used to that amount of food. I calculated it using 3 different TDEE modifiers so I could adjust my target based on my activity levels. I'm 5'6" currently 65% lean body mass, 98 kg. My target is 65 kg and assuming about 80% Lean Body Mass. Rounding down to account for under reporting, I'm looking at 1500 for sedentary, 1700 for more active days, and 1900 for high intensity days (swimming laps or weight training). I actually have been sedentary due to a back injury which has limited my mobility and have kept to 1500 calories. I still eat ice cream and pizza, just not a full serving, and I find I don't really need one. When I get to 75 kg, my usual plateau point, I plan to focus more on strength training and body recomp. If you want to eat more calories, then your body needs to need them.0
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Disappointed isn't the right word for it, for me. I am female, 65, 5' 6" and "lightly active" (averaging about 3 miles of walking a day -more outdoor walking in the warm months, less in the cold ones) - 1500-1600 daily is the maintenance sweet spot for 155# according to a year or so of data collection that includes weighing all good that's not actual liquid. Edited to add - when I can maintain a lifting program I get a calorie bump but not a significant one, and I cannot always maintain a regular lifting program. I wish for more wiggle room but it is what it is.0
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mattyc772014 wrote: »Remember TDEE is just an estimate. I enjoy using the method because it keeps me accountable for getting my exercise in. I have learned over the years that my own data is always more valuable. Maybe average them out. Try this calculator link below. It averages them all out for you. Dont be discouraged. Keep working at it.
http://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
That's a great calculator! Thanks!
Seriously that's the first calculator that has actually given me a TDEE number that makes sense. Most of them put me up around 2,700 to maintain. I'm currently eating 1800-2000 and maintaining (I'm actually not even at maintenance yet). At 2,700 I'd be in a full on bulk. And most of those calculators I have to put in sedentary when that is far from the truth. I workout hard 6-7 days a week, and walk a ton on top of that. I'll admit I am NOT a super accurate logger, I use cups and ounces at times and grams when I can. So there is some error in my diary. But certainly not 800 cals a day type errors. So yea this calculator is going straight to my bookmarks. Thanks!
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Disappointed and horrified at first but now that I know it's doable, I feel better about it. I am not willing to exert myself exercising beyond fast walking. Not willing to walk more than 5 miles a day. So, I pay for that with low calories.
I have thought about ramping up my exercise while losing, just to be done faster but decided it would be better and easier for me mentally and physically to just do what I am willing to do forever while losing.
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Yeah totally! I've gotten over it now that I have an activity tracker I feel way better about understanding my TDEE! So far as I can tell it's giving me close numbers to what I already knew, it just keeps me In check a bit. I still don't fully trust it to eat to full expectations however, reverse dieting now.
I do like to exercise a lot, cardio is my therapist
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Soundwave79 wrote: »mattyc772014 wrote: »Remember TDEE is just an estimate. I enjoy using the method because it keeps me accountable for getting my exercise in. I have learned over the years that my own data is always more valuable. Maybe average them out. Try this calculator link below. It averages them all out for you. Dont be discouraged. Keep working at it.
http://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
That's a great calculator! Thanks!
Seriously that's the first calculator that has actually given me a TDEE number that makes sense. Most of them put me up around 2,700 to maintain. I'm currently eating 1800-2000 and maintaining (I'm actually not even at maintenance yet). At 2,700 I'd be in a full on bulk. And most of those calculators I have to put in sedentary when that is far from the truth. I workout hard 6-7 days a week, and walk a ton on top of that. I'll admit I am NOT a super accurate logger, I use cups and ounces at times and grams when I can. So there is some error in my diary. But certainly not 800 cals a day type errors. So yea this calculator is going straight to my bookmarks. Thanks!
It's odd because that calculator gives me the same numbers.
It's still pretty vague though, there's never an option for 'lightly active during the day and exercise 6/7 days a week'. It goes straight from exercising moderately 4/5 days a week to very active/strenuous exercise 6/7 days a week... so I guess I'm somewhere in the middle and it's the same number I get everywhere else (2200-2300).0 -
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