Consistent effort but still NO WT LOSS!

se015
se015 Posts: 583 Member
Hey guys, so my gf doesn't feel like going on these message boards so I thought I'd help her out by asking you guys myself. She is consistently eating under her calories that MFP sets up for her based on her current weight and what her goal weight is. She has noticed a small difference in her size, specifically her pants size have basically gone down a size. She has lost zero lbs though! Her bf% has stayed the same too! She runs on treadmill for an hour about 4 days a week. Does she need to increase the cardio? There are some days that she barely eats enough and I told her I think that if you calorie restrict too much you might not lose any weight. So yea what do you guys think?
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  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,562 Member
    How long he it been since she lost weight. It sounds more like she's eating too much instead of not enough.
  • Asher_Ethan
    Asher_Ethan Posts: 2,430 Member
    Does she weigh all her food? Does she eat all her exercise calories back? How does she measure her body fat?
  • whmscll
    whmscll Posts: 2,254 Member
    What is her goal? Going down a pants size is terrific. The number on a scale is just a number. She shouldn't let it rule her life.
  • dubird
    dubird Posts: 1,849 Member
    1. Is she weighing EVERYTHING she eats? This is the biggest mistake people make, they think they're weighing everything, but they're missing some things they don't think about, or they're using cups and guesstimates. People in general tend to seriously underestimate how much they eat, so unless she's weighing everything and being honest with herself about it, it's likely she's eating much more than she thinks she is.

    2. If her measurements have gone down and she's in a smaller pant size, that's some good progress right there! To me, that's more important then the number on the scale.

    3. Weight loss isn't linear. There will be weeks of losing, then weeks of no loss or even small gain. Look at the trend of weight loss over a couple of months. If you can draw a line from start to finish and it's going down, everything's fine.

    4. Eating less calories doesn't restrict your ability to lose weight, however it can cause damage from malnutrition. General recommendation for women is 1200 is the lowest you want to go unless you're super short. Like, under 5 foot short.
  • jemhh
    jemhh Posts: 14,261 Member
    How does she know that her BF % hasn't changed?

    How much is she actually eating (not netting!) on an average day (see if you can get the numbers for a week or so and average them)?

    It is possible to eat little, exercise like a maniac, lose body fat, but not lose weight because you end up retaining water like a madman (or madwoman.) Lyle McDonald writes about the phenomenon here. Do you think any of that describes your gf?
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    edited March 2016
    What's her age, height, current weight, goal weight, and weekly weight loss goal?
  • MamaMc3
    MamaMc3 Posts: 213 Member
    Hmmm . . . it could be a lot of things. First, if she is eating at a small deficit or doesn't have much to lose, it's important that she is weighing her food. Inaccurate logging can make a huge difference. If she is not eating enough (at least 1,200 calories - probably more!), her body could be holding onto the weight, too. If she recently increased or changed her workout, her body could be holding onto water to heal her muscles. She should also look at her sodium intake because it could just be water retention. Without knowing more about her, it's hard to pinpoint. It sounds like she is making progress, though, if she is losing sizes!
  • hko718
    hko718 Posts: 85 Member
    Height, age, weight, type of work. And how many calories is she eating a day
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    Does she weigh all her food? Does she eat all her exercise calories back? How does she measure her body fat?

    Whatever she puts into mfp is pretty accurate as she can be. But she never eats her exercise calories she sticks to the total number before exercise!
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    hko718 wrote: »
    Height, age, weight, type of work. And how many calories is she eating a day

    5'4", 149 lb, 28 yrs old, 1450 or so a day
  • jemhh
    jemhh Posts: 14,261 Member
    How long has she been calorie counting?
  • shadow2soul
    shadow2soul Posts: 7,692 Member
    1) Did she start running at the same time she started counting calories?
    Yes. Possibly retaining water for muscle repair.

    2) Losing a pants size means she is making progress.

    3) Does she weigh solid foods on a food scale? No. She could be eating more than she thinks easily if she is using measuring cups or guessing at portion sizes.
    Yes. She should double check the food entries she is using. Not all entries in the dayabase are correct. In fact a large portion are wrong.


    4) How long has it been?

    5) Does she weigh herself under the same conditions? If not, that will make it a lot harder to judge progress. There are so many variables that effect our weight that you want the conditions to be as close to the same as possible every time.
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    She does keep the weigh in conditions as close to the same as possible. How much more specific can you be when portioning your food? I know what she eats and I check her data she puts in. You could be right about the water retention but idk it just seems odd. But if she went from a 6 to a 4 I just don't get why there is no change in weight. She's frustrated and I want her to be encouraged not discouraged. I'd feel the same way If I had the same problem
  • jemhh
    jemhh Posts: 14,261 Member
    I would be happy to go from size 6 to size 4 no matter what my weight did. Who cares about the number on the scale? She's 5'4" & size 4 FTLOG.
  • CourtLHM
    CourtLHM Posts: 181 Member
    edited March 2016
    Is she gaining muscle ya think? Give it a lil while and she'll see the number go down.
    Or it's that she's "consistently eating under her calorie goal" and she's not eating any of her exercise calories back so her body's hanging on to the supplies so to speak?
  • 3bambi3
    3bambi3 Posts: 1,650 Member
    Is she gaining muscle ya think? Give it a lil while and she'll see the number go down.

    With only cardio and in a deficit, no.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    Is she gaining muscle ya think? Give it a lil while and she'll see the number go down.
    Or it's that she's "consistently eating under her calorie goal" and she's not eating any of her exercise calories back so her body's hanging on to the supplies so to speak?

    your body doesnt hang on to "supplies" either
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    She does keep the weigh in conditions as close to the same as possible. How much more specific can you be when portioning your food? I know what she eats and I check her data she puts in. You could be right about the water retention but idk it just seems odd. But if she went from a 6 to a 4 I just don't get why there is no change in weight. She's frustrated and I want her to be encouraged not discouraged. I'd feel the same way If I had the same problem

    Tone honest, this seems a bit overbearing. I know if it were me and one of my significant others were double checking everything, I would quickly get pissed off and rebel.
  • MelissaLimeKiwi
    MelissaLimeKiwi Posts: 121 Member
    I actually always gain the first week I start exercising. Beginning of week two I'm up one pound and beginning of week three I'll be back down to my start weight. Then the weight loss becomes more regular.
  • CollieFit
    CollieFit Posts: 1,683 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    She does keep the weigh in conditions as close to the same as possible. How much more specific can you be when portioning your food? I know what she eats and I check her data she puts in. You could be right about the water retention but idk it just seems odd. But if she went from a 6 to a 4 I just don't get why there is no change in weight. She's frustrated and I want her to be encouraged not discouraged. I'd feel the same way If I had the same problem

    Tone honest, this seems a bit overbearing. I know if it were me and one of my significant others were double checking everything, I would quickly get pissed off and rebel.

    Agreed!!!
    You might think you know what she eats, but I doubt you're with her 24 hours, and if she's not losing she's not in a deficit. Perhaps she is snacking when you're not watching because this has got all a bit intense?
  • dianabelle75
    dianabelle75 Posts: 1 Member
    I am a runner, and treadmills and other fitness calculators are notoriously inaccurate without a heart rate monitor. Could she be overestimating calories burned? More info here: http://www.active.com/running/articles/how-many-calories-does-running-burn?cmp=17N-PB4-S31-T6-D7-03132016-1162
  • ZeroDelta
    ZeroDelta Posts: 242 Member
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    She does keep the weigh in conditions as close to the same as possible. How much more specific can you be when portioning your food? I know what she eats and I check her data she puts in. You could be right about the water retention but idk it just seems odd. But if she went from a 6 to a 4 I just don't get why there is no change in weight. She's frustrated and I want her to be encouraged not discouraged. I'd feel the same way If I had the same problem

    Tone honest, this seems a bit overbearing. I know if it were me and one of my significant others were double checking everything, I would quickly get pissed off and rebel.

    It's her that's asking me to help her track I don't do it unless she asks me! Yea obviously anyone would be pissed if it was like that. Your response was both not helpful and judgemental in a way. If you have nothing to say that's helpful or positive don't bother. Thanks!

  • perkymommy
    perkymommy Posts: 1,642 Member
    edited March 2016
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    hko718 wrote: »
    Height, age, weight, type of work. And how many calories is she eating a day

    5'4", 149 lb, 28 yrs old, 1450 or so a day

    At her height the proper weight range for her would be 111-146. She is barely at the top end of the healthy weight range and that may be why it's so much harder for her to show a loss. That happens to a lot of people when they get so close to the ideal weight for their height. She also may be retaining water after all the exercising. The main thing is she is losing inches. I wish I could get in a size 6, let alone a size 4, LOL. I'm 4'11 and only 131 lbs and wear a size 9/10.
  • Mentali
    Mentali Posts: 352 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    She does keep the weigh in conditions as close to the same as possible. How much more specific can you be when portioning your food? I know what she eats and I check her data she puts in. You could be right about the water retention but idk it just seems odd. But if she went from a 6 to a 4 I just don't get why there is no change in weight. She's frustrated and I want her to be encouraged not discouraged. I'd feel the same way If I had the same problem

    Tone honest, this seems a bit overbearing. I know if it were me and one of my significant others were double checking everything, I would quickly get pissed off and rebel.

    I mean....it really sounds like she's trying to figure out what's wrong so she's using him as a double-checker for her food. It's a really weird and mean assumption to jump to that he's doing it without her asking or wanting help.
  • Maxematics
    Maxematics Posts: 2,287 Member
    perkymommy wrote: »
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    hko718 wrote: »
    Height, age, weight, type of work. And how many calories is she eating a day

    5'4", 149 lb, 28 yrs old, 1450 or so a day

    At her height the proper weight range for her would be 111-146. She is barely at the top end of the healthy weight range and that may be why it's so much harder for her to show a loss. That happens to a lot of people when they get so close to the ideal weight for their height. She also may be retaining water after all the exercising. The main thing is she is losing inches. I wish I could get in a size 6, let alone a size 4, LOL. I'm 4'11 and only 131 lbs and wear a size 9/10.

    I wouldn't call his girlfriend obese obviously, but being at the top end of a healthy weight range is not really cause for a stall. If she's truly eating 1450, she should be losing weight. I'm 5'3" and I started at 139 which was already in a healthy weight range and lost steadily without a hitch on more calories than that until I hit 109 and then I started my bulk. I'm not an outlier either; a lot of people have similar stories. I'm thinking something is amiss.
  • Savannahmiamaddie
    Savannahmiamaddie Posts: 54 Member
    Has she talked to her doctor and had any blood work done? I think everyone should check in with their healthcare provider before dieting. For example, I have hypothyroidism. Without the medications to manage the hypothyroidism, I wouldn't be able to lose any weight.
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,327 Member
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    She does keep the weigh in conditions as close to the same as possible. How much more specific can you be when portioning your food? I know what she eats and I check her data she puts in. You could be right about the water retention but idk it just seems odd. But if she went from a 6 to a 4 I just don't get why there is no change in weight. She's frustrated and I want her to be encouraged not discouraged. I'd feel the same way If I had the same problem

    What does it matter. I know we live in a culture obsessed with weight, but if she really went down two sizes who cares what the scale says. NO ONE, absolutely no one she doesn't tell will know what her weight is, all they see is that she is smaller. If she is getting smaller, she is losing something, and the weight will show up eventually. This might be helpful to read, http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/of-whooshes-and-squishy-fat.html/

    Weight is probably the most unhelpful way to measure progress. Pictures, body measurement, and how clothing fits is far more useful, and it is how a person looks that people see, not the weight the scale gives.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    I would say going down 2 sizes is great progress.
  • trjjoy
    trjjoy Posts: 666 Member
    MamaMc3 wrote: »
    If she is not eating enough (at least 1,200 calories - probably more!), her body could be holding onto the weight, too.

    No. Just NO.