April 2016 Running Challenge
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@Orphia My shoe collection seems to grows every time I go to a race. Funny smoothie recipe.
@ddmom0811 4 retired shoes and 3 in the rotation. Last year they had a shoe drive for charity and we turned in all our Clean Retired shoes that were still good for walking. These went to Haiti. Some of my local friends take them on vacation ( Mexico,Cuba etc ) with soccer/footballs/baseballs and give them to the Hotel Staff.
@MNLittleFinn I run Trails through the winter snow and summer mud and have never had a pair of Trail shoes in my collection. I find that unless I get into really rough-rocky mountainous terrain I don't need the extra footbed/traction of trail shoes. But then I do need an excuse to buy some shoes with deeper tread patterns.
@WhatMeRunning 9 pairs in rotation - impressive and now you have talked me into new trail shoes.
Well off to meet our Saturday Morning crew as we are heading into the Hills and Trees on the North East Riverbank Benchlands around town. Roots, Ruts and Trails that I have not explored yet.1 -
@juliet3455 Yeah, I'm not sure I need trail shoes....but another pair for the collection would be nice....1
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01/04 4 miles
04/04 5 miles
05/04 4 miles
06/04 4 miles
08/04 5 miles
09/04 4 miles
11/04 4 miles
13/04 4 miles
14/04 5miles
16/04 4miles
19/04 6.25 miles
20/04 4 miles
22/04 3 miles
23/04 4 miles
24/04 3 miles
26/04 5.25 miles
27/04 5 miles
28/04 4 miles
30/04 3.25miles
Good luck to everyone with marathons and half marathons this weekend!!
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I wear a retired pair for casual shoes until the next pair is retired and donate the older pair (which are still in great looking condition) to a local clothing center charity organization my wife volunteers for. So now that I think about it, while she may not be aware of the shoes coming into the house, she is certainly aware of the ones going out of the house to the clothing center. Maybe that is why she hasn't busted my chops yet.2
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Holy crap, I've got shoe envy.
I've only been using my Nikes since February. My Asics weren't supporting my flat feet enough.
Need to buy more shoes!
OK, since I lose the shoe competition, how's THIS for a smoothie?
My husband says 3 grams would kill you. A quarter gram is plenty... Half tops.
So if you have 3 grams, you gotta share
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Honestly though, with the ratio of kale to everything else, I'm guessing this is a one sip ordeal. Maybe that's why it's so strong in....kale?Holy crap, I've got shoe envy.
I've only been using my Nikes since February. My Asics weren't supporting my flat feet enough.
Need to buy more shoes!
OK, since I lose the shoe competition, how's THIS for a smoothie?
My husband says 3 grams would kill you. A quarter gram is plenty... Half tops.
So if you have 3 grams, you gotta share 2 -
WhatMeRunning wrote: »
Honestly though, with the ratio of kale to everything else, I'm guessing this is a one sip ordeal. Maybe that's why it's so strong in....kale?Holy crap, I've got shoe envy.
I've only been using my Nikes since February. My Asics weren't supporting my flat feet enough.
Need to buy more shoes!
OK, since I lose the shoe competition, how's THIS for a smoothie?
My husband says 3 grams would kill you. A quarter gram is plenty... Half tops.
So if you have 3 grams, you gotta share
Ah, the recipe serves 10-12!
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3 grams will NOT kill you. You are free to speculate on the absolute confidence behind that statement.2
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Maybe so. But people are really going to regret those 2 whole cups of kale.PoppetsMaster wrote: »3 grams will NOT kill you. You are free to speculate on the absolute confidence behind that statement.
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Has anyone else noticed it is the GUYS with the most shoes???
Some of the races I have been to have donation bins for retired shoes. They clean them and give them to running organizations for the homeless like 'Back on My Feet'. Somehow though I never seem to realize it until I get to the race and I don't have the shoes to donate with me.
I am heading out for my long run - probably won't be the 13 I need to hit my goal because I didn't get up early enough. It rained overnight unexpectedly so I am having to rethink my route. Going to be sloppy any direction I go 2 -
@WhatMeRunning - my husband would totally agree with you on the kale!
@PoppetsMaster - I am sure your absolute confidence comes from work with your clients and not from personal experience!2 -
PoppetsMaster wrote: »3 grams will NOT kill you. You are free to speculate on the absolute confidence behind that statement.
So...... You makin' the smoothie...... Then takin' us shoe shoppin'?
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PoppetsMaster wrote: »3 grams will NOT kill you. You are free to speculate on the absolute confidence behind that statement.
So...... You makin' the smoothie...... Then takin' us shoe shoppin'?
I'm in - at least for the shopping!3 -
I'm only after noticing the last ingredient- maybe that would speed me up a little
I've got 3, well 4 pairs of trainers only because I also have trouble parting with them! I only use the newest for running. Mine are Brooks Adrenalines and very old pair of Nike Lunarglides. I did have a pair of Asic's which I couldn't get rid of fast enough as all they gave me were blisters2 -
Shoes, smoothies, whats a girl to do. Today is myrest day and i just wanna thank y'all for providing the entertainment! Thank You-all!3
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I'm sad to say that I've completely lost track of the conversations here. I was doing really well (and really enjoying it!) until last week when life just got away from me a bit.
On the up-side - I surpassed my goal for the month by more than 10 miles! I've got my first official 10K next weekend, and today's "practice run" went really well.
4/1 - 2.2m easy
4/2 - 6.2m (my first full 10k!)
4/3 - 3.9m easy
4/4 - 2m easy
4/6 - 3.6m 8x400 @ 2:20/interval
4/8 - 4.1 easy
4/9 - 4m easy
4/10 - 6m @ 5k pace
4/11 - Skipped it - YIKES!
4/12 - 2.5 m easy
4/13 - 4m wog (speedwork fail!)
4/15 - 4 miles easy
4/16 - 6.5 HM pace
4/17 - 3m recovery
4/18 - 3m easy; 1 m fast
4/20 - 5m w/6x400 @ 2:15
4/23 - 2.75 m @5k pace & 3.5 m hiking
4/24 - 6.2m HM pace
4/27 - 4m @5k pace
4/29 - 5.2 m easy
4/30 - 6.2m @ HM pace
Total: 86/75
5/7 - Sgt. Larner Memorial 10k
6/25 - Jackson River Scenic Trail 10k
9/4 - VA Beach R&R Half Marathon
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April Running Totals (miles)
4/1 – scheduled rest day
4/2 – 13.31 easy
4/3 – 7.83 easy
4/4 – 4.59 easy 30 minutes + 4 strides
4/5 – 14.14 warm up + speed work
4/6 – 5.18 easy
4/7 – 11.45 – short warmup, long speed work
4/8 – scheduled rest day
4/9 – 7.30 speed work
4/10 – 11.67 easy
4/11 – 3.87 easy
4/12 – 7.78 warm up, speed work, cool down, commute
4/13 – 3.92 easy
4/14 – 7.30 warmup + light speed work
4/15 – 3.86 easy
4/16 – travel day, no running
4/17 – 2.70 very easy
4/18 – 26.39 Boston Marathon (couldn’t' run good tangents)
4/19 – travel day, no running
4/20 – 4.05 recovery run
4/21 – 5.28 easy
4/22 – 4.00 easy
4/23 – ad hoc rest day
4/24 – 13.26 Flower City Half
4/25 – planned rest day
4/26 – extra rest day
4/27 – 4 to 6 miles 3rd rest day
4/28 – maybe 2 or 3 easy miles 4th rest day
4/29 – 4.00 easy
4/30 – rest day
April total to date – 161.88
Nominal Challenge Goal – 200 miles
Real Goals: Taper well. Arrive at Hopkinton healthy. Run Boston well. Recover well.
Today's notes – Closing out the month with a rest day. After yesterday's 4 miles, the pesky right hip abductor is still sore this morning. I think I set myself back a day or two on leg recovery, but definitely helped with recovery from the cold.
Murphy's law and weather: The 4 days in a row I didn't run featured drop-dead gorgeous running weather. Weather was okay yesterday evening, clouds and mist/drizzle. Today I won't run, and it's drop-dead gorgeous running weather again. I hope to feel good enough to run tomorrow; the forecast is for a steady rain. If the legs cooperate, the rain will be the least of my worries.
Mentally, I feel much better for having run yesterday. Lots of non-running days in a row tend to get to me.
I threw out a May goal of 150 miles; I have no idea whether that will be too much or ludicrously low. The intellectual side says recover, run a couple weeks normal, then start training for Rochester. The emotional side of me says, "OMG! Your days of running long miles are over!" Kind of like taper, but with no race imminent.
Thinking about adding races to the calendar, but can't bring myself to pay up until I can run normally again. Normal for me, that is.
2016 races:
January 1, 2016 Resolution Run 7.5 mile (Mendon, NY) finished in 53:58
January 9, 2016 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY) finished in 1:30:59
March 12, 2016 Johnny's Runnin' of the Green 5 mile (Rochester, NY) finished in 32:32
March 26, 2016 Spring Forward Distance Run 15K (Mendon, NY) finished in 1:05:24
April 18, 2016 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA) finished in 3:23:01
April 24, 2016 Flower City Challenge Half Marathon (Rochester, NY) finished in 1:36:50, targeting MP
May 15, 2016 Highland Hospital Lilac Run 10K (Rochester, NY)
June 19, 2016 Medved 5K to Cure ALS (Rochester, NY)
July 16, 2016 Shoreline Half Marathon (Hilton, NY)
September 18, 2016 Rochester Marathon (Rochester, NY)
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Oh, the shoe competition! I'm nowhere near winning it, as I tend to stick with what has worked for me. The plan is to have 3 pair of Saucony Kinvaras in rotation. Right now I have 4, because the pair I thought I'd retire has lasted longer than expected, and I started a new pair before Boston so I'd be sure to have 2 pair to travel with.
So I have 4 pair of Kinvaras in play, 3 in boxes waiting for other shoes to be retired. I have 1 pair of Saucony Peregrines for snowy roads and trails, and 1 pair of Asics 33-M's that are a good walking shoe for me. Saw the wear on the M's this morning, and went online to order another pair. Also ordered more Superfeet Blue inserts, since I don't have enough on the shelf for all the shoes in boxes, and I found a good price today.
Old shoes get donated for recycling, I don't know whether they get worn again or turned into tracks and playground surfaces. But it's easier for me to donate them than pitch them, and I can't afford the space for all the running shoes I can't run in any more. And I couldn't use that many pair for walking, even if I hadn't found that the M's are better for walking than the Kinvaras. I did save one old pair of Pergrines for lawn mowing and snow shoveling duty; they're okay to walk in, too.
Disclaimer: I make no claim that Superfeet is a must have insert for everyone. I use them at the direction of my podiatrist. What's good for my feet might not be the best solution for your feet.1 -
4/1...5.0 @ 12:00 on the TM (4.0 @ 11:15 and 1.0 walking)
4/2....3.1 @ 11:45 through the neighborhood. My ankle hurt the first mile or so, especially on the uphill bits--downhill isn't too bad
4/3...Rest day
4/4...4.6 @ 11:32 on the rail trail and neighborhood streets
4/5...2.8 @ 11:50 on the TM--that's 2.3 (just to make it even!) @ 11:15 and .5 at a walk, plus strength training
4/6...Rest day, but I got to go help out at my son's RunFit club. Next time I'm wearing my own running shoes so I can chase him with a sharp stick so he doesn't walk so much! (That was a joke...don't call CPS or Jeff Galloway...)
4/7...7.0 @ 11:25 on the TM (This was really 6.25 at 11:05 and .75 walking to cool down)
4/8...2.0 @ 12:06 (just had a short time to run while the kids were at gym)
4/9...Unintended rest day. I got dressed to run...that counts for something, right? LOL
4/10...4.6 @ 13:39 with the slow poke pup. We ran about 3 miles in the 12:00 neighborhood and walked the rest. Well, I walked. He sniffed and did...doggy stuff.
4/11...3.0 @ 12:00 ish on the basement beheamoth. The kiddos were home sick from school so I was grounded, too.
4/12...2.25 @ 12:00 on the treadmill and strength training
4/13...6.2 @ 12:34 on the rail trail and neighborhood streets
4/14...Rest Day
4/15...4.75 @ 11:56 on the park trail. I decided to try running with earbuds so I couldn't hear my phone telling me how fast I was going. I settled in to a nice easy pace, but I didn't hold back either. This is the pace I love to run, and it was remarkably consistent, with splits of 11:55, 11:46, 12:03, 11:51 and 12:00.
4/16-17 I've been a slug with a terrible head cold, so no running.
4/18...5.0 @ 12:23 My first run in the heat...I was wilting by mile 4. The funny thing is that I looked at last year's run for today and lo and behold, I told myself then that I should remember water and sunscreen. Some people never learn!
4/19...3.5 @ 13:16 Ugh. I started out with the dog and then had to bring him back home because he just wouldn't get with the program. And then I was just sluggish with breathing troubles (oh, Spring, you are lovely but sneezy!!) It's probably good for me to just do a nice, easy run, but I was still a little disappointed.
4/20...4.75 @ 12:06 on the park trail. I'll be honest and say that I'm surprised my time was this slow--it felt like I was flying. It was a really nice run, though, and the weather was perfect. I think I was smiling the whole time.
4/21...Rest Day. I took my daughter to Temple University to visit with lots of walking...and food trucks!
4/22...3.5 @ a super easy 12:38 on the Perkiomen Trail--it was a wonderful run
4/23...6.25 @ 11:57 on the lake trail and roads for the Healthy Strides Community 10K
4/24...Rest Day
4/25...4.75 @ at an easy 12:23 on a new-to-me lake trail.
4/26...3.0 @ 12:40 (2 running, 1 walking) on the treadmill at the gym, and strength training
4/27-28 Rest Days
4/29...This was a planned run day, but had some sort of gallbladder attack? the night before and was in a bit of pain still in the morning.
4/30...5.2 @ 11:10 at the Run for the Children 8K. The three days of rest didn't seem to hurt too much. I had a good race today. It was far hillier than I anticipated, but I managed to keep a pretty steady pace (although not negative intervals) for the whole thing. I see that it isn't any better than my January race, but I was at the height of my half-marathon training and *not* dealing with anemia and gallbladder problems, so I'm still going to call it a win. I came in 9/21 for women in my age group, and 121/173 overall.
Completed races:
1/18 MLK 8K, Burke, VA 56:14
2/22 Princess Half, Orlando FL, 2:49:33
4/23 Healthy Strides Community 10K, Burke, VA 1:14:29
4/30 Run for the Children 8K, Fairfax, VA 56:35
Upcoming races:
5/21 RunFitKidz 5K, Springfield, VA
6/12 Celebrate Fairfax 5K, Fairfax, VA
7/4 Freedom 5K, Fairfax VA
9/5 Great American 5K, Fairfax, VA
Either Hemlock Half or Divas Half in September
10/30 MCM 10K, Washington, DC
11/6 The Parks 10K, Washington, DC
11/19 Potomac River Half, Carderock, MD
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I think I need more shoes..... I have 8 pair, but only 3 or 4 I run in. A pair I've yet to come to love, and 3-4 pair that are retired for walking and yard work.
Hey everyone- For entertainment these last few days of the month- HOW MANY SHOES DO YOU HAVE?
I only have a few pair:
2 pr retired Saucony Guide 8s
1 pr almost retired Guide 8s
1 pr almost retired Saucony Peregrine 5s
1 new pr Guide 9s
1 new pr Brooks Cascadia 11s
I also may have a pair of Mizuno Wave Inspire 12s in my shopping cart at Amazon...just being thoughtful about pushing "buy". They're marked down, but still $100.2 -
01-Apr: 0.00 miles but 4.42 miles (walk)
02-Apr: 6.63 miles
03-Apr: <Life Day>
04-Apr: 8.11 miles
05-Apr: 5.86 miles
06-Apr: 2.26 miles
07-Apr: 2.75 miles
08-Apr: 2.77 miles
09-Apr: 10.13 miles
10-Apr: <Life Day>
11-Apr: 7.53 miles
12-Apr: 2.79 miles
13-Apr: 3.33 miles
14-Apr: 3.26 miles
15-Apr: 3.28 miles
16-Apr: 9.28 miles
17-Apr: <Life Day>
18-Apr: 3.29 miles
19-Apr: 3.33 miles
20-Apr: 3.17 miles
21-Apr: 3.37 miles
22-Apr: 3.19 miles
23-Apr: 6.93 miles
24-Apr: <Life Day>
25-Apr: 8.74 miles
26-Apr: 6.52 miles
27-Apr: 3.27 miles
28-Apr: 6.72 miles
29-Apr: 6.66 miles
30-Apr: 9.30 miles
Just barely exceeded my goal. But if I can keep up the pace I had this week, it should be easy to hit the 135 goal for May.
Had to walk more of the long run this morning than I wanted, but I put in the time/steps, so I'm satisfied. Now for laundry and bill-paying and symphony this evening!
Upcoming Races:
06-May: Macon' Us Glow 5K
07-May: All About Animals 10.2K
14-May: Battle of Byron 5K AND
Back the Blue Glow Run 10K, WR
21-May: Georgia Jugfest 5K, Knoxville
28-May: GEICO/Special Olympics 5K OR
Edge Fitness 5K, Bonaire
30-May: Cordele Kiwanis 8K
03-Jun: Daylily Dash 5K, Gray
04-Jul: Peachtree Road Race 10K, Atlanta, GA
05-Sep: Labor Day Road Race 10K
17-Sep: Joshua's Wish 5K
24-Sep: Georgia Golden Olympics 5K1 -
4/1: Rest day!
4/2: 5 miles
4/3: 13.1 Caesar Rodney HM!
4/4: 3 miles with Joe to Go crew
4/5: Rest day
4/6: 10 miles (am), 6 miles (pm)
4/7: 7 miles tempo (am), 6 miles with Thursday crew (pm)
4/8: Rest day
4/9: 22 miles << Last super long run for this training cycle!
4/10: 10 miles
4/11: 6 miles with Joe to Go crew
4/12: Rest day!!!
4/13: 10 miles @ marathon pace
4/14: 8 miles (am), 6.4 miles with Thursday crew (pm)
4/15: Rest day!!
4/16: 10.75 miles + 6k (3.75 miles) race = 14.5 miles
4/17: 7.1 miles
4/18: 6 miles with Joe to Go crew
4/19: Rest day!
4/20: 8 miles
4/21: 6.4 miles with Thursday crew
4/22: Rest day!
4/23: 6 miles
4/24: 10 miles big group run
4/25: 4 miles with Joe to Go crew
4/26: Rest day
4/27: 6 miles
4/28: 6.4 miles
4/29: Rest day!
4/30: 3 miles
Went down to the expo this morning, but pre-expo my teammates and another running buddy and I ran 3 miles on the boardwalk out and back from the FINISH LINE!!! Good little shakeout run, and two of the five people assembled hadn't ran it before so this gave them a clear picture for tomorrow about where the finish is. Because the finish is always farther than you think it'll be!
The expo was fairly small, but I got so many free food samples, and the title sponsor was doing this thing that if you took a picture at their photo booth/station, then tagged it on Instagram, they would print a copy of the photo for you to keep. All for free! So I did that and snagged as much free swag as I could get.
I was really nervous last night when I went to bed, but felt ok this morning, at the run, at the expo, etc. Spending the afternoon eating and working on an Arabic presentation that I have to give on Monday, and then at 7 my running buddy (first timer for 26.2!) is coming down to paint nails and make throw-away arm warmers from socks and double-check our gear check bags. IT'S REALLY REAL! In 24 hours, I'll be a 4x marathon finisher! EEEK!
Upcoming Races:
3/12: Run O' The Mill 5K: New PR! 21:55
4/3: Caesar Rodney HM: New PR! 1:40:13
4/16: River Horse 6K (Ewing, NJ)
5/1: New Jersey Marathon (Lots of towns, NJ)
5/15: Princeton 5k << social event, not racing!
6/11: Pacers Princeton Halfway Half (Princeton, NJ)
7/4: a fourth of july race somewhere!
11/20: Philadelphia Marathon (Philly, PA)
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4 miles - middle 2 miles rolling hills - 9:44 average pace - 64 degrees 85% humidity - the misting rain and light breeze helped but things got pretty rough around mile 3 when they stopped temporarily and I was just left with the humidity. I've been waking up with super sore hips ever since I started doing the pilates so I did a 15 min warmup inside trying to loosen up before I ran. My hips started to burn the last mile.2
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Date Miles MTD ------ ----- ----- Apr 01 103.7 103.7 April Fools!! Apr 03 6.2 6.2 Cohasset 10K, PR and 19th in my age group! Apr 05 5.3T 11.5 Apr 06 3.8T 15.3 Apr 09 6.4 21.7 Apr 10 5.0 26.7 Apr 11 3.6T 30.3 Apr 12 3.8T 34.1 Apr 16 11.2 45.3 Apr 17 4.3 49.6 Apr 19 5.0 54.6 Apr 20 4.2 58.8 Apr 22 5.1 63.9 Apr 23 11.4 75.3 Apr 24 5.6 80.9 Apr 27 5.1 86.0 Apr 28 4.3 90.3 Apr 29 4.0 94.3 Apr 30 6.5 100.8
I really needed a rest day, but that 100-mile mark was hanging out there! So very slow, but it's done. Congratulations to all the April Running Challengers! See you all on the May thread!1 -
Nice Job making the century mark this month @vandinem !1
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4/29 2.25 miles
4/30 5.22 miles
Finally reached my goal of 50 miles!! I've had the same goal for months but would have an awful flare or something and couldn't make it. Yay! I went out for a short run yesterday to find out how my calf was feeling even though my schedule has me resting on Fridays. It was a little achy but not exactly painful. I figured I was good for my 70 minute run today and I was. I had a really pleasant run although a bit cold. It was day number 3 of running through some snow. Thankfully it isn't sticking or anything. See you all in May!
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Great job @dennie24 !0
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I went for a test run today. Knee still hurts not much progress but I went for it to see if it agravates.
Did 3.2 km until I started to feel uncomfortable in the knee and stopped. Upside is there was no aftermath and it didn't get worse.
Here's something I found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NwHNHNXsg0 1 -
4/30 - Recycled half marathon. Plan was to NOT race it hard. Because I want to save a lot for next weekend's full marathon. So I took it pretty easy overall. But I did pick it up the last few miles. Mile 11 was 7:29, mile 12 was 7:29, mile 13 was 7:11. Total time was 1:47 (8:10/mi). Vertical gain: 758ft. Still managed to get 13th OA, 4th AG.
The race conditions were: Heavy rain and temp of 48f. Minimal wind though. Felt great! Excited for next weekend!!
4/1 - Easy 10.1mi @ 8:25/mi
4/2 - rest.
4/3 - 1mi fun hike for views of SLC. 400ft vertical.
4/4 - Snowboard 41.8mi 30,000ft, descent (not counted on April total), 55.8mph top speed.
4/5 - 7.3mi mountain (steep) run. About 2,000ft vertical, 14:31/avg. Medium effort.
4/6 - Rest
4/7 - 4.5mi easy w speed bursts 8:50 - 5:40/mi
4/8 - rest
4/9 - Beginners Luck 25k trail race (2:53)
4/10 - 7.1mi on Black Mtn, 2,234ft vertical gain, 14:11/mi (PR)
4/11 - AM 9mi easy (8:41/mi) ---- PM 6.4mi trail (1,207ft vertical) -15.4mi total
4/12 - rest
4/13 - AM: 2.25mi Med w H bursts (6:59 avg). 2.25mi slow back. PM: 10.2mi @ glacial (9:05/mi) - 14.7mi total.
4/14 - 8.3mi easy. 463ft vert.
4/15 - 5mi all out. 36:14 (7:15/mi)
4/16 - 5.2mi recovery (873ft vert)
4/17 - 22mi long run (9:35/mi) (705ft vert)
4/18 - 3mi (7:31/mi)
4/19 - AM 6mi easy (7:57/mi) PM: 2.2mi (8:44/mi) - 8.2mi T
4/20 - 9.2mi steep mtn (3k vertical)
4/21 - rest
4/22 - 6.2mi (7:01/mi PR)
4/23 - rest
4/24 - 13.13mi (7:52/mi)
4/25 - rest
4/26 - 8.1mi (7:24/mi)
4/27 - rest
4/28 - 3.0mi
4/30 - 13.1mi (8:10/mi)
April total - 180.53 / 153mi2 -
@kristinegift- oh, I thought your M was today! OKay cool! Good luck tomorrow then!
Now I'm going to look for a place to donate all these old shoes! Thanks!
Programming competition was great - team came in first place. While sitting around talking to other teachers bumped my foot and toenail fell off. I knew it was going to happen (had the pain weeks ago) but didn't really plan on frightening everyone with that look. Would have worn one of my retired running shoes, and not cute little sandals. Although I doubt anyone actually would have noticed if I hadn't blurted out something. Don't even know what I said but I fear it wasn't appropriate4
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