"The End of Dieting" - and Toxic Hunger

jessicastanfill

I just finished reading "The End of Dieting" by Joel Fuhrman.
and I'm really confused about Toxic Hunger. Whoever has read this, can you please explain to me the difference between "Toxic hunger" and hunger? If you can describe the difference as you've experienced it.....I'm pretty sure I'm hungry right now, don't know if it's real hunger according to his definition??
THanks!

MommyL2015

The only thing you need to know is that Joel Fuhrman is a regular on Dr. Oz, so anything he says is most likely utter crap.

janejellyroll

It's a BS term made up to scare people into following his plan.

SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage

Toxic Hunger? WTF?
brb....Googling

janejellyroll

SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage wrote: »

Toxic Hunger? WTF?
brb....Googling

It's truly ridiculous.

SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage

MommyL2015 wrote: »

The only thing you need to know is that Joel Fuhrman is a regular on Dr. Oz, so anything he says is most likely utter crap.

And a world-class figure skater, according to his bio.

tincanonastring

I just read his stupid blog and I can actually feel my intelligence being sucked out through my eyeballs.

Toxic hunger is the group of symptoms a person experiences as our body mobilizes toxic wastes for elimination.

When our diet is low in nutrients, we build up intra-cellular waste products. So when digestion stops, our body goes through a period of “cleaning.” Meaning our tissues release toxic substances into circulation for removal. Our cells can harbor toxic products that will eventually make us sick.

These uncomfortable “detox symptoms” occur after a meal is digested and the digestive track is empty. We start to feel shaky, head-achy, weak, get abdominal cramps or spasms, which we believe are hunger symptoms because they are relieved by eating.

What a load of toxic BS.

rileysowner

It is, as people said, a term meant to scare people into using his program. He is yet another "woo" peddler.

tulips_and_tea

tincanonastring wrote: »

I just read his stupid blog and I can actually feel my intelligence being sucked out through my eyeballs.

Toxic hunger is the group of symptoms a person experiences as our body mobilizes toxic wastes for elimination.

When our diet is low in nutrients, we build up intra-cellular waste products. So when digestion stops, our body goes through a period of “cleaning.” Meaning our tissues release toxic substances into circulation for removal. Our cells can harbor toxic products that will eventually make us sick.

These uncomfortable “detox symptoms” occur after a meal is digested and the digestive track is empty. We start to feel shaky, head-achy, weak, get abdominal cramps or spasms, which we believe are hunger symptoms because they are relieved by eating.

What a load of toxic BS.

Yep, and yet I can think of a few people IRL that I know would believe this. Guess they aren't the only ones.

Problem is there is so much bad and untrue information out there it's hard to know what to believe, particularly when you're still in the mode of looking for a "magic pill" or quick fix.

tincanonastring

I just assume that if someone is trying to separate me from my money, that it's a scam (other than the gym and my grocer).

goldthistime

I'm also not a fan of Fuhrman. He lives in a world separate from science.

ReaderGirl3

MommyL2015 wrote: »

The only thing you need to know is that Joel Fuhrman is a regular on Dr. Oz, so anything he says is most likely utter crap.

Pretty much this.

Panda_brat

Toxic hunger, sounds like a bad guy on Aqua Teen hunger force.

SolotoCEO

Eat as clean as possible - fresh fruits and veggies, lean meats, whole grains. He refers to the processed foods as being the toxic - high calorie, low nutritional value. If you are hungry - eat! Just make smart choices.

concordancia

I recognize much of that woo from research into water fasting. Is he recommending extended fasts, as well?

paperpudding

SolotoCEO wrote: »

Eat as clean as possible - fresh fruits and veggies, lean meats, whole grains. He refers to the processed foods as being the toxic - high calorie, low nutritional value. If you are hungry - eat! Just make smart choices.

Some ( not all) processed foods may be high calorie, low nutrition but, no, they are not toxic.

corgicake

The only people who can use the word 'toxic' and still get taken seriously by me are those folks that get called if the rugrat ate or drank something that definitely isn't a grocery item.

eldamiano

Toxic hunger is when you are radioactive. Hunger is when you are hungry....

abadvat

toxic hunger where i come from are munchies... get baked - get toxic hunger!

kommodevaran

You can eat and eat and eat and get all the calories you need (and gain lots of weight) and still be hungry if you don't get enough of all the nutrients you need. You can also experience cravings for junk even though you are eating properly. This is the general idea, and it's valid. But the term is not good in combination with all the mumbo jumbo and fearmongering. Don't listen to that. (Don't take the joking about it too seriously either.) Just eat a well-rounded diet, appropriately portioned to your needs, and don't worry so much.

WinoGelato

tincanonastring wrote: »

I just read his stupid blog and I can actually feel my intelligence being sucked out through my eyeballs.

Toxic hunger is the group of symptoms a person experiences as our body mobilizes toxic wastes for elimination.

When our diet is low in nutrients, we build up intra-cellular waste products. So when digestion stops, our body goes through a period of “cleaning.” Meaning our tissues release toxic substances into circulation for removal. Our cells can harbor toxic products that will eventually make us sick.

These uncomfortable “detox symptoms” occur after a meal is digested and the digestive track is empty. We start to feel shaky, head-achy, weak, get abdominal cramps or spasms, which we believe are hunger symptoms because they are relieved by eating.

What a load of toxic BS.

That sounds like toxic logic...

jessicastanfill

some of these responses are hilarious THANK YOU

Jruzer

SolotoCEO wrote: »

Eat as clean as possible - fresh fruits and veggies, lean meats, whole grains. He refers to the processed foods as being the toxic - high calorie, low nutritional value. If you are hungry - eat! Just make smart choices.

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with the bolded sentence above.

Jleigh225

So according to Joel Fuhrman if I eat energy balls and a multi vitamin, I will be completely satiated? ALL THE NUTRIENTS

tincanonastring

But I don't wanna eat balls!

queenliz99

lemurcat12

Does toxic hunger result in an illegal smile?

OneTwentyThree

I fell into the trap and tried the diet he is promoting. Its basically a low calorie vegan diet and i dont understand how others become vegan, I felt really awful. Yes he was right I stopped feeling hunger but I also felt such low energy that my body probably didnt even care about hunger any more. No idea how people do long term veganism.

If you read the book reviews people claim it really works for them, I just dont get it. Its like a book on how to have an eating disorder.

janejellyroll

OneTwentyThree wrote: »

I fell into the trap and tried the diet he is promoting. Its basically a low calorie vegan diet and i dont understand how others become vegan, I felt really awful. Yes he was right I stopped feeling hunger but I also felt such low energy that my body probably didnt even care about hunger any more. No idea how people do long term veganism.

If you read the book reviews people claim it really works for them, I just dont get it. Its like a book on how to have an eating disorder.

Because most vegans don't eat anything like what he prescribes. I've been vegan for ten years . . . I eat "toxic" foods, cooked foods, fat, sweet stuff, an adequate number of calories.

The key to happy and healthy veganism is not to add a bunch of additional restrictions that don't have anything to do with avoiding animal exploitation and suffering.

OneTwentyThree

janejellyroll wrote: »

OneTwentyThree wrote: »

I fell into the trap and tried the diet he is promoting. Its basically a low calorie vegan diet and i dont understand how others become vegan, I felt really awful. Yes he was right I stopped feeling hunger but I also felt such low energy that my body probably didnt even care about hunger any more. No idea how people do long term veganism.

If you read the book reviews people claim it really works for them, I just dont get it. Its like a book on how to have an eating disorder.

Because most vegans don't eat anything like what he prescribes. I've been vegan for ten years . . . I eat "toxic" foods, cooked foods, fat, sweet stuff, an adequate number of calories.

The key to happy and healthy veganism is not to add a bunch of additional restrictions that don't have anything to do with avoiding animal exploitation and suffering.

Yea the issue with the diet probably wasnt the vegan part but the part that he eliminates fats, 0 salt, and very little carbs besides veggies. His veganism however has nothing to do with animal exploitation but its just a way he claims is healthier to eat.
I think his book should come with a warning that this doesnt work for everyone. I had 0 energy to exercise.
Also vegans end up having to take supplements that they miss out from meat.. In diets promoting veganism there should be a chapter dedicated to teaching this and advising how to get all necessary vitamins. And also what amount of protein is considered adequate and how to get it.

janejellyroll

OneTwentyThree wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

OneTwentyThree wrote: »

I fell into the trap and tried the diet he is promoting. Its basically a low calorie vegan diet and i dont understand how others become vegan, I felt really awful. Yes he was right I stopped feeling hunger but I also felt such low energy that my body probably didnt even care about hunger any more. No idea how people do long term veganism.

If you read the book reviews people claim it really works for them, I just dont get it. Its like a book on how to have an eating disorder.

Because most vegans don't eat anything like what he prescribes. I've been vegan for ten years . . . I eat "toxic" foods, cooked foods, fat, sweet stuff, an adequate number of calories.

The key to happy and healthy veganism is not to add a bunch of additional restrictions that don't have anything to do with avoiding animal exploitation and suffering.

Yea the issue with the diet probably wasnt the vegan part but the part that he eliminates fats, 0 salt, and very little carbs besides veggies.
I think his book should come with a warning that this doesnt work for everyone. I had 0 energy to exercise.
Also vegans end up having to take supplements that miss out from meat.. In diets promoting veganism there should be a chapter dedicated to teaching this and advising how to get all necessary vitamins. And also what amount of protein is considered adequate and how to get it.

The issue definitely wasn't the veganism, it was the additional restrictions. It's very difficult to get adequate calories, fat, and protein on his plan and the food you are eating isn't that enjoyable.