Pre-workout
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http://www.livescience.com/53095-do-preworkout-supplements-work.html
"Ultimately, while most preworkout supplements are probably not dangerous, there's little scientific backing for some of their more overblown claims.
In the supplement industry, it's about marketing; it's not about what's in the product," Moon said. "Supplements don't really do that much unless you're already doing a lot on your own."
And another written by a member here although no idea if he is still posting.....
The Pre-Workout Supplement Scam
by Scott Tousignant | Apr 16, 2015
http://metabolicmasterpiece.com/the-pre-workout-supplement-scam/
https://youtu.be/q96sH9ojYTM
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EC stack, best thing i tried so far0
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Wetcoaster wrote: »http://www.livescience.com/53095-do-preworkout-supplements-work.html
"Ultimately, while most preworkout supplements are probably not dangerous, there's little scientific backing for some of their more overblown claims.
In the supplement industry, it's about marketing; it's not about what's in the product," Moon said. "Supplements don't really do that much unless you're already doing a lot on your own."
And another written by a member here although no idea if he is still posting.....
The Pre-Workout Supplement Scam
by Scott Tousignant | Apr 16, 2015
http://metabolicmasterpiece.com/the-pre-workout-supplement-scam/https://youtu.be/q96sH9ojYTM
Good read, and I agree with what he says about underdosed preworkout "blends". Creatine and Beta Alanine are not timing dependent, but they are cumulative (meaning you need to take consistent, repeated doses to build an effective quantity in your system). People that say they only take pre-workout occasionally to get a little extra boost really aren't reaping the benefits of these ingredients.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
100 every couple weeks? Who does that? A preworkout is 30 tops. Sure... Some *kitten* companies claim to make you jump 509473727 feet and lift 18473lbs. But reputable ones without blends (Tier 1), and even the testing results per ingredient (Tier 1) are fantastic and help in ways a diet alone cannot. Is it needed, no. Will it help? Definitely.
It seems your anti supplement from all your statements, and that's cool. But don't spread false horse crap about products and that help someone. If 30 is a high cost.... get a better job.0 -
martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
100 every couple weeks? Who does that? A preworkout is 30 tops. Sure... Some *kitten* companies claim to make you jump 509473727 feet and lift 18473lbs. But reputable ones without blends (Tier 1), and even the testing results per ingredient (Tier 1) are fantastic and help in ways a diet alone cannot. Is it needed, no. Will it help? Definitely.
It seems your anti supplement from all your statements, and that's cool. But don't spread false horse crap about products and that help someone. If 30 is a high cost.... get a better job.
I understand the value of supplements in some cases. If you read what I posted, I'm saying an individual's basic nutrition and lifestyle is going to make a bigger difference in athletic performance than any legal supplement you can buy. If you have your nutrition right and want to try some supplements, no problem at all, they may very well help. I'm saying work on fixing the basics before running off to supplement, or do it in conjunction. Something in a GNC bottle isn't going to fix a steady diet of nutrient sparse foods and poor sleep.
I see too many people on these boards asking what's the best pre-workout supplement and post work out refuel for 30 minutes of light cardio when some water and maybe a piece of fruit or beef jerky, if anything at all, fits the bill. Supplements have become trendy instead of a legit tool for those training at high intensity and/or long duration.
And I do know people who are spending $100 every couple weeks at GNC bodybuilding.com or some multi-level marketeer for a variety of supplements (not just pre-workout).0 -
Sleep, diet, and food choices have very little to do with how you might "FEEL" on ... Xday.
OP never said her performance was lacking... she just needed a boost of energy, and if she's caffeine sensitive, a preworkout might be the key. Even if it's a placebo effect, and it works, terrific.
You're going into left field on a topic that was never brought up in any way. She never said "I have no energy". Just she needed a pick-me-up. Maybe coffee won't do it for her?
You might think supplements are trendy, but how do you know they don't work for some? Like I said, even if it's a placebo effect, and it gets them mentally ready, it will correlate to the body.
Well, I'm sorry you know dumb *kitten* kids who spend $100 weekly at GNC or Brobuilding.com.0 -
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Steel nutrition pre workout is the way to go!!!! I had already been using c-4 for some years now and was up to 2 1/2 scoops just to feel the beta alanine in it.(I get it someone is going to comment and probably tell me to cycle off) but I don't cycle off pre I just switch it up ....but anyways I took 1 scoop of steel nutrition pre-work and got more out of it then me taking 3 scoops of c-4. Its also cheaper which is always a plus ...you can get it at www.steelnutritioninc.com if your interested but best of luck !
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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
Why do you automatically assume that when someone asks about a pre-workout it's to cover up a bad diet?
I agree that many pre-packaged pre-workout are expensive and underdosed. I buy my supplements individually and in bulk. A fully dosed serving of the ingredients I listed above runs about $0.30.
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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
Why do you automatically assume that when someone asks about a pre-workout it's to cover up a bad diet?
I agree that many pre-packaged pre-workout are expensive and underdosed. I buy my supplements individually and in bulk. A fully dosed serving of the ingredients I listed above runs about $0.30.
Given the number of people overweight/obese and the number with diet related health issues, it's not really a bad assumption.
Do you think supplementation trumps a good diet, I'm guessing not. As I've said several times look at the factors that cause a perceived lack of energy, i.e, the root cause and then if you want supplement.
Just as a personal example, I was really dragging, wanted to nap when I hadn't napped for years. Went to the doctor, blood tests, found I had low iron, they did a bunch of tests including upper and lower GI to make sure there was no internal bleeding/cancer, etc. Tests came back fine, was put on an OTC iron supplement that fixed the problem. No pre-workout was going to take care of that.
Again, find the root cause of the problem, address it, then supplement for performance if desired.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
Why do you automatically assume that when someone asks about a pre-workout it's to cover up a bad diet?
I agree that many pre-packaged pre-workout are expensive and underdosed. I buy my supplements individually and in bulk. A fully dosed serving of the ingredients I listed above runs about $0.30.
Given the number of people overweight/obese and the number with diet related health issues, it's not really a bad assumption.
Do you think supplementation trumps a good diet, I'm guessing not. As I've said several times look at the factors that cause a perceived lack of energy, i.e, the root cause and then if you want supplement.
Just as a personal example, I was really dragging, wanted to nap when I hadn't napped for years. Went to the doctor, blood tests, found I had low iron, they did a bunch of tests including upper and lower GI to make sure there was no internal bleeding/cancer, etc. Tests came back fine, was put on an OTC iron supplement that fixed the problem. No pre-workout was going to take care of that.
Again, find the root cause of the problem, address it, then supplement for performance if desired.
So you're going to run wild assumptions based off of text, and what you perceive in your city.
Just because you had a personal experience with iron deficiency doesn't mean we all have health issues or a bad diet.
I'm an FBI cop, and have health and blood tests done regularly. I'm fine. And some days I feel tired, or like crap. Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it. And my kidneys are normal. And my workouts don't involve 30 minutes of light cardio.
If you can't afford a pre, that's fine, not everyone has money to dump of products. But don't bash something wildly used, studied, and known to work.0 -
martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
Why do you automatically assume that when someone asks about a pre-workout it's to cover up a bad diet?
I agree that many pre-packaged pre-workout are expensive and underdosed. I buy my supplements individually and in bulk. A fully dosed serving of the ingredients I listed above runs about $0.30.
Given the number of people overweight/obese and the number with diet related health issues, it's not really a bad assumption.
Do you think supplementation trumps a good diet, I'm guessing not. As I've said several times look at the factors that cause a perceived lack of energy, i.e, the root cause and then if you want supplement.
Just as a personal example, I was really dragging, wanted to nap when I hadn't napped for years. Went to the doctor, blood tests, found I had low iron, they did a bunch of tests including upper and lower GI to make sure there was no internal bleeding/cancer, etc. Tests came back fine, was put on an OTC iron supplement that fixed the problem. No pre-workout was going to take care of that.
Again, find the root cause of the problem, address it, then supplement for performance if desired.
So you're going to run wild assumptions based off of text, and what you perceive in your city.
Just because you had a personal experience with iron deficiency doesn't mean we all have health issues or a bad diet.
I'm an FBI cop, and have health and blood tests done regularly. I'm fine. And some days I feel tired, or like crap. Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it. And my kidneys are normal. And my workouts don't involve 30 minutes of light cardio.
If you can't afford a pre, that's fine, not everyone has money to dump of products. But don't bash something wildly used, studied, and known to work.
I'm not bashing anything. I'm glad you are healthy and find value in a preworkout. My point to the OP is make sure your health and diet is reasonable before relying on supplements. The impact of diet, sleep, etc on performance will be greater than supplements. If she is good with these things and/or working to improve no problem adding a supplement if she desires. Point is there are no magic pills, these are called supplements for a reason.
Also you mnrtioned my ability to afford supplements several times. know where my income sits compared to the population and based on that I could afford a preworkout better than the vast majority of people if I decided I wanted to use one.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
Why do you automatically assume that when someone asks about a pre-workout it's to cover up a bad diet?
I agree that many pre-packaged pre-workout are expensive and underdosed. I buy my supplements individually and in bulk. A fully dosed serving of the ingredients I listed above runs about $0.30.
Given the number of people overweight/obese and the number with diet related health issues, it's not really a bad assumption.
Do you think supplementation trumps a good diet, I'm guessing not. As I've said several times look at the factors that cause a perceived lack of energy, i.e, the root cause and then if you want supplement.
Just as a personal example, I was really dragging, wanted to nap when I hadn't napped for years. Went to the doctor, blood tests, found I had low iron, they did a bunch of tests including upper and lower GI to make sure there was no internal bleeding/cancer, etc. Tests came back fine, was put on an OTC iron supplement that fixed the problem. No pre-workout was going to take care of that.
Again, find the root cause of the problem, address it, then supplement for performance if desired.
So you're going to run wild assumptions based off of text, and what you perceive in your city.
Just because you had a personal experience with iron deficiency doesn't mean we all have health issues or a bad diet.
I'm an FBI cop, and have health and blood tests done regularly. I'm fine. And some days I feel tired, or like crap. Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it. And my kidneys are normal. And my workouts don't involve 30 minutes of light cardio.
If you can't afford a pre, that's fine, not everyone has money to dump of products. But don't bash something wildly used, studied, and known to work.
I'm not bashing anything. I'm glad you are healthy and find value in a preworkout. My point to the OP is make sure your health and diet is reasonable before relying on supplements. The impact of diet, sleep, etc on performance will be greater than supplements. If she is good with these things and/or working to improve no problem adding a supplement if she desires. Point is there are no magic pills, these are called supplements for a reason.
Also you mnrtioned my ability to afford supplements several times. know where my income sits compared to the population and based on that I could afford a preworkout better than the vast majority of people if I decided I wanted to use one.
Clearly you are bashing. Her food intake was never brought up, at all. She asked for a pre-workout, not advice on her overall macro-nutrient consumption.
Again, we all know food intake is important to performance. Anyone with a baseline knowledge in athletics knows this unless you're literally declared mentally retarded. But you never mentioned to add a pre in like you did, quoted above, until her intake was brought to attention and declared to not be an issues, so good way to back-track.
Also I did "mention" your ability to afford a supplement. That's cool you want to e-peen measure on MFP.... I deadlift 650 raw, squat 540, and bench 400 without a shirt. I can EPeen too... WOOOOOOOOOO
And a better pre for much more? Does it have EQ in it? DBol? Ah man... sounds like you got the hookup homie. You have no clue about a preworkout, what it's TRUE intention is. That last statement alone leads to me to believe you're some dude who probably runs.... benches 100 and doesn't even compound.0 -
martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
Why do you automatically assume that when someone asks about a pre-workout it's to cover up a bad diet?
I agree that many pre-packaged pre-workout are expensive and underdosed. I buy my supplements individually and in bulk. A fully dosed serving of the ingredients I listed above runs about $0.30.
Given the number of people overweight/obese and the number with diet related health issues, it's not really a bad assumption.
Do you think supplementation trumps a good diet, I'm guessing not. As I've said several times look at the factors that cause a perceived lack of energy, i.e, the root cause and then if you want supplement.
Just as a personal example, I was really dragging, wanted to nap when I hadn't napped for years. Went to the doctor, blood tests, found I had low iron, they did a bunch of tests including upper and lower GI to make sure there was no internal bleeding/cancer, etc. Tests came back fine, was put on an OTC iron supplement that fixed the problem. No pre-workout was going to take care of that.
Again, find the root cause of the problem, address it, then supplement for performance if desired.
So you're going to run wild assumptions based off of text, and what you perceive in your city.
Just because you had a personal experience with iron deficiency doesn't mean we all have health issues or a bad diet.
I'm an FBI cop, and have health and blood tests done regularly. I'm fine. And some days I feel tired, or like crap. Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it. And my kidneys are normal. And my workouts don't involve 30 minutes of light cardio.
If you can't afford a pre, that's fine, not everyone has money to dump of products. But don't bash something wildly used, studied, and known to work.
I'm not bashing anything. I'm glad you are healthy and find value in a preworkout. My point to the OP is make sure your health and diet is reasonable before relying on supplements. The impact of diet, sleep, etc on performance will be greater than supplements. If she is good with these things and/or working to improve no problem adding a supplement if she desires. Point is there are no magic pills, these are called supplements for a reason.
Also you mnrtioned my ability to afford supplements several times. know where my income sits compared to the population and based on that I could afford a preworkout better than the vast majority of people if I decided I wanted to use one.
Clearly you are bashing. Her food intake was never brought up, at all. She asked for a pre-workout, not advice on her overall macro-nutrient consumption.
Again, we all know food intake is important to performance. Anyone with a baseline knowledge in athletics knows this unless you're literally declared mentally retarded. But you never mentioned to add a pre in like you did, quoted above, until her intake was brought to attention and declared to not be an issues, so good way to back-track.
Also I did "mention" your ability to afford a supplement. That's cool you want to e-peen measure on MFP.... I deadlift 650 raw, squat 540, and bench 400 without a shirt. I can EPeen too... WOOOOOOOOOO
And a better pre for much more? Does it have EQ in it? DBol? Ah man... sounds like you got the hookup homie. You have no clue about a preworkout, what it's TRUE intention is. That last statement alone leads to me to believe you're some dude who probably runs.... benches 100 and doesn't even compound.
Dude...sounds like your supplements are giving you some rage. Chill.0 -
Wetcoaster wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
Why do you automatically assume that when someone asks about a pre-workout it's to cover up a bad diet?
I agree that many pre-packaged pre-workout are expensive and underdosed. I buy my supplements individually and in bulk. A fully dosed serving of the ingredients I listed above runs about $0.30.
Given the number of people overweight/obese and the number with diet related health issues, it's not really a bad assumption.
Do you think supplementation trumps a good diet, I'm guessing not. As I've said several times look at the factors that cause a perceived lack of energy, i.e, the root cause and then if you want supplement.
Just as a personal example, I was really dragging, wanted to nap when I hadn't napped for years. Went to the doctor, blood tests, found I had low iron, they did a bunch of tests including upper and lower GI to make sure there was no internal bleeding/cancer, etc. Tests came back fine, was put on an OTC iron supplement that fixed the problem. No pre-workout was going to take care of that.
Again, find the root cause of the problem, address it, then supplement for performance if desired.
So you're going to run wild assumptions based off of text, and what you perceive in your city.
Just because you had a personal experience with iron deficiency doesn't mean we all have health issues or a bad diet.
I'm an FBI cop, and have health and blood tests done regularly. I'm fine. And some days I feel tired, or like crap. Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it. And my kidneys are normal. And my workouts don't involve 30 minutes of light cardio.
If you can't afford a pre, that's fine, not everyone has money to dump of products. But don't bash something wildly used, studied, and known to work.
I'm not bashing anything. I'm glad you are healthy and find value in a preworkout. My point to the OP is make sure your health and diet is reasonable before relying on supplements. The impact of diet, sleep, etc on performance will be greater than supplements. If she is good with these things and/or working to improve no problem adding a supplement if she desires. Point is there are no magic pills, these are called supplements for a reason.
Also you mnrtioned my ability to afford supplements several times. know where my income sits compared to the population and based on that I could afford a preworkout better than the vast majority of people if I decided I wanted to use one.
Clearly you are bashing. Her food intake was never brought up, at all. She asked for a pre-workout, not advice on her overall macro-nutrient consumption.
Again, we all know food intake is important to performance. Anyone with a baseline knowledge in athletics knows this unless you're literally declared mentally retarded. But you never mentioned to add a pre in like you did, quoted above, until her intake was brought to attention and declared to not be an issues, so good way to back-track.
Also I did "mention" your ability to afford a supplement. That's cool you want to e-peen measure on MFP.... I deadlift 650 raw, squat 540, and bench 400 without a shirt. I can EPeen too... WOOOOOOOOOO
And a better pre for much more? Does it have EQ in it? DBol? Ah man... sounds like you got the hookup homie. You have no clue about a preworkout, what it's TRUE intention is. That last statement alone leads to me to believe you're some dude who probably runs.... benches 100 and doesn't even compound.
Dude...sounds like your supplements are giving you some rage. Chill.
You determined that off of text? Sketchy.0 -
"Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it."
@martyqueen52, hope your life insurance is paid up, you loved ones might want it when something blows up.
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Packerjohn wrote: »"Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it."
@martyqueen52, hope your life insurance is paid up, you loved ones might want it when something blows up.
I'll take my doctors advice over yours. Perfectly safe for me. I noticed you're not one for detail either. Notice how I said sometimes? Yea... GG on comprehension.
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martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »"Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it."
@martyqueen52, hope your life insurance is paid up, you loved ones might want it when something blows up.
I'll take my doctors advice over yours. Perfectly safe for me. I noticed you're not one for detail either. Notice how I said sometimes? Yea... GG on comprehension.
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Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »"Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it."
@martyqueen52, hope your life insurance is paid up, you loved ones might want it when something blows up.
I'll take my doctors advice over yours. Perfectly safe for me. I noticed you're not one for detail either. Notice how I said sometimes? Yea... GG on comprehension.
Only takes one.
Better be a good one then to take me down. Unless you're a doctor please refrain from giving me advice on caffeine consumption. Or any for that matter health related.0 -
Haymaker is totally awesome!!! I buy it off vitamin world.com and right now they have em buy one get one! It is awesome!0
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I take mine to wake up in the morning. It has caffeine, vitamin C, Beta Alanine (hence the tingle that reminds me it's working), and other ingredients that get me ready for a rough workout at 6am in the morning. I started taking it when I gave up sugar, because I don't like black coffee. I also don't like sweeteners, so no coffee = really rough start to a workout in the AM. However, in the afternoons when I work out I rarely take it because food/carbs/protein throughout the day is enough. I also buy the cheaper stuff at Wal-Mart made by Six Star/Muscletech. Tastes decent, mixes well with my BCAA's and wakes me right up within 30 minutes at 5:30 in the morning.0
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martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »"Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it."
@martyqueen52, hope your life insurance is paid up, you loved ones might want it when something blows up.
I'll take my doctors advice over yours. Perfectly safe for me. I noticed you're not one for detail either. Notice how I said sometimes? Yea... GG on comprehension.
Only takes one.
Better be a good one then to take me down. Unless you're a doctor please refrain from giving me advice on caffeine consumption. Or any for that matter health related.
Actually I was giving financial advice regarding having your life insurance paid. I do have a financial background.
To be honest I'm a bit surprised if someone tells their doctor they stack preworkout and monster on occasion and the doctor doesn't do a WTH0 -
Well you seem to be in a bad mood.....or is that normal?martyqueen52 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »You guys are using "pre-workout" and "stimulant" interchangeably. My pre-workout stack includes six ingredients: creatine, beta alanine, citrulline malate, taurine, carnitine and caffeine. Only one of those items can be considered a stimulant.
Do your research.
Exactly. I take the exact same (Tier1). There's a huge benefit to those that a lot of novice lifters and people who don't compete, fail to understand.
Does a preworkout stack or any anything other than eating regular meals help a high level athlete? They might. For the other 99+% cleaning up regular nutrition and lifestyle is a much bigger benefit than supplements.
False dichotomy. Your diet can be on point AND you can take supplements.
Not False At ALL. I said fixing basic nutrition is much more benefit to the vast majority of us then droppig 100 every couple weeks at gnc to try and fix the problem.
Sure you can take supplements if your diet is spot on. May very well help but the spot on diet and lifestyle is the 800 pound gorilla in the corner
Why do you automatically assume that when someone asks about a pre-workout it's to cover up a bad diet?
I agree that many pre-packaged pre-workout are expensive and underdosed. I buy my supplements individually and in bulk. A fully dosed serving of the ingredients I listed above runs about $0.30.
Given the number of people overweight/obese and the number with diet related health issues, it's not really a bad assumption.
Do you think supplementation trumps a good diet, I'm guessing not. As I've said several times look at the factors that cause a perceived lack of energy, i.e, the root cause and then if you want supplement.
Just as a personal example, I was really dragging, wanted to nap when I hadn't napped for years. Went to the doctor, blood tests, found I had low iron, they did a bunch of tests including upper and lower GI to make sure there was no internal bleeding/cancer, etc. Tests came back fine, was put on an OTC iron supplement that fixed the problem. No pre-workout was going to take care of that.
Again, find the root cause of the problem, address it, then supplement for performance if desired.
So you're going to run wild assumptions based off of text, and what you perceive in your city.
Just because you had a personal experience with iron deficiency doesn't mean we all have health issues or a bad diet.
I'm an FBI cop, and have health and blood tests done regularly. I'm fine. And some days I feel tired, or like crap. Sometimes my concoction of a Monster or coffee with my preworkout does it. And my kidneys are normal. And my workouts don't involve 30 minutes of light cardio.
If you can't afford a pre, that's fine, not everyone has money to dump of products. But don't bash something wildly used, studied, and known to work.
I'm not bashing anything. I'm glad you are healthy and find value in a preworkout. My point to the OP is make sure your health and diet is reasonable before relying on supplements. The impact of diet, sleep, etc on performance will be greater than supplements. If she is good with these things and/or working to improve no problem adding a supplement if she desires. Point is there are no magic pills, these are called supplements for a reason.
Also you mnrtioned my ability to afford supplements several times. know where my income sits compared to the population and based on that I could afford a preworkout better than the vast majority of people if I decided I wanted to use one.
Clearly you are bashing. Her food intake was never brought up, at all. She asked for a pre-workout, not advice on her overall macro-nutrient consumption.
Again, we all know food intake is important to performance. Anyone with a baseline knowledge in athletics knows this unless you're literally declared mentally retarded. But you never mentioned to add a pre in like you did, quoted above, until her intake was brought to attention and declared to not be an issues, so good way to back-track.
Also I did "mention" your ability to afford a supplement. That's cool you want to e-peen measure on MFP.... I deadlift 650 raw, squat 540, and bench 400 without a shirt. I can EPeen too... WOOOOOOOOOO
And a better pre for much more? Does it have EQ in it? DBol? Ah man... sounds like you got the hookup homie. You have no clue about a preworkout, what it's TRUE intention is. That last statement alone leads to me to believe you're some dude who probably runs.... benches 100 and doesn't even compound.
Dude...sounds like your supplements are giving you some rage. Chill.
You determined that off of text? Sketchy.0
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