Help a vegetable hater
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JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Wait a minute. If your photo indicates that you are actually at a reasonable BMI, why would you care what your doctor wants you to eat? What's it to your doctor?
Oh people--please read the thread. The guy says he gets excruciating pain from eating sugar and went to the doctor about it. He's a vet, and works for the government regulating pesticide use--hence fears veggies, rot, worms, etc. Paranoid, left wives (he says) because they tried to sneak veggies in his food, and he could no longer trust them. Gags and throws up when in a situation having to eat vegetables. Doctor said to avoid sugar if he has such a strong reaction. Alot of this mess is in his head. Have to fix that first, but he's in denial--of course.5 -
You originally stated you wanted to avoid veggies because you hated the taste of them (all of them, without exception!!) and they make you gag. Now you are saying it's because of all the pesticides etc in them. Make your mind up.
I'm sorry, but you are a man of 27 who got "blown up" in Iraq and you gag on veggies? Get a grip man, you are worse than a toddler. Puree some carrots and put them in spaghetti bolognese, you won't taste them. And you say you can't eat potatoes even? Not a chip, not mashed not crispy roasted?
Vegetables have so many textures, flavours and ways to cook them that it is not possible you have tried all combinations. Corn on the cob is totally opposite to say boiled cabbage or slow roasted aubergines. So, is it the taste or the fact a bug may have thrown up on your pesticide riddled tomato?
Either way, and without any sarcasm, please seek counselling, it's NOT normal for a 27 year old man to feel this way.
On the other hand, if you are a troll looking for some Friday entertainment. Go away.
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Frankly you've made your decision to restrict your diet and not tolerate even the suggestion of eating anything you hate. Fair enough, I hope that works out for you. Good luck.0
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have you thought about growing your own?1
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"Cold, hard facts" from the Washington Post and not an actual scientific study haha. But anyway here are your answers:
Tuna/chicken + mayo
Pepperoni, salami, prosciuttto
Meatballs or meatloaf
Shrimp, salmon, tuna, tilapia, oysters, clams, etc.
Hot dogs, sausage
Bacon
Almonds or peanuts
Cheese (sticks, cubes, slices)
Eggs (fried, scrambled, omelettes, frittatas)
Butter, oil
Strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, raspberries (most other fruit will be high in sugar)
You can probably find recipes here that are low in sugar if you skip over the ones with veggies: http://alldayidreamaboutfood.com/recipes
Examples: Buffalo chicken meatballs, pizza rolls, no bake chocolate energy bites, mini corn dog bites, taco meatloaf, pizza chicken, etc.
As you can see, though, all that falls into the categories you already have because there are only so many limited amounts of foods on this planet.
cold hard facts yes... The post does have its references...
I gave you legitimately good solutions and that's what you focus on? Cool bro, good luck.1 -
girlinahat wrote: »have you thought about growing your own?
He's been asked that a couple of times but hasn't responded. I garden organically--you can build your soil by digging in chopped leaves and grass from a non-chemical sprayed lawn; you can use diatomaceous earth (finely powdered shells from ancient sea creatures) for most pest control, and even better, use row covers so you don't have fruit flies poopin' and pukin' on your food; just earthworms poopin' on the roots. For fertilizer, you can buy fish emulsion which is made from ground-up fish (no vegetables involved!), blood meal, bone meal, and chicken feather meal. So even your plants don't have to be subjected to evil pesticide vegetable cooties.
That being said, there are some flags that make me dubious of his claims overall. If his claims are true, he definitely needs counselling.1 -
This is probably the weirdest thread I've ever read.
There is such a thing as washing produce, you know.4 -
You claim to have seen many specialists, including dieticians, so I'm not sure why you are even here, other than to start a riot. But playing devil's advocate, I'll assume that you really do not know what a lentil is, and have survived this far on candy bars, ramen noodles, and hamburger. I hope you didn't spend too much on that dietician.
So. I get it. I worked in the environmental testing arena for years. I tested for all of the horrible things that we are exposed to. Pesticides, PCBs, dioxins, PAHs, VOCs, POPs, etc. Went through my own crisis of not wanting to eat anything that was contaminated (even more so didn't want to feed it to my child). Unfortunately, the reality is that everything is contaminated. Organic pollutants are ubiquitous. Nothing on this Earth is pure, from the arctic to the tropics. By eating food, animals are not "processing" out the contaminants. Sure, maybe some of the more volatile ones get excreted, but the most persistent ones, and the most toxic ones are not going anywhere but into the fatty flesh. Dioxins and furans are some of the most toxic chemicals known. The major sources of human dioxin contamination are beef, dairy, and fish. Whatcha gonna eat now? It's in poultry and pork too. I was heavily involved with an EPA fish study, and still have a hard time eating fish --but I do eat salmon. The thing about salmon is that the benefits outweigh the risks. And it's the same thing with vegetables. Eat the organic ones, and you are getting the benefits and minimizing pesticide risk as much as you can. Your issue with the dirt, the bugs, the bug poop, the bug puke is one of several signs of needing counseling. Not to mention your issue with people trying to get you to eat vegetables.
I think you understand that you do need the nutrients that are in vegetables. So here is what you need to do:
Option 1) You need to spend all of your time obsessing about contaminants in every breath you take, every sip of water, everything you eat. You need to research all of the nutrients you are missing because of your food avoidances. Assuming you do actually know *all* of the nutrients you are missing, you need to figure out how many supplements you need to purchase, where your supplements come from (China?), what all is in them, the source of each ingredient, whether or not what is in them is in the right form to be utilized by your body... (somebody joked about eating soylent, but it does exist - a 100% zero actual food supplement shake (https://www.soylent.com/products/))...
OR,
Option 2) you can make educated compromises to live your life comfortably and as healthy as possible, without the obsession. Because the benefits outweigh the risks.
Assuming you are willing to eat real food, hopefully someday... check out EWG's guide to produce. They have tested both conventional and organic produce and have a list of the ones you should definitely avoid due to pesticide residue and those that are fine to eat. You can drill down in their website and actually see the testing results. https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary.php. There is a similar guide for seafood.
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jenovatrix wrote: »This is probably the weirdest thread I've ever read.
There is such a thing as washing produce, you know.
Agree with the weird. Unfortunately, systemic pesticides do not wash off.0 -
You need to consider counselling.....
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Help a vegetable hater ... I will not EVER in a million years force myself to eat vegetables not even if it was the only thing to eat on this planet.
I hate working out. I hate getting out of bed in the morning. I hate going to work. I hate doing my taxes and paying bills.
I do these things because that's what grown-ups do.
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If you hate the taste of plain (or steamed, blanched, pureed, ect...) vegetables, why don't you try Indian dishes? It's the only way I have ever been able to eat veggies.
If not Indian, then there might be some other cuisine you can try that will help with your aversion. It's just a matter of trying different things until you find something that you can enjoy.0 -
Oh C'mon! Hating veg is like hating life itself. Add olive oil and salt to fresh cooked veg and you'll be good to go!0
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smotheredincheese wrote: »Ok I know you don't want advice on how to eat vegetables and would rather die than eat them...BUT: the word 'vegetable' covers a huge spectrum of foods. I am sceptical than you can truly dislike them all.
Do you eat potatoes for instance?
This is just silly, when a Dr says eat more vegetables she doesn't mean potatoes lol0 -
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The above is all true and how I see it. Once I saw a nutritionist here on TV in Italy talking about contaminants in foods and he said "You can't avoid them, so I suggest that you spread the risk around, meaning that you eat a little of everything and don't concentrate one contaminant, which is where the danger lies". Don't always eat the same things--change it up.CorneliusPhoton wrote: »You claim to have seen many specialists, including dieticians, so I'm not sure why you are even here, other than to start a riot. But playing devil's advocate, I'll assume that you really do not know what a lentil is, and have survived this far on candy bars, ramen noodles, and hamburger. I hope you didn't spend too much on that dietician.
So. I get it. I worked in the environmental testing arena for years. I tested for all of the horrible things that we are exposed to. Pesticides, PCBs, dioxins, PAHs, VOCs, POPs, etc. Went through my own crisis of not wanting to eat anything that was contaminated (even more so didn't want to feed it to my child). Unfortunately, the reality is that everything is contaminated. Organic pollutants are ubiquitous. Nothing on this Earth is pure, from the arctic to the tropics. By eating food, animals are not "processing" out the contaminants. Sure, maybe some of the more volatile ones get excreted, but the most persistent ones, and the most toxic ones are not going anywhere but into the fatty flesh. Dioxins and furans are some of the most toxic chemicals known. The major sources of human dioxin contamination are beef, dairy, and fish. Whatcha gonna eat now? It's in poultry and pork too. I was heavily involved with an EPA fish study, and still have a hard time eating fish --but I do eat salmon. The thing about salmon is that the benefits outweigh the risks. And it's the same thing with vegetables. Eat the organic ones, and you are getting the benefits and minimizing pesticide risk as much as you can. Your issue with the dirt, the bugs, the bug poop, the bug puke is one of several signs of needing counseling. Not to mention your issue with people trying to get you to eat vegetables.
I think you understand that you do need the nutrients that are in vegetables. So here is what you need to do:
Option 1) You need to spend all of your time obsessing about contaminants in every breath you take, every sip of water, everything you eat. You need to research all of the nutrients you are missing because of your food avoidances. Assuming you do actually know *all* of the nutrients you are missing, you need to figure out how many supplements you need to purchase, where your supplements come from (China?), what all is in them, the source of each ingredient, whether or not what is in them is in the right form to be utilized by your body... (somebody joked about eating soylent, but it does exist - a 100% zero actual food supplement shake (https://www.soylent.com/products/))...
OR,
Option 2) you can make educated compromises to live your life comfortably and as healthy as possible, without the obsession. Because the benefits outweigh the risks.
Assuming you are willing to eat real food, hopefully someday... check out EWG's guide to produce. They have tested both conventional and organic produce and have a list of the ones you should definitely avoid due to pesticide residue and those that are fine to eat. You can drill down in their website and actually see the testing results. https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary.php. There is a similar guide for seafood.
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snowflake954 wrote: »The above is all true and how I see it. Once I saw a nutritionist here on TV in Italy talking about contaminants in foods and he said "You can't avoid them, so I suggest that you spread the risk around, meaning that you eat a little of everything and don't concentrate one contaminant, which is where the danger lies". Don't always eat the same things--change it up.
Thanks for your reply! You said it much more succinctly than I did.
Ciao!
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CorneliusPhoton wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »The above is all true and how I see it. Once I saw a nutritionist here on TV in Italy talking about contaminants in foods and he said "You can't avoid them, so I suggest that you spread the risk around, meaning that you eat a little of everything and don't concentrate one contaminant, which is where the danger lies". Don't always eat the same things--change it up.
Thanks for your reply! You said it much more succinctly than I did.
Ciao!
We can exchange congratulations, because your post was packed with realistic information--I enjoyed it.0 -
You can eat bread, peanut butter, and bread.2
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Jeffrey300050 wrote: »smotheredincheese wrote: »Ok I know you don't want advice on how to eat vegetables and would rather die than eat them...BUT: the word 'vegetable' covers a huge spectrum of foods. I am sceptical than you can truly dislike them all.
Do you eat potatoes for instance?
This is just silly, when a Dr says eat more vegetables she doesn't mean potatoes lol
hey, pizza is a vegetable according to congress - http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45306416/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/pizza-vegetable-congress-says-yes/1 -
Better not breathe the air or take a bath or shower either. The chemicals (not to mention pharmaceuticals) leech into the ground water and evaporate into the air. The water is drunk by the animals that we eat and they are ingesting it as well. We are doomed. It's the end of the world as we know it.3
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I was reading this thread on the bus, and I missed my bus stop as I was so engrossed in it...
OP, you are a grown up, you make your own choices. Eat what you want, face the consequences. That's ultimately what all of us do, every day, in many ways.
Also, there's a billion things out there to get us. But, the average life expectancy where I live is about 79-80, and I'm ok with that. The paranoid world you inhabit seems to have us all dropping dead from pesticides all over the place - how come we can all expect to live to a good old age?
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I was reading this thread on the bus, and I missed my bus stop as I was so engrossed in it...
OP, you are a grown up, you make your own choices. Eat what you want, face the consequences. That's ultimately what all of us do, every day, in many ways.
Also, there's a billion things out there to get us. But, the average life expectancy where I live is about 79-80, and I'm ok with that. The paranoid world you inhabit seems to have us all dropping dead from pesticides all over the place - how come we can all expect to live to a good old age?
Other chemicals? (medicine)
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I appreciate everyone's effort to encourage me to try "this one or that one." Or to keep insisting that I can't hate "all" of them. When in fact, I hate them all and I will never try to eat one more vegetable as long as I live.
I've tried many over the years, I'm 27.. When I say many I mean A LOT. When you meet a girlfriends parents for dinner and her mom made something green... You can't be mean but you can make a small portion and mix it with something and fight the urge to throw up all over her china set after scarfing it down as fast possible trying not to taste it. Or how about when your grandma invites you over for dinner same thing applies or dinner with the church folks and family gatherings... Or how about because you know greens are healthy and its a good diet so you try them 5 or 6 different times of different kinds of veggies and you instantly gag and spit them out. Or how about when you're a child and your parents say "eat your veggies then you can go play" so you take one bite and hate it, so you feed them to your dog after everyone has left the room, or when you didn't have a dog so you just stared at them for at least an hour before your mom gave in. How about when you make a protein shake with them but you think about it having vegetables in it so you spend the rest of your night nauseous. A couple of my ex's literally tried to hide carrots (diced) and peas in my soup one time and spaghetti the other time... I literally never felt the same way about them after that. The fact that they know I hate vegetables and that they would literally try and force me to do something I don't want to do. I dislike them period. Just the thought of them makes me sick... Just like the thought of eating a deer or any kind of meat makes you sick.
The nuts is a great idea. So is the beans,
Do I eat potatoes? No, not even french fries...
Just to clarify... and REPEAT I do not need vegetables because I take supplements... Just like some of you don't need meats because you have protein shakes...
Thank you for understanding and not trying to bring me to the dark side. My mom has tried, my ex's have tried, my friends have tried... I assure you, you will lose this battle. I will not eat a vegetable. Lucky that I even eat fruits.
What makes the veggies so bad to me? Lets see, first, they grow in the dirt.. Where it is sprayed with pesticides (I work in the pesticide business. I know some effects that it has on the plants when a neglectful farmer doesn't mind the way he sprays or over mixes his batch of chemicals.) Some insects live and breed in your vegetables... Fruit flies for example love moist damp areas so a greenhouse is perfect for them... And no you cannot control fruit flies completely in a commercial workplace because the rotten and bad food will get tossed in the same place everyday. Think of a bar.. Ever seen one that didn't have fruit flies? Didn't think so... But anyways, Fruit flies live on nasty foods that are rotten/decomposing. They prefer moist areas... They lay eggs every day. They hatch into larva every day.. They become maggots, and then a fly. Fly's land on your food, poop it out, eat their own poop, (actually they don't eat anything they suck it up through a genetic straw like thing much like a mosquito.) then they puke it up and lay an egg on the puke. Do you know why? Because the larva cannot eat whole foods so they need the liquid puke in order to survive. All of this is done in less than 30 seconds. And this is just one bug that inhabits your vegetables and fruits. I could go on for days about all the farms pests I've been called out to for an "expert opinion" and guess what.. Their food still got sold... Even if it was pooped, puked, and shat on.. Theirs plenty of others pests too... springtails, earwigs, caterpillars, moths, weevils etc... all do some vile nasty things that none of you know about and none of you realize what you're actually eating.
Not eating vegetables isn't a bad thing. I think everyone is focusing on the vegetable thing and not your comment about sugar. Sugar is easily avoidable and you seem to stay away from carbs that the body turns into sugar for storage. But the easiest way to avoid sugar is cutting out anything like sweet teas, soda, adding extra sugar to coffees, etc. I know many healthy people, fitness junkies that avoid vegetables and are in the best shape. But I'm sure you know that information, and that info about beverages that contain sugar, or artificial sweeteners. I personally don't drink soda, or high sugar content foods. But like you, I was told to avoid too much sugar by my doctor due to becoming a prediabetic. So, no ice cream or candy for me after that, because like I said, I don't drink anything with sugar in it.
I know this didn't help, but I found it odd that those that commented said something about vegetables.
Good luck!
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JYereRun79 wrote: »I appreciate everyone's effort to encourage me to try "this one or that one." Or to keep insisting that I can't hate "all" of them. When in fact, I hate them all and I will never try to eat one more vegetable as long as I live.
I've tried many over the years, I'm 27.. When I say many I mean A LOT. When you meet a girlfriends parents for dinner and her mom made something green... You can't be mean but you can make a small portion and mix it with something and fight the urge to throw up all over her china set after scarfing it down as fast possible trying not to taste it. Or how about when your grandma invites you over for dinner same thing applies or dinner with the church folks and family gatherings... Or how about because you know greens are healthy and its a good diet so you try them 5 or 6 different times of different kinds of veggies and you instantly gag and spit them out. Or how about when you're a child and your parents say "eat your veggies then you can go play" so you take one bite and hate it, so you feed them to your dog after everyone has left the room, or when you didn't have a dog so you just stared at them for at least an hour before your mom gave in. How about when you make a protein shake with them but you think about it having vegetables in it so you spend the rest of your night nauseous. A couple of my ex's literally tried to hide carrots (diced) and peas in my soup one time and spaghetti the other time... I literally never felt the same way about them after that. The fact that they know I hate vegetables and that they would literally try and force me to do something I don't want to do. I dislike them period. Just the thought of them makes me sick... Just like the thought of eating a deer or any kind of meat makes you sick.
The nuts is a great idea. So is the beans,
Do I eat potatoes? No, not even french fries...
Just to clarify... and REPEAT I do not need vegetables because I take supplements... Just like some of you don't need meats because you have protein shakes...
Thank you for understanding and not trying to bring me to the dark side. My mom has tried, my ex's have tried, my friends have tried... I assure you, you will lose this battle. I will not eat a vegetable. Lucky that I even eat fruits.
What makes the veggies so bad to me? Lets see, first, they grow in the dirt.. Where it is sprayed with pesticides (I work in the pesticide business. I know some effects that it has on the plants when a neglectful farmer doesn't mind the way he sprays or over mixes his batch of chemicals.) Some insects live and breed in your vegetables... Fruit flies for example love moist damp areas so a greenhouse is perfect for them... And no you cannot control fruit flies completely in a commercial workplace because the rotten and bad food will get tossed in the same place everyday. Think of a bar.. Ever seen one that didn't have fruit flies? Didn't think so... But anyways, Fruit flies live on nasty foods that are rotten/decomposing. They prefer moist areas... They lay eggs every day. They hatch into larva every day.. They become maggots, and then a fly. Fly's land on your food, poop it out, eat their own poop, (actually they don't eat anything they suck it up through a genetic straw like thing much like a mosquito.) then they puke it up and lay an egg on the puke. Do you know why? Because the larva cannot eat whole foods so they need the liquid puke in order to survive. All of this is done in less than 30 seconds. And this is just one bug that inhabits your vegetables and fruits. I could go on for days about all the farms pests I've been called out to for an "expert opinion" and guess what.. Their food still got sold... Even if it was pooped, puked, and shat on.. Theirs plenty of others pests too... springtails, earwigs, caterpillars, moths, weevils etc... all do some vile nasty things that none of you know about and none of you realize what you're actually eating.
Not eating vegetables isn't a bad thing. I think everyone is focusing on the vegetable thing and not your comment about sugar. Sugar is easily avoidable and you seem to stay away from carbs that the body turns into sugar for storage. But the easiest way to avoid sugar is cutting out anything like sweet teas, soda, adding extra sugar to coffees, etc. I know many healthy people, fitness junkies that avoid vegetables and are in the best shape. But I'm sure you know that information, and that info about beverages that contain sugar, or artificial sweeteners. I personally don't drink soda, or high sugar content foods. But like you, I was told to avoid too much sugar by my doctor due to becoming a prediabetic. So, no ice cream or candy for me after that, because like I said, I don't drink anything with sugar in it.
I know this didn't help, but I found it odd that those that commented said something about vegetables.
Good luck!
JSchlieve
Because everyone wonders where he's going to get his nutrients from. He has a problem with fruitflies and pesticides, so fruit is out too. Take out fruit and vegetables and what's left? Not much.0 -
I honestly don't like vegetables, I add broccoli every once and a while but like you refuse to eat them. There are many other alternatives that you can take in order to cut sugars and not eat vegetables and still reach your results. Add more fruits to your lifestyle to receive more natural sugars. Brown rice, parboiled rice sweet potato. Just got to look and find out what works for you and adapt it that's all.1
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My physician has used hypnotherapy to help people deal with very issue. It works but then you have to want to change. Good luck2
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Pinkylee77 wrote: »My physician has used hypnotherapy to help people deal with very issue. It works but then you have to want to change. Good luck
This sounds like a good idea.0 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »Help a vegetable hater ... I will not EVER in a million years force myself to eat vegetables not even if it was the only thing to eat on this planet.
I hate working out. I hate getting out of bed in the morning. I hate going to work. I hate doing my taxes and paying bills.
I do these things because that's what grown-ups do.
Ya know, I really freakin hate doing my taxes. So I do it on April 15 each year (April 17 this year, WHOOHOO!!!). I wonder what's the last minute equivalent for a vegetable hater?
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OP, you said you went to the ER and the doctor told you xyz. ER docs basically have to treat people very quickly, make sure they're safe and stable and send them on their way to follow up with their doctor. Was this avoid sugar plan developed through a thorough face to face conversation with your regular doctor, or just the ER doc? Sorry if I misunderstood. Especially with some of the previous and really current work you mention, I'm just wondering if the source of your excruciating pain has been properly investigated.
Now in case this has already been done, go to the diary settings page:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings
There you can add sugar as a nutrient to be tracked. You can only track calories and five additional nutrients, so you may have to delete one that's already there. Coming to think of it, MFP loads sugar as one of the default six so none of this may be necessary
A lot of people log their entire day in advance. Play around with meal combinations that give you your target sugar levels. Did you agree on an actual amount of sugar for you to consume, or just eat very little sugar?
Not that I'd ever do it myself but some of the options for you to possibly investigate may be low carb or keto lifestyle. Those diets contain lower sugar levels depending on which one you pick0
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