English Muffins
Pam_1965
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Why is there such a weight difference between a toasted and non-toasted English Muffin? I can't imagine 5 grams falling off in the toaster.
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Water evaporation.7
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Water. It dries up a bit when toasted.1
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Which weight is best to use?0
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I usually just weigh it after I toast it, it's not that big a difference. Other people might weigh before.0
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Thank you!0
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5g isn't much to worry about is it? If it was something calorie dense like peanut butter or oils then yeah 5g adds up fast.
Brb looking up English muffins.
5g English muffin looks to be 10 calories, imo not enough to worry over.
When in doubt use the larger weight.1 -
The weight on the label isn't toasted so I always weigh it before toasting.8
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5g isn't much to worry about is it? If it was something calorie dense like peanut butter or oils then yeah 5g adds up fast.
Brb looking up English muffins.
5g English muffin looks to be 10 calories, imo not enough to worry over.
When in doubt use the larger weight.
I was only referring to the muffin, certainly not peanut butter.0 -
5g isn't much to worry about is it? If it was something calorie dense like peanut butter or oils then yeah 5g adds up fast.
Brb looking up English muffins.
5g English muffin looks to be 10 calories, imo not enough to worry over.
When in doubt use the larger weight.
I was only referring to the muffin, certainly not peanut butter.
He was comparing english muffins and peanut butter in terms of calorie density, not suggesting that you included it in the weight of your english muffins.1 -
Wait...you weigh your English muffin??? It says on the package that this is a serving for the calorie amount. Why do you need to weigh it? I've managed to lose weight just fine without weighing it. Please let me know why?0
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Wait...you weigh your English muffin??? It says on the package that this is a serving for the calorie amount. Why do you need to weigh it? I've managed to lose weight just fine without weighing it. Please let me know why?
Each English muffin has a different calorie count. People working on a very small deficit need to account for these differences, whether that means weighing food, not eating exercise calories, or adjusting the calorie goal down a bit.2 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »5g isn't much to worry about is it? If it was something calorie dense like peanut butter or oils then yeah 5g adds up fast.
Brb looking up English muffins.
5g English muffin looks to be 10 calories, imo not enough to worry over.
When in doubt use the larger weight.
I was only referring to the muffin, certainly not peanut butter.
He was comparing english muffins and peanut butter in terms of calorie density, not suggesting that you included it in the weight of your english muffins.
Yes, I know that. We were just talking about a 5g difference and how it's not significant for an English muffin. It all started with "5g isn't much to worry about?"0 -
Wait...you weigh your English muffin??? It says on the package that this is a serving for the calorie amount. Why do you need to weigh it? I've managed to lose weight just fine without weighing it. Please let me know why?
If you are eating at a 1000 calorie deficit then using the information on the package is probably ok. If you only have a 250 (or less) deficit per day then it can make a difference in weighing the food vs using the package info. The packages can be off my 10-20%. I weigh most things and if it is something I eat a lot I usually know if the packaging can be trusted (my laughing cow cheese is always spot on) or not (oatmeal is always off).4 -
I always weigh bagels and English muffins because I only eat one half of them and they aren't always split evenly. I weigh foods before cooking if possible.1
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I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.0
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WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
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This is how I understand it and maybe someone else will chime in as well. Say your Tdee (bmi + exercise) is 1650 (just an example and as a short small sedentary female it's not too far off for me) and you're eating 1400 cals per day, you only have a 250 cal/day deficit. You would have to be very careful logging food/exercise correctly to not wipe out this small 250 calorie deficit. So if the bread was 25% heavier than it shows one serving to be you can choose to eat the correct svg size having a smaller piece, or logging 1.25 servings so the cals eaten is correct:)WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
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@tiffanifair is right. A pound is 3500 calories, so to lose 1 pound per week you need to eat 500 calories less per day than you burn. 3500/7=500. A person who is trying to lose 2 pounds per week needs a 1000 calorie deficit per day. For 1.5 pounds you need a 750 per day deficit, for 1 pound 500 and for a .5 pound loss per week you need a 250 calorie deficit. Someone who is trying to lose .5 pound per week doesn't have room for errors in their logging. Someone who is trying to lose 2 pounds per week will probably still lose weight even if their logging is off. When I weigh things that are more than the serving says it is (like my oatmeal) I just log what the actual weight is. If it is supposed to be 45 g and the weight is 49 g then you divide 49/45=1.09. So I would log it as 1.09 servings. You could remove some of the oatmeal until it weighs 45 g if you want.
I am that shorter, sedentary female that tiffani spoke of (and I'm almost 50) so my maintenance calories are not that high. I didn't always weigh prepackaged foods, but now that I am down 48 pounds and only have 12 to go my deficit is only 250 and there really isn't any room for error.6 -
WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
I still eat all of it, I just log it. For example, a serving size of my bread is 43 grams. I weigh it, and it weighs 49 grams. I log 49 grams on here (myfitnesspal). Sometimes grams aren't an option in the MFP entry for the bread (it might just be in slices), so then I'd log 1.14 slice (49 grams/43 grams).
A deficit is calories burned throughout the day minus calories eaten. Calories burned should be higher than calories eaten if you want to lose weight. How quickly you lose weight is based on the deficit. The higher the deficit, the more quickly you lose. I have a very small deficit (~200 calories per day) because I only want to lose a couple pounds. So I burn 1750 calories per day and eat 1550 calories.
It's very easy to accidentally eat 200 calories, which is why accuracy is very important with logging your food when you have a very small deficit.2 -
Which weight is best to use?
The package information will typically be for non toasted.
(I'm lax about packaged things since I don't eat a ton of them, and just would log the one muffin without weighing, personally, and never had a problem doing this. However, as you see above, many will point out that the weight can be off a decent amount.)2 -
WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
I still eat all of it, I just log it. For example, a serving size of my bread is 43 grams. I weigh it, and it weighs 49 grams. I log 49 grams on here (myfitnesspal). Sometimes grams aren't an option in the MFP entry for the bread (it might just be in slices), so then I'd log 1.14 slice (49 grams/43 grams).
A deficit is calories burned throughout the day minus calories eaten. Calories burned should be higher than calories eaten if you want to lose weight. How quickly you lose weight is based on the deficit. The higher the deficit, the more quickly you lose. I have a very small deficit (~200 calories per day) because I only want to lose a couple pounds. So I burn 1750 calories per day and eat 1550 calories.
It's very easy to accidentally eat 200 calories, which is why accuracy is very important with logging your food when you have a very small deficit.
How do you figure how much you burn per day? I appreciate all of your help as well as others! Thanks!
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WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
I still eat all of it, I just log it. For example, a serving size of my bread is 43 grams. I weigh it, and it weighs 49 grams. I log 49 grams on here (myfitnesspal). Sometimes grams aren't an option in the MFP entry for the bread (it might just be in slices), so then I'd log 1.14 slice (49 grams/43 grams).
A deficit is calories burned throughout the day minus calories eaten. Calories burned should be higher than calories eaten if you want to lose weight. How quickly you lose weight is based on the deficit. The higher the deficit, the more quickly you lose. I have a very small deficit (~200 calories per day) because I only want to lose a couple pounds. So I burn 1750 calories per day and eat 1550 calories.
It's very easy to accidentally eat 200 calories, which is why accuracy is very important with logging your food when you have a very small deficit.
So wouldn't it make more sense to program mpf to say you want to lose more so it's not so hard to accidentally eat 200 more calories? Even if you don't want or need to lose more? This just confuses me with the deficits, etc. I guess what I'm asking is why have a small deficit if it's harder? Do you get less calories to eat this way or more? Just wondering for when I get to the maintenance phase.
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Doesn't it give you the calorie per muffin on the label? Just use that. Weighing each muffin individually would make me sad.0
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WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
I still eat all of it, I just log it. For example, a serving size of my bread is 43 grams. I weigh it, and it weighs 49 grams. I log 49 grams on here (myfitnesspal). Sometimes grams aren't an option in the MFP entry for the bread (it might just be in slices), so then I'd log 1.14 slice (49 grams/43 grams).
A deficit is calories burned throughout the day minus calories eaten. Calories burned should be higher than calories eaten if you want to lose weight. How quickly you lose weight is based on the deficit. The higher the deficit, the more quickly you lose. I have a very small deficit (~200 calories per day) because I only want to lose a couple pounds. So I burn 1750 calories per day and eat 1550 calories.
It's very easy to accidentally eat 200 calories, which is why accuracy is very important with logging your food when you have a very small deficit.
So wouldn't it make more sense to program mpf to say you want to lose more so it's not so hard to accidentally eat 200 more calories? Even if you don't want or need to lose more? This just confuses me with the deficits, etc. I guess what I'm asking is why have a small deficit if it's harder? Do you get less calories to eat this way or more? Just wondering for when I get to the maintenance phase.
Because as you get closer to goal, your deficit is smaller. If you have a lot of weight to lose, you can safely cut a lot of calories from your day. For example, someone who burns 4000 calories per day can easily cut 1000 calories giving them a large deficit (of 1000). If you burn 1500 calories per day it is NOT advisable or safe to have a large deficit (of 1000) and eat 500 calories a day. What would be more reasonable is cutting about 200 calories from their day (a small deficit). Does that make sense?5 -
Doesn't it give you the calorie per muffin on the label? Just use that. Weighing each muffin individually would make me sad.
From everything I have read on here the whole point is to weigh everything (even pre packages foods) because the actual weight of each item is not what the package says. Even the Nutrisystem packages foods weighs more than the serving size they list. I only have 10 pounds to go and I weigh EVERYTHING. If my food item weighs less than the package says I just put the actual serving size, but if it weighs more I do the math.6 -
WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
I still eat all of it, I just log it. For example, a serving size of my bread is 43 grams. I weigh it, and it weighs 49 grams. I log 49 grams on here (myfitnesspal). Sometimes grams aren't an option in the MFP entry for the bread (it might just be in slices), so then I'd log 1.14 slice (49 grams/43 grams).
A deficit is calories burned throughout the day minus calories eaten. Calories burned should be higher than calories eaten if you want to lose weight. How quickly you lose weight is based on the deficit. The higher the deficit, the more quickly you lose. I have a very small deficit (~200 calories per day) because I only want to lose a couple pounds. So I burn 1750 calories per day and eat 1550 calories.
It's very easy to accidentally eat 200 calories, which is why accuracy is very important with logging your food when you have a very small deficit.
How do you figure how much you burn per day? I appreciate all of your help as well as others! Thanks!
Experience. I've done many periods of maintenance. (Maintenance is when you eat to stay the same weight.) I logged my calories during maintenance and monitored my weight, so I knew how many calories I was eating while maintaining the same weight. It's also just an average (some days I eat more, some less).
MFP will estimate your burn based on your gender, height, weight, and activity level. I started there and adjusted as needed.2 -
WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
I still eat all of it, I just log it. For example, a serving size of my bread is 43 grams. I weigh it, and it weighs 49 grams. I log 49 grams on here (myfitnesspal). Sometimes grams aren't an option in the MFP entry for the bread (it might just be in slices), so then I'd log 1.14 slice (49 grams/43 grams).
A deficit is calories burned throughout the day minus calories eaten. Calories burned should be higher than calories eaten if you want to lose weight. How quickly you lose weight is based on the deficit. The higher the deficit, the more quickly you lose. I have a very small deficit (~200 calories per day) because I only want to lose a couple pounds. So I burn 1750 calories per day and eat 1550 calories.
It's very easy to accidentally eat 200 calories, which is why accuracy is very important with logging your food when you have a very small deficit.
So wouldn't it make more sense to program mpf to say you want to lose more so it's not so hard to accidentally eat 200 more calories? Even if you don't want or need to lose more? This just confuses me with the deficits, etc. I guess what I'm asking is why have a small deficit if it's harder? Do you get less calories to eat this way or more? Just wondering for when I get to the maintenance phase.
Because I like to eat more.
Also, being on a larger deficit can be hard on your body, especially if you're active. I'm a runner, and my runs suck if I eat less than 1500 calories or so per day.
But yes, I could potentially set my calories lower and not worry so much about the logging. However, I've tried that already. One of my weight plateaus was caused by inaccurate logging (not weighing my food and just estimating). Weighing your food may seem like overkill, but once you start, it'll really open your eyes.2 -
WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
I still eat all of it, I just log it. For example, a serving size of my bread is 43 grams. I weigh it, and it weighs 49 grams. I log 49 grams on here (myfitnesspal). Sometimes grams aren't an option in the MFP entry for the bread (it might just be in slices), so then I'd log 1.14 slice (49 grams/43 grams).
A deficit is calories burned throughout the day minus calories eaten. Calories burned should be higher than calories eaten if you want to lose weight. How quickly you lose weight is based on the deficit. The higher the deficit, the more quickly you lose. I have a very small deficit (~200 calories per day) because I only want to lose a couple pounds. So I burn 1750 calories per day and eat 1550 calories.
It's very easy to accidentally eat 200 calories, which is why accuracy is very important with logging your food when you have a very small deficit.
So wouldn't it make more sense to program mpf to say you want to lose more so it's not so hard to accidentally eat 200 more calories? Even if you don't want or need to lose more? This just confuses me with the deficits, etc. I guess what I'm asking is why have a small deficit if it's harder? Do you get less calories to eat this way or more? Just wondering for when I get to the maintenance phase.
Because I like to eat more. Also, being on a larger deficit can be hard on your body, especially if you're active. I'm a runner, and my runs suck if I eat less than 1500 calories or so per day.
But yes, I could potentially set my calories lower and not worry so much about the logging. However, I've tried that already. One of my weight plateaus was caused by inaccurate logging (not weighing my food and just estimating). Weighing your food may seem like overkill, but once you start, it'll really open your eyes.
Thanks so much for explaining this. I do agree about weighing as I've noticed oatmeal as well as other food items not being accurate. I just never gave bread a thought to weigh. Would you weigh granola bars as well? It totally makes sense as far as eating more if you don't have much to lose. I weigh 145 and would like to get to 135-140. I'm 5'6. I started at 1200 calories/day. What would you recommend for me to eat now? Should I stick with 1200 or go up to the next level?
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WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
I still eat all of it, I just log it. For example, a serving size of my bread is 43 grams. I weigh it, and it weighs 49 grams. I log 49 grams on here (myfitnesspal). Sometimes grams aren't an option in the MFP entry for the bread (it might just be in slices), so then I'd log 1.14 slice (49 grams/43 grams).
A deficit is calories burned throughout the day minus calories eaten. Calories burned should be higher than calories eaten if you want to lose weight. How quickly you lose weight is based on the deficit. The higher the deficit, the more quickly you lose. I have a very small deficit (~200 calories per day) because I only want to lose a couple pounds. So I burn 1750 calories per day and eat 1550 calories.
It's very easy to accidentally eat 200 calories, which is why accuracy is very important with logging your food when you have a very small deficit.
How do you figure how much you burn per day? I appreciate all of your help as well as others! Thanks!
Experience. I've done many periods of maintenance. (Maintenance is when you eat to stay the same weight.) I logged my calories during maintenance and monitored my weight, so I knew how many calories I was eating while maintaining the same weight. It's also just an average (some days I eat more, some less).
MFP will estimate your burn based on your gender, height, weight, and activity level. I started there and adjusted as needed.
Where do I find the estimate for my burn?
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WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »WickedPineapple wrote: »I noticed the same thing with other breads. My multigrain bread lost ~10 grams, so I always weigh my bread before I toast it. As others have mentioned, when you're on a small deficit these things add up.
So do you not eat all of it if it's more or do you just eat half of it? When you talk about a small deficit do you mean as far as how many calories you can eat like 1200 calories a day? I get confused with what this means..
I still eat all of it, I just log it. For example, a serving size of my bread is 43 grams. I weigh it, and it weighs 49 grams. I log 49 grams on here (myfitnesspal). Sometimes grams aren't an option in the MFP entry for the bread (it might just be in slices), so then I'd log 1.14 slice (49 grams/43 grams).
A deficit is calories burned throughout the day minus calories eaten. Calories burned should be higher than calories eaten if you want to lose weight. How quickly you lose weight is based on the deficit. The higher the deficit, the more quickly you lose. I have a very small deficit (~200 calories per day) because I only want to lose a couple pounds. So I burn 1750 calories per day and eat 1550 calories.
It's very easy to accidentally eat 200 calories, which is why accuracy is very important with logging your food when you have a very small deficit.
So wouldn't it make more sense to program mpf to say you want to lose more so it's not so hard to accidentally eat 200 more calories? Even if you don't want or need to lose more? This just confuses me with the deficits, etc. I guess what I'm asking is why have a small deficit if it's harder? Do you get less calories to eat this way or more? Just wondering for when I get to the maintenance phase.
Because I like to eat more. Also, being on a larger deficit can be hard on your body, especially if you're active. I'm a runner, and my runs suck if I eat less than 1500 calories or so per day.
But yes, I could potentially set my calories lower and not worry so much about the logging. However, I've tried that already. One of my weight plateaus was caused by inaccurate logging (not weighing my food and just estimating). Weighing your food may seem like overkill, but once you start, it'll really open your eyes.
Thanks so much for explaining this. I do agree about weighing as I've noticed oatmeal as well as other food items not being accurate. I just never gave bread a thought to weigh. Would you weigh granola bars as well? It totally makes sense as far as eating more if you don't have much to lose. I weigh 145 and would like to get to 135-140. I'm 5'6. I started at 1200 calories/day. What would you recommend for me to eat now? Should I stick with 1200 or go up to the next level?
Most granola bars are 10-20 calories off in my experience.1
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