Crossfit.What do people think?
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kimdawnhayden wrote: »
Yep. Dead hang for life.
This is where people need to realize they are 2 distinct and separate movements. Well 3 if you count butterfly pull ups. Its not about which is a "real" pull up. Its about using the appropriate movement for the task at hand.
Next you're going to tell me push presses and military presses are different and one of those isn't wrong and/or cheating...
They are different which you admit by virtue of implying that one is wrong.
With regard to cheating, it depends on the function of the movement. With the push press, the goal is to move the weight from the shoulders to overhead in a safe, efficient and repeatable fashion. The push press meets all of those criteria. The military press does as well (for the most part), but is lacking in the efficiency part. The push press is more of a functional movement as well, which is a cornerstone of the CF concept. The ability to drive from the legs and through the torso to the arms is important for sports and other aspects of life.
The military press may very well be better at focused strength and body building goals. These are not normally an aspiration in the crossfit regimen.0 -
kimdawnhayden wrote: »
Yep. Dead hang for life.
This is where people need to realize they are 2 distinct and separate movements. Well 3 if you count butterfly pull ups. Its not about which is a "real" pull up. Its about using the appropriate movement for the task at hand.
Next you're going to tell me push presses and military presses are different and one of those isn't wrong and/or cheating...
They are different which you admit by virtue of implying that one is wrong.
With regard to cheating, it depends on the function of the movement. With the push press, the goal is to move the weight from the shoulders to overhead in a safe, efficient and repeatable fashion. The push press meets all of those criteria. The military press does as well (for the most part), but is lacking in the efficiency part. The push press is more of a functional movement as well, which is a cornerstone of the CF concept. The ability to drive from the legs and through the torso to the arms is important for sports and other aspects of life.
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I wondered how long before we would get the required animated gif of someone doing kipping pullups. It's a different type of pullup. Some days we are required to do strict pullups. Some days it is a Chest to Bar pullup. Some days it is a muscle up. It is all a progression. A muscle up is a real world useful skill to have. Unlike the real world usefulness of a strict wrist curl.2
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kimdawnhayden wrote: »
Yep. Dead hang for life.
This is where people need to realize they are 2 distinct and separate movements. Well 3 if you count butterfly pull ups. Its not about which is a "real" pull up. Its about using the appropriate movement for the task at hand.
Next you're going to tell me push presses and military presses are different and one of those isn't wrong and/or cheating...
They are different which you admit by virtue of implying that one is wrong.
With regard to cheating, it depends on the function of the movement. With the push press, the goal is to move the weight from the shoulders to overhead in a safe, efficient and repeatable fashion. The push press meets all of those criteria. The military press does as well (for the most part), but is lacking in the efficiency part. The push press is more of a functional movement as well, which is a cornerstone of the CF concept. The ability to drive from the legs and through the torso to the arms is important for sports and other aspects of life.
I can't see the pic but if you are saying you were being sarcastic, then I apologize for not picking up on that.0 -
kimdawnhayden wrote: »
Yep. Dead hang for life.
This is where people need to realize they are 2 distinct and separate movements. Well 3 if you count butterfly pull ups. Its not about which is a "real" pull up. Its about using the appropriate movement for the task at hand.
Next you're going to tell me push presses and military presses are different and one of those isn't wrong and/or cheating...
They are different which you admit by virtue of implying that one is wrong.
With regard to cheating, it depends on the function of the movement. With the push press, the goal is to move the weight from the shoulders to overhead in a safe, efficient and repeatable fashion. The push press meets all of those criteria. The military press does as well (for the most part), but is lacking in the efficiency part. The push press is more of a functional movement as well, which is a cornerstone of the CF concept. The ability to drive from the legs and through the torso to the arms is important for sports and other aspects of life.
I can't see the pic but if you are saying you were being sarcastic, then I apologize for not picking up on that.
Yes, it was completely tongue in cheek.1 -
kimdawnhayden wrote: »
Yep. Dead hang for life.
This is where people need to realize they are 2 distinct and separate movements. Well 3 if you count butterfly pull ups. Its not about which is a "real" pull up. Its about using the appropriate movement for the task at hand.
Next you're going to tell me push presses and military presses are different and one of those isn't wrong and/or cheating...
Because you're right. Push Press is different than a Strict Military Press. Deadlift is different than Sumo Deadlift. Back Squat different than Front Squat. Power Clean different than Squat Clean. And...Strict Pull-ups in all their variations (Narrow Grip, Normal Grip, Wide Grip, Neutral Grip, Chin-up) are different than Kipping Pull-up, Butterfly Pull-up, Muscle-ups, Strict Muscle-ups, Bar Muscle-ups, and Strict Bar Muscle Ups. Did I miss any?
You do all of these different exercises at different times during Cross-Fit. They all have a purpose. You sound stupid when you go straight to Kipping Pull-ups and say they aren't real pull-ups. If you mean Strict Normal Grip, then you're right. So what? Nobody is saying they are the same? Do they get you stronger? Yes. Do they provide a great conditioning work-out, especially when paired with something like Thrusters (which you're right, are not Military Presses, nor Front Squats, nor Cleans)? Heck yea.
I couldn't pay enough to line up a group of CF haters (who laugh at Kipping Pull-ups) and feel it's not good training, and watch them run through Fran. It would be too funny.
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I'm trying to decide who is more defensive: vegans or crossfitters.7
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
Now deceased, of course.5 -
lukehealy_12 wrote: »Just found out there a is a crossfit gym in my town. So i started doing some research and found some mix reviews. What do you lot think? does it really make you as fit as they say they do on all these websites?
Looks like all you'll get are more mixed reviews.
My opinion of CrossFit is that it's not for me, I prefer to run my own program. But there are many people who love CF so clearly there's something beneficial there to be had.
If you find yourself in a rut, or need a jump-start, you could do far worse than CF.2 -
ArmyofAdrian wrote: »lukehealy_12 wrote: »Just found out there a is a crossfit gym in my town. So i started doing some research and found some mix reviews. What do you lot think? does it really make you as fit as they say they do on all these websites?
Looks like all you'll get are more mixed reviews.
My opinion of CrossFit is that it's not for me, I prefer to run my own program. But there are many people who love CF so clearly there's something beneficial there to be had.
If you find yourself in a rut, or need a jump-start, you could do far worse than CF.
Yep. No way to know if it's for you except to try it. Most gyms (I refuse to call it a "box") will let you try a class or 2 for free. I've never done it but I suspect it's like most things: you get out what you put into it.0 -
It averages a 14-18% injury rate, usually due to heavy Olympic lifts preformed at high speeds and repetitions. All I need to know. I definitely respect the few who understand how to preform the lifts, they are in incredible shape0
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It averages a 14-18% injury rate, usually due to heavy Olympic lifts preformed at high speeds and repetitions. All I need to know. I definitely respect the few who understand how to preform the lifts, they are in incredible shape
Where does this number come from? How does it compare to other forms of exercise?0 -
3dogsrunning wrote: »It averages a 14-18% injury rate, usually due to heavy Olympic lifts preformed at high speeds and repetitions. All I need to know. I definitely respect the few who understand how to preform the lifts, they are in incredible shape
Where does this number come from? How does it compare to other forms of exercise?
1. Science!
2. Worse. So much worse. Crossfit is more dangerous than every other pursuit known to man, perhaps even than everything else combined. It is known.1 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »It averages a 14-18% injury rate, usually due to heavy Olympic lifts preformed at high speeds and repetitions. All I need to know. I definitely respect the few who understand how to preform the lifts, they are in incredible shape
Where does this number come from? How does it compare to other forms of exercise?
1. Science!
2. Worse. So much worse. Crossfit is more dangerous than every other pursuit known to man, perhaps even than everything else combined. It is known.
Except climbing Everest.1 -
Try it, get the proper form down. I go twice a week, spin class, run ultras and marathons, bike, swim, spin class, trx...body flow, lift...it all helps and the good things about classes are the good friends who are in there with you..and I do a lot of the same stuff on my own..try it, find what you like and work hard and enjoy...proper form1
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »It averages a 14-18% injury rate, usually due to heavy Olympic lifts preformed at high speeds and repetitions. All I need to know. I definitely respect the few who understand how to preform the lifts, they are in incredible shape
Where does this number come from? How does it compare to other forms of exercise?
1. Science!
2. Worse. So much worse. Crossfit is more dangerous than every other pursuit known to man, perhaps even than everything else combined. It is known.
Except climbing Everest.
Can you imagine if a vegan crossfitter tried to climb Everest?1 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »It averages a 14-18% injury rate, usually due to heavy Olympic lifts preformed at high speeds and repetitions. All I need to know. I definitely respect the few who understand how to preform the lifts, they are in incredible shape
Where does this number come from? How does it compare to other forms of exercise?
1. Science!
2. Worse. So much worse. Crossfit is more dangerous than every other pursuit known to man, perhaps even than everything else combined. It is known.
Except climbing Everest.
Can you imagine if a vegan crossfitter tried to climb Everest?
They would literally never stop talking about it! Haha
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3dogsrunning wrote: »It averages a 14-18% injury rate, usually due to heavy Olympic lifts preformed at high speeds and repetitions. All I need to know. I definitely respect the few who understand how to preform the lifts, they are in incredible shape
Where does this number come from? How does it compare to other forms of exercise?
Probably from a statistical comparison to other forms of training. It's like any other form of exercise, if it best suits your goals, if you train with intensity, you will see results.
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3dogsrunning wrote: »It averages a 14-18% injury rate, usually due to heavy Olympic lifts preformed at high speeds and repetitions. All I need to know. I definitely respect the few who understand how to preform the lifts, they are in incredible shape
Where does this number come from? How does it compare to other forms of exercise?
Probably from a statistical comparison to other forms of training. It's like any other form of exercise, if it best suits your goals, if you train with intensity, you will see results.
I think they were more asking for a link. Because 87.9458% of all statistics are just fabricated.0 -
I love Crossfit. The problem with most people is that they don't know their own limits OR proper form. My box is great- the coaches won't allow me to become impatient - they won't let me lift heavy until I show I know proper form AND how to bail.0
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
Why yes, I have. HAWT! http://breakingmuscle.com/functional-fitness/ed-bauer-the-poster-man-for-vegan-crossfitters0 -
There was an article in one of the UK mags this month (Mens Fitness or Mens Health?) about Crossfit. One of their journalists had signed up and was quite enjoying it however he did encounter different approaches at different gyms and did have some concerns related to that. In particular he was concerned that a proper fitness assessment wasn't always made before chucking someone into it - possibly a factor in the injuries.0
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I like some of the activities but not the structure.
I set up my own mini-Crossfit "gym" in my backyard, including a 200# tractor tire, 8# sledge hammer, 50 ft battle rope, a power sled and a landmine. Didn't cost much. Gives me a pretty exhausting 1 hr workout when I use them in a "circuit."0 -
I like some of the activities but not the structure.
I set up my own mini-Crossfit "gym" in my backyard, including a 200# tractor tire, 8# sledge hammer, 50 ft battle rope, a power sled and a landmine. Didn't cost much. Gives me a pretty exhausting 1 hr workout when I use them in a "circuit."
What do you mean when you say you don't like the structure? Sounds like you have a fun home gym!
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Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »AllonsYtotheTardis wrote: »RosieRose7673 wrote: »Sassie_Lassie wrote: »Not my personal cup of tea to be honest. I have some friends who have done crossfit and I can't say that they looked any different than when they weren't doing it.
I will say that they were super annoying with their Facebook posts of the workout that they did, post workout selfies and pictures of their meals. If you're going to do it just don't be like those people.
This exactly.
I deleted my Facebook about 6 months ago and I must say that it's sooooo nice not to see those Facebook posts anymore!
Anywho, I've known someone who hurt themselves badly from cross fit. But I also know those Facebook posters who love it.
I know someone who hurt themselves badly by crossing the street without looking where they were going.
You can get hurt doing anything. Sometimes it's your own fault. Sometimes though, it's just not your day.
I have friends here on MFP who do CrossFit and friends who do not do Crossfit. Based on a quick mental count, I don't think any of my friends who do CrossFit are currently injured. However, I can count quite a few injured friends whose focus is mainly cardio (running/jogging) with some general strength training.
There are LOTS of stories out there on people who were runners all their lives, and their bodies can no longer put up with the wear and tear that running entails. The most common change I've read about is switching to triathalons to see if that reduces the wear and tear, but it does not. In the end, they find a nice home with CrossFit and their bodies recover from that "dangerous" sport
Here I just have to say what? Full disclosure runner/strength trainer here. Let's keep to the topic at hand and not pick on any form of exercise....
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julie_broadhead wrote: »What do you mean when you say you don't like the structure?
I've only visited 2 Crossfit gyms in my area and can only speak about them.
They were both "structured" around the WOD (workout of the day) and some other group activities -- like yoga and strength training -- which were ONLY held in the mornings and evenings, with very limited "free" or open gym time, and were always closed between around 11am to 5pm.
I do not take well to group activities and I like to work out whenever I feel like working out -- not on someone else's schedule. Group support/motivation and coaching are also considered important to the program, which isn't something I need/want. I prefer to work out alone and acquire instruction/advice from books, videos, etc.
Crossfit is also pretty expensive -- around $150/mo for unlimited class use NOT including extras for beginner "on ramp" and other classes. The most expensive commercial gym I ever joined cost me $60/mo and included a free weights and weight machines, tons of cardio machines, free towels, a steam room, hot tub, swimming pool and sauna. Crossfit "gyms" are quite sparse in comparison.
Doesn't mean it wouldn't work well for someone else, it just wouldn't work well for me.
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julie_broadhead wrote: »What do you mean when you say you don't like the structure?
I've only visited 2 Crossfit gyms in my area and can only speak about them.
They were both "structured" around the WOD (workout of the day) and some other group activities -- like yoga and strength training -- which were ONLY held in the mornings and evenings, with very limited "free" or open gym time, and were always closed between around 11am to 5pm.
I do not take well to group activities and I like to work out whenever I feel like working out -- not on someone else's schedule. Group support/motivation and coaching are also considered important to the program, which isn't something I need/want. I prefer to work out alone and acquire instruction/advice from books, videos, etc.
Crossfit is also pretty expensive -- around $150/mo for unlimited class use NOT including extras for beginner "on ramp" and other classes. The most expensive commercial gym I ever joined cost me $60/mo and included a free weights and weight machines, tons of cardio machines, free towels, a steam room, hot tub, swimming pool and sauna. Crossfit "gyms" are quite sparse in comparison.
Doesn't mean it wouldn't work well for someone else, it just wouldn't work well for me.
This "structure" to crossfit annoyed me as well. Then I tried a few different CF gyms and realized while many have this structure not all do. You definitely have to shop around for a gym that meets your needs, this is no different for CF gyms. My current CF gym only runs about 5 crossfit "classes" a day. Other than during the classes you can come utilize any of gym equipment for whatever you want for no additional cost 5AM-10PM. Even during the classes you can come lift on the olympic weightlifting platforms (including squat stands), use the treadmills, rowers, or assault bikes (yup cardio equipment too even though i'd prefer to never use it
) as long as you stay off of the floor/rig where the class is taking place. I almost never take the traditional classes.
That cost point though........now you have me dreaming of a crossfit world with free towels, a steam room, hot tub, swimming pool and sauna.
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