"Clean" diet is debatable -what about "healthy"

viren19890
viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
edited December 2024 in Food and Nutrition
Still learning. Recently learned that "clean" doesn't necessarily mean magic weight loss and "bad" isn't bad if taken in moderation.

So are there any food that can literally cause damage to our health? or any food that actually support well-being of our bodies?

Or regardless of what we eat- as long as they meet Macro requirements we will be fine?

Has our diet evolved drastically from eating something else in our past compared to now?

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  • extra_medium
    extra_medium Posts: 1,525 Member
    Pretty much any individual food can and will support the well-being of your body as long as it's part of an overall diet that does so. I think people tend to focus too much on each little component and don't spend enough time looking at the big picture.

    I suppose something like (too much) caffeine can cause damage to your overall health if I had to pick something. I'm working on my second giant cup of coffee as I type this.
  • Lounmoun
    Lounmoun Posts: 8,423 Member
    viren19890 wrote: »
    Still learning. Recently learned that "clean" doesn't necessarily mean magic weight loss and "bad" isn't bad if taken in moderation.

    So are there any food that can literally cause damage to our health? or any food that actually support well-being of our bodies?

    Or regardless of what we eat- as long as they meet Macro requirements we will be fine?

    Has our diet evolved drastically from eating something else in our past compared to now?

    If food is spoiled or contaminated then it can damage your health.
    If you have an allergy, intolerance or medical issue and a certain food is a problem for you then it can damage your health.
    If you meet the nutritional requirements for your body to function well then you will be fine. That will be a bit different from someone of a different gender, age, height, weight, activity level, and medical condition.
    How farback are you wondering about our diets? 50 years? 100 years? 500 years? Farther back than that?
    I think our diets today have the potential for more variety as we can ship and preserve more foods. You can read old cookbooks. Looking at The Boston Cooking-school Cookbook published in 1896, I don't think the basic American diet is that different just less homemade and different portion sizes or number of courses. https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20591016M/The_Boston_Cooking-school_Cook_Book Starting page 512 there are sample menus.
  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
    Lounmoun wrote: »
    viren19890 wrote: »
    Still learning. Recently learned that "clean" doesn't necessarily mean magic weight loss and "bad" isn't bad if taken in moderation.

    So are there any food that can literally cause damage to our health? or any food that actually support well-being of our bodies?

    Or regardless of what we eat- as long as they meet Macro requirements we will be fine?

    Has our diet evolved drastically from eating something else in our past compared to now?

    If food is spoiled or contaminated then it can damage your health.
    If you have an allergy, intolerance or medical issue and a certain food is a problem for you then it can damage your health.
    If you meet the nutritional requirements for your body to function well then you will be fine. That will be a bit different from someone of a different gender, age, height, weight, activity level, and medical condition.
    How farback are you wondering about our diets? 50 years? 100 years? 500 years? Farther back than that?
    I think our diets today have the potential for more variety as we can ship and preserve more foods. You can read old cookbooks. Looking at The Boston Cooking-school Cookbook published in 1896, I don't think the basic American diet is that different just less homemade and different portion sizes or number of courses. https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20591016M/The_Boston_Cooking-school_Cook_Book Starting page 512 there are sample menus.

    OMG! I'm not even finished reading the table of contents yet. I have to rethink everything. American diet has to be the most diverse on the planet. I've never seen so many different foods in one single cook book.
  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    Don't forget micro requirements as well. You can hit protein, carbs and fat, but if you're chronically deficient in certain minerals, vitamins, etc you will still be malnourished.

    These days it's harder to get to a significant level of malnourishment because (at least in the US) so much food is fortified with the micros that we used to be likely to under-eat. Iron, iodine, B vitamins, etc.
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    viren19890 wrote: »
    Still learning. Recently learned that "clean" doesn't necessarily mean magic weight loss and "bad" isn't bad if taken in moderation.

    So are there any food that can literally cause damage to our health? or any food that actually support well-being of our bodies?

    Or regardless of what we eat- as long as they meet Macro requirements we will be fine?

    Has our diet evolved drastically from eating something else in our past compared to now?

    Not a food, but alcohol can damage someone's body and obviously doesn't support our well being (especially the next morning).
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    viren19890 wrote: »
    Still learning. Recently learned that "clean" doesn't necessarily mean magic weight loss and "bad" isn't bad if taken in moderation.

    So are there any food that can literally cause damage to our health? or any food that actually support well-being of our bodies?

    Or regardless of what we eat- as long as they meet Macro requirements we will be fine?

    Has our diet evolved drastically from eating something else in our past compared to now?

    Not a food, but alcohol can damage someone's body and obviously doesn't support our well being (especially the next morning).

    You could also hurt yourself by eating large amounts of food that has substances your body can't easily break down or may be toxic to you (high mercury levels in people who eat a great deal of certain fish comes to mind).
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »
    viren19890 wrote: »
    Still learning. Recently learned that "clean" doesn't necessarily mean magic weight loss and "bad" isn't bad if taken in moderation.

    So are there any food that can literally cause damage to our health? or any food that actually support well-being of our bodies?

    Or regardless of what we eat- as long as they meet Macro requirements we will be fine?

    Has our diet evolved drastically from eating something else in our past compared to now?

    Not a food, but alcohol can damage someone's body and obviously doesn't support our well being (especially the next morning).

    You could also hurt yourself by eating large amounts of food that has substances your body can't easily break down or may be toxic to you (high mercury levels in people who eat a great deal of certain fish comes to mind).

    Cherry pits come to mind as well
  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
    LoL , It so jokes when people spew about good/bad foods they learned from their particular trainer.

    I was one of them.

    I think it's because "eating whatever the heck you want and still lose weight" seems just too good to be true.
    lol people ask me now-so you dropped 28lbs by going vegetarian ? I just smile - and ask them how's their weight loss going. They start talking about what foods they are allowed to eat and what they cannot eat lol

    Even this topic - "good" food vs "bad" food is hard to digest because the way we have been brought up.

    How can all be good ? but my trainer said so he/she has a degree
    the tv , the radio, the media, person on the internet lol
  • RodaRose
    RodaRose Posts: 9,562 Member
    viren19890 wrote: »
    Still learning. Recently learned that "clean" doesn't necessarily mean magic weight loss and "bad" isn't bad if taken in moderation.

    So are there any food that can literally cause damage to our health? or any food that actually support well-being of our bodies?

    Or regardless of what we eat- as long as they meet Macro requirements we will be fine?

    Has our diet evolved drastically from eating something else in our past compared to now?

    Transfats.
    They are still in some packaged and fast foods. Limit them if you can.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    kommodevaran wrote: »
    Lounmoun wrote: »
    viren19890 wrote: »
    Still learning. Recently learned that "clean" doesn't necessarily mean magic weight loss and "bad" isn't bad if taken in moderation.

    So are there any food that can literally cause damage to our health? or any food that actually support well-being of our bodies?

    Or regardless of what we eat- as long as they meet Macro requirements we will be fine?

    Has our diet evolved drastically from eating something else in our past compared to now?

    If food is spoiled or contaminated then it can damage your health.
    If you have an allergy, intolerance or medical issue and a certain food is a problem for you then it can damage your health.
    If you meet the nutritional requirements for your body to function well then you will be fine. That will be a bit different from someone of a different gender, age, height, weight, activity level, and medical condition.
    How farback are you wondering about our diets? 50 years? 100 years? 500 years? Farther back than that?
    I think our diets today have the potential for more variety as we can ship and preserve more foods. You can read old cookbooks. Looking at The Boston Cooking-school Cookbook published in 1896, I don't think the basic American diet is that different just less homemade and different portion sizes or number of courses. https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20591016M/The_Boston_Cooking-school_Cook_Book Starting page 512 there are sample menus.

    OMG! I'm not even finished reading the table of contents yet. I have to rethink everything. American diet has to be the most diverse on the planet. I've never seen so many different foods in one single cook book.

    I'm just sitting here giggling at the author's first name.
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,103 Member
    stevencloser wrote: »
    kommodevaran wrote: »
    Lounmoun wrote: »
    viren19890 wrote: »
    Still learning. Recently learned that "clean" doesn't necessarily mean magic weight loss and "bad" isn't bad if taken in moderation.

    So are there any food that can literally cause damage to our health? or any food that actually support well-being of our bodies?

    Or regardless of what we eat- as long as they meet Macro requirements we will be fine?

    Has our diet evolved drastically from eating something else in our past compared to now?

    If food is spoiled or contaminated then it can damage your health.
    If you have an allergy, intolerance or medical issue and a certain food is a problem for you then it can damage your health.
    If you meet the nutritional requirements for your body to function well then you will be fine. That will be a bit different from someone of a different gender, age, height, weight, activity level, and medical condition.
    How farback are you wondering about our diets? 50 years? 100 years? 500 years? Farther back than that?
    I think our diets today have the potential for more variety as we can ship and preserve more foods. You can read old cookbooks. Looking at The Boston Cooking-school Cookbook published in 1896, I don't think the basic American diet is that different just less homemade and different portion sizes or number of courses. https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20591016M/The_Boston_Cooking-school_Cook_Book Starting page 512 there are sample menus.

    OMG! I'm not even finished reading the table of contents yet. I have to rethink everything. American diet has to be the most diverse on the planet. I've never seen so many different foods in one single cook book.

    I'm just sitting here giggling at the author's first name.

    Fannie Farmer is one of the most famous names in the history of American cookbooks.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Apparently. She supposedly invented the way that all ingredients are listed with exact amounts at the top of the recipe.
    Never heard of her before. But I'm not American.
    Now I'm a bit disappointed there's no version of her cookbook with gram amounts instead of cups and spoons.
  • cookielover_96
    cookielover_96 Posts: 177 Member
    Well we went from hunter gatherers to gmo *kitten*
  • CurlyCockney
    CurlyCockney Posts: 1,394 Member
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Apparently. She supposedly invented the way that all ingredients are listed with exact amounts at the top of the recipe.
    Never heard of her before. But I'm not American.
    Now I'm a bit disappointed there's no version of her cookbook with gram amounts instead of cups and spoons.

    Mrs Beeton's Book Of Household Management (published in 1861) lists ingredients like that too, only in Imperial measurements. It's a lovely read, and a real insight into the way things used to be done. I had a copy for years, but only a reprint unfortunately!
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