Good vs bad CICO

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stevencloser wrote: »

Hormones aren't able to do that though. Because physics. All work performed needs energy. That includes your brain function (that's already a good 20% of your total calories!), all other organs and then every single movement you do. If your body does work equalling X calories, it will have to use X calories, no way around that. Your body can downregulate internal functions to some extent, but it can not ever lower it so much that you can't lose weight.

If your body could burn less just like that, why doesn't it do that all the time? Why are there people starving who are just skin and bones, why aren't those people's hormones making them need next to nothing to survive the times of low food? Have you ever seen someone who starved to death who was fat?

Okay, so if you take an obese person and literally make them starve, denying ALL food except water, do you think they would keep losing weight, using the burned fat to power bodily processes, until they got to a dangerously skeletal size and only then die of starvation?
No. They would likely die long before, due to electrolyte imbalances, organ shutdown etc.
This is an extreme example of course, but it shows there are other processes in place.

If you look at documentaries showing older men and women in places with extreme food scarcity, like in African tribes, you'll see that they're not all skeletal, considering how little they eat and the physical labor they do. Kids are, but as a rule, older women will have a bit of fat deposit on their stomachs, hips etc. No, they're not obese, but I also really doubt that they ever actually overeat by the 3,500 calories required to gain one pound.

The body of someone who is starving will not be performing the usual processes the same way as a normal person's. Everything will start shutting down - the person will be extremely weak and unable to do physical movement, have mental fog and trouble concentrating, maybe even hallucinations at some point. Reproductive system will shut down, as will many others. Eventually the vital organs start shutting down and the person dies.

When you take steroids, it's been documented over and over again that even if you eat less than you did previously, the vast majority of people will get characteristic fatty deposits in the face, neck, and torso. Or think even about anabolic steroids - people will bulk up with lean muscle mass at a rate they could never have achieved with regular lifestyle. How does that happen?

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stevencloser wrote: »

Hormones aren't able to do that though. Because physics. All work performed needs energy. That includes your brain function (that's already a good 20% of your total calories!), all other organs and then every single movement you do. If your body does work equalling X calories, it will have to use X calories, no way around that. Your body can downregulate internal functions to some extent, but it can not ever lower it so much that you can't lose weight.

If your body could burn less just like that, why doesn't it do that all the time? Why are there people starving who are just skin and bones, why aren't those people's hormones making them need next to nothing to survive the times of low food? Have you ever seen someone who starved to death who was fat?

Okay, so if you take an obese person and literally make them starve, denying ALL food except water, do you think they would keep losing weight, using the burned fat to power bodily processes, until they got to a dangerously skeletal size and only then die of starvation?
No. They would likely die long before, due to electrolyte imbalances, organ shutdown etc.
This is an extreme example of course, but it shows there are other processes in place.

If you look at documentaries showing older men and women in places with extreme food scarcity, like in African tribes, you'll see that they're not all skeletal, considering how little they eat and the physical labor they do. Kids are, but as a rule, older women will have a bit of fat deposit on their stomachs, hips etc. No, they're not obese, but I also really doubt that they ever actually overeat by the 3,500 calories required to gain one pound.

The body of someone who is starving will not be performing the usual processes the same way as a normal person's. Everything will start shutting down - the person will be extremely weak and unable to do physical movement, have mental fog and trouble concentrating, maybe even hallucinations at some point. Reproductive system will shut down, as will many others. Eventually the vital organs start shutting down and the person dies.

When you take steroids, it's been documented over and over again that even if you eat less than you did previously, the vast majority of people will get characteristic fatty deposits in the face, neck, and torso. Or think even about anabolic steroids - people will bulk up with lean muscle mass at a rate they could never have achieved with regular lifestyle. How does that happen?

1. Electrolytes aren't hormones; and you didn't answer the question: If you're body could burn less just like that, why doesn't it do that all the time?
2. Certain medical conditions can affect CO. Taking steroids for medical reasons would also affect your CO (and how your body stores fat) but not negate it entirely.
3. Are you trying to tell us that body builders who take steroids don't need to increase their CI in order to fuel their accelerated muscle growth?