Vascularity and body fat %
leejoyce31
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I have heard that vascularity is a way to get an idea of BF% (as purely an estimate). I'm not confident in the calipers because I know I wouldn't use it correctly. What other ways can you check. The veins in my arms are very visible and I can easily see my muscles under my skin. Not because I am muscular. I think it's more that I don't have a lot of fat covering the muscles that I have.
This may be bogus, and vascularity may be all about genetics and have nothing to do with body fat %. However, I have read that vascularity can occur at about 15%. Has anyone heard of this? Also, what are other ways to have BF% measure? I don't trust any measurements that I do would be correct.
This may be bogus, and vascularity may be all about genetics and have nothing to do with body fat %. However, I have read that vascularity can occur at about 15%. Has anyone heard of this? Also, what are other ways to have BF% measure? I don't trust any measurements that I do would be correct.
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Some people are more pre-disposed (genetics) to having visible veins so the %BF region where veins are visible will different for different people.
After body fat I'm guessing that thinner skin is the next biggest factor, in which case, age will be an issue (older = thinner skin).
Oh, and whilst I'm thinking about it, hydration and external temperature are going to affect vascularity (hydrated and hot = big veins).
Summary: I think vascularity is a non-starter for BF% estimation.3 -
Vascularity doesn't necessarily help you determine how lean you are. If you look at the men's physique competitors many of them are not vascular even though many of them are down around 6%. Genetics, age, foods/supplements that encourage vasodilation, hydration/sodium, caffeine, fat/carb intake, and muscle pump all influence how vascular someone looks beyond body fat percentage.2
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leejoyce31 wrote: »I'm not confident in the calipers because I know I wouldn't use it correctly.
I think you're right to be cautious. They are difficult to get reproducible results unless you are very experienced and even more difficult to use them on yourself.leejoyce31 wrote: »Also, what are other ways to have BF% measure? I don't trust any measurements that I do would be correct.
Ruling out bio-impedance as unreliable, I think DEXA scans or immersion measurements are your other options but they can be expensive.
Why you need to know your %BF? I ask becuause I've seen people get quite hung up about the figures they get from various methods and it often turns out that once determined, the figure is kind of useless - just a number.
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StealthHealth wrote: »leejoyce31 wrote: »I'm not confident in the calipers because I know I wouldn't use it correctly.
I think you're right to be cautious. They are difficult to get reproducible results unless you are very experienced and even more difficult to use them on yourself.leejoyce31 wrote: »Also, what are other ways to have BF% measure? I don't trust any measurements that I do would be correct.
Ruling out bio-impedance as unreliable, I think DEXA scans or immersion measurements are your other options but they can be expensive.
Why you need to know your %BF? I ask becuause I've seen people get quite hung up about the figures they get from various methods and it often turns out that once determined, the figure is kind of useless - just a number.
No particular reason. I was just curious to know, but not curious enough to pay money. Thanks so much for your reply.0 -
Vascularity doesn't necessarily help you determine how lean you are. If you look at the men's physique competitors many of them are not vascular even though many of them are down around 6%. Genetics, age, foods/supplements that encourage vasodilation, hydration/sodium, caffeine, fat/carb intake, and muscle pump all influence how vascular someone looks beyond body fat percentage.
Yep. I, on the other hand, am about 18% or so BF and a nurse's wet dream for taking blood.0 -
This blog/article happened to be in my in box today:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/how-to-get-more-vascular/0 -
I'm about 14-16% body fat, and I'm very vascular. I've been vascular since I hit about 22-24% body fat.0
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Everyone's different. When I was bulking I hit 220 lbs, I still had veins all across my thighs & biceps. It's definitely a genetic thing.0
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I'm naturally vascular, like Stewie Griffin. I wouldn't use it as a measure.2
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I'm quite vascular after losing weight and I think in general the less body fat you have the more visible your veins are. It's very rarely I have a thin patient or normal weight patient I can't see veins on. As a nurse it's much easier to find veins without huge amounts of fat to poke through. Many times people are so padded I can't find anything at all. I know they have veins because their arms haven't fallen off but that's about the only way lol.1
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I'm quite vascular after losing weight and I think in general the less body fat you have the more visible your veins are. It's very rarely I have a thin patient or normal weight patient I can't see veins on. As a nurse it's much easier to find veins without huge amounts of fat to poke through. Many times people are so padded I can't find anything at all. I know they have veins because their arms haven't fallen off but that's about the only way lol.
Yeah, I wasn't vascular either until I lost weight this past year. Now, I have all these veins in my arms. I see a few on my temporal area too. I don't like those.
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I don't think it's a good way. My lower arms were always very vascular especially when working out, even at above 20% bf. Now that I'm slowly approaching 12% the bicep vein is starting to show when working out.1
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stevencloser wrote: »I don't think it's a good way. My lower arms were always very vascular especially when working out, even at above 20% bf. Now that I'm slowly approaching 12% the bicep vein is starting to show when working out.
I wasn't saying its a good way. I was just agreeing that I can see lots of veins now. I've moved on from trying to see if that's a way to measure. But thank you for replying.0 -
Genetics and depends on where you keep your weight too.0
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I use vascularity as a sign of leaning out for me, personally, but not to judge my actual body fat%.2
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arditarose wrote: »I use vascularity as a sign of leaning out for me, personally, but not to judge my actual body fat%.
Same for me.
I've never been very vascular so when veins start showing somewhere new it's a confirmation I've got leaner.
But as soon as I feel cool my veins disappear - I have Raynauds.
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arditarose wrote: »I use vascularity as a sign of leaning out for me, personally, but not to judge my actual body fat%.
Same for me.
I've never been very vascular so when veins start showing somewhere new it's a confirmation I've got leaner.
But as soon as I feel cool my veins disappear - I have Raynauds.
I have Raynaud's, too. Losing fat didn't help that, for sure! I agree with @arditarose about using vascularity as a personal sign of leanness. When I got to around 20% I saw some veins appear in lower abs and also in my arms.0 -
Like others have said, it is a horrible measure for actually measuring bf%. Everyone is different, I tend not to be very vascular, 9% bf now and definitely not veins popping everywhere. Others at that bf would have huge veins showing. Use it as your own personal leanness scale but don't compare it to others to estimate a bf.0
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arditarose wrote: »I use vascularity as a sign of leaning out for me, personally, but not to judge my actual body fat%.
Same for me.
I've never been very vascular so when veins start showing somewhere new it's a confirmation I've got leaner.
But as soon as I feel cool my veins disappear - I have Raynauds.
I have Raynaud's, too. Losing fat didn't help that, for sure! I agree with @arditarose about using vascularity as a personal sign of leanness. When I got to around 20% I saw some veins appear in lower abs and also in my arms.
Yeah, same places for me as well. They'll disappear if I eat high carb. Hate that.0 -
I am very vascular in my arms at 20% (about where I am now) and my vacularity did not increase when I dropped to 15%. Never was very vascular in my legs regardless of BF %.0
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I'm an odd person, but I find it unattractive. I remember in high school my friends would go nuts over a guy on our baseball team who was "super hot". He was quite vascular, especially in the arms and legs. Total turn off for me.1
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I'm an odd person, but I find it unattractive. I remember in high school my friends would go nuts over a guy on our baseball team who was "super hot". He was quite vascular, especially in the arms and legs. Total turn off for me.
I don't find that odd at all. My veins have stayed sticking out more and I find it gross on myself.1 -
I have them showing all over the damned place. Forearms, biceps, shoulders, lower ab area, calves, etc. and I still can't see my damned abs, other than a well-defined iliac furrow (where the veins are showing). I need to spend more time on dat ab wheel and captain's chair.1
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I have them showing all over the damned place. Forearms, biceps, shoulders, lower ab area, calves, etc. and I still can't see my damned abs, other than a well-defined iliac furrow (where the veins are showing). I need to spend more time on dat ab wheel and captain's chair.
Rar. Whatever, abs are overrated.0 -
arditarose wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I have them showing all over the damned place. Forearms, biceps, shoulders, lower ab area, calves, etc. and I still can't see my damned abs, other than a well-defined iliac furrow (where the veins are showing). I need to spend more time on dat ab wheel and captain's chair.
Rar. Whatever, abs are overrated.
Agreed, you can only see visible abs when your shirt is off anyway. How much time does anyone really spend with their shirt off? Big biceps, wide shoulders/back those things are all readily visible all the time0 -
jeepinshawn wrote: »arditarose wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I have them showing all over the damned place. Forearms, biceps, shoulders, lower ab area, calves, etc. and I still can't see my damned abs, other than a well-defined iliac furrow (where the veins are showing). I need to spend more time on dat ab wheel and captain's chair.
Rar. Whatever, abs are overrated.
Agreed, you can only see visible abs when your shirt is off anyway. How much time does anyone really spend with their shirt off? Big biceps, wide shoulders/back those things are all readily visible all the time
If abs were a LITTLE easier to get, of if I was closer to getting them...I might consider it. heh.
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