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Sugar - the sweet truth

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  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    Unlike almost every other classification you find on a nutrition label, you do not get the % of daily recommended consumption on sugar for a serving of thay product. Why?

    As to "in moderation" that might be easier for a person calculate if the sugar lobby didnt do everything possible to make sure people dont know what that is, including pushing the US congress to withhold money from the WHO if they went ahead and set a daily recommended consumption.

    Sugar in moderation is fine. Sugar industry acting like tobacco companies. Not so much.



    The recommended amount on labels is the amount you should be striving for at least if you're an average person eating 2000 calories to maintain.
    There's no specific amount of carbs/sugar you need to be striving for apart from "whatever is left once you filled your protein and fat needs".

    You act like the majority of the people out there even know what their macro needs are. Having recommended guidelines on consumption is about all the majority of people have to go on. I find it hilarious the disconnect between people here and what they think the average person knows about nutrition.

    I fail to see your point. In this age of information flow, their ignorance is no one's fault but their own, unless they are literally Mowgli, and in that case, I doubt he'd be much concerned about macros anyway, what with the whole being as active as some animals most days.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited July 2016
    There are no recommended macros, just a large range (which aren't a good range anyway, as they'd exclude LCHF), which can be done perfectly healthfully, of course. So it's not reasonable to put it on the label (you could put minimum protein, but IMO that would understand what the ideal is).

    There was not a recommended amount for added sugar (or "added sugar" at all) on the labels until the new labels (which are being rolled out in 2017, I believe). There will be a % of recommended limit on those, I believe.

    There's no % of recommended limit for total sugar, since there's no recommended limit for those. Doesn't matter if you get enough of the other things you need and stay within calories.

    I doubt anyone pays attention to those percentages anyway, they are silly in that they are based on 2000 calories and we are all different as to TDEE.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    Unlike almost every other classification you find on a nutrition label, you do not get the % of daily recommended consumption on sugar for a serving of thay product. Why?

    As to "in moderation" that might be easier for a person calculate if the sugar lobby didnt do everything possible to make sure people dont know what that is, including pushing the US congress to withhold money from the WHO if they went ahead and set a daily recommended consumption.

    Sugar in moderation is fine. Sugar industry acting like tobacco companies. Not so much.



    The recommended amount on labels is the amount you should be striving for at least if you're an average person eating 2000 calories to maintain.
    There's no specific amount of carbs/sugar you need to be striving for apart from "whatever is left once you filled your protein and fat needs".

    You act like the majority of the people out there even know what their macro needs are. Having recommended guidelines on consumption is about all the majority of people have to go on. I find it hilarious the disconnect between people here and what they think the average person knows about nutrition.

    Those recommended guidelines are supposed to be the minimum needs.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    Unlike almost every other classification you find on a nutrition label, you do not get the % of daily recommended consumption on sugar for a serving of thay product. Why?

    As to "in moderation" that might be easier for a person calculate if the sugar lobby didnt do everything possible to make sure people dont know what that is, including pushing the US congress to withhold money from the WHO if they went ahead and set a daily recommended consumption.

    Sugar in moderation is fine. Sugar industry acting like tobacco companies. Not so much.



    The recommended amount on labels is the amount you should be striving for at least if you're an average person eating 2000 calories to maintain.
    There's no specific amount of carbs/sugar you need to be striving for apart from "whatever is left once you filled your protein and fat needs".

    You act like the majority of the people out there even know what their macro needs are. Having recommended guidelines on consumption is about all the majority of people have to go on. I find it hilarious the disconnect between people here and what they think the average person knows about nutrition.

    Those recommended guidelines are supposed to be the minimum needs.

    The problem is that there's no real distinction between minimum and maximum, as the world's waistline can attest to. Well, that and people not having the sense to put the spoon down.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    Food is far from scarce, it's cheap as hell, and we keep being beaten over the head with the "being overweight is okay" hammer by the feels media, while actual scientists get ignored in the background.

    But I can see from your avatar that all this hasn't stopped you from lifting weights. So what's the problem? Other people make bad choices every day for all kinds of reasons. You're only responsible for you.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited July 2016
    Food is far from scarce, it's cheap as hell, and we keep being beaten over the head with the "being overweight is okay" hammer by the feels media, while actual scientists get ignored in the background.

    But I can see from your avatar that all this hasn't stopped you from lifting weights. So what's the problem? Other people make bad choices every day for all kinds of reasons. You're only responsible for you.

    First: that picture's about three years old. I got lazy as hell, kept dropping weight purely through caloric restriction, and couldn't pull 495 now if my life depended upon it.

    Second: I wasn't making excuses for anyone. In fact, I am VERY much the opposite, in that I shun those who would shirk personal responsibility, especially those who like to blame "ze ebil corporations".

    My point was primarily that until we see an actual culture shift in some form, we can expect the rates of various obesity related diseases to keep climbing. Somewhere along the way, it became okay to be fat as *kitten*, so long as you're not "too fat"; a line which moves arbitrarily depending upon the one viewing the case.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    What does any of that have to do with fear mongering about sugar, or about debating whether sugar is the devil and has magical powers to make people obese, above and beyond its calories?

    I feel like sure, there are fat people. If they feel bad about it, I hope they work it out. If they want to feel good about it, more power to them. Either way they can do their thing while I do mine. I'm currently trying to put on weight in the form of upper body muscle. As a cyclist, I can bench press my laptop but I can leg press a double decker bus.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited July 2016
    What does any of that have to do with fear mongering about sugar, or about debating whether sugar is the devil and has magical powers to make people obese, above and beyond its calories?

    Not much of anything, but the quote that you responded to from me, was primarily in response to this line from the quote I was responding to: "It's that people, for whatever reason, choose not to exercise restraint when it comes to diet."
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