Paleo/Primal anyone?

jeffkirkwold

rankinsect wrote: »

jeffkirkwold wrote: »

For all of the people that believe a calorie is a calorie, please don't say it like the gospel. Get some data behind your assumptions. Research YouTube and watch Gary Taubes talk on Good Calories Bad Calories and come back and see if you are sure whether all calories are the same. A few months ago, I would have agreed. I started to educate myself and look at the research and it would seem not all calories impact the body in the same way. PLEASE, share your successes but be wary of becoming an uninformed know it all on the matter. I am LCHF and by far, my fat loss and general heath are more rapidly improving over my "All Calories are the Same" beliefs. Some of us have hormonal imbalances like insulin sensitivity and metabolic disorders. HOW the body metabolizes certain foods in certain people really matters.

Taubes is not a scientist, he's a journalist, and if you want real science, you should look at the scientific literature, not YouTube.

I don't care if Taubes is a journalist or a stable boy! The man presents science from studies. Big time University studies at that! He's only the tip of the iceberg. Of course I didn't just listen to his presentation of the science...but look at the data man, we all need to become medical researchers of health because something sure ain't working with the SAD Standards.

Truth be told, Taubes IS a scientist in training and education. Further, I believe he has done more qualitative and quantitative research on the topic of metabolism than most Doctors have. I'm just discovering lchf after somewhat successful trials on the typical calorie in calorie out methods. I'm not so much looking for the only right method as I am looking for the most optimal method with the best results. Most importantly, I'm looking for some method that is sustainable and overall, healthy. I am convinced by the hard science though, regardless who the mouthpiece is, that lchf has enough credible science behind it that makes it worthy of consideration and self trial.

jeffkirkwold

goldthistime wrote: »

lemurcat12 wrote: »

esjones12 wrote: »

A calorie is not just a calorie. The body treats different things differently.

Foods are different (in other words, the body treats different "things" differently). That has NOTHING to do with what a calorie is a calorie means and once again anyone who thinks it does either isn't reading carefully or is willfully misunderstanding or misrepresenting.

No one claims that a food is a food.

That, of course, doesn't make Taubes reputable or the "science" on which paleo is based valid.

Also, who are these "world renowned" folks? There are tons of podcasts that say any number of things (I'm a podcast junkie) including remarkably stupid things such as "calories don't matter," as well as dramatically contrary things (one can listen to a HFLC podcast by such luminaries as Jimmy Moore -- that's sarcasm -- followed by an interview of T. Colin Campbell by Rich Roll (I quite enjoyed that one, although I'm not sold on all of T. Colin Campbell's ideas or veganism, even though they appeal to me somewhat and I like Roll, even though he likes more woo than I normally do), followed by something like the Fitcast or Evil Sugar Radio or Layne Norton (pretty in line with what lots on MFP believe). Or Sigma Nutrition, which has a variety of guests with different POVs (so do the Rich Roll, Fitcast, and ESR ones; Jimmy Moore probably does not).

I found @jeffkirkwold's post to be inappropriately condescending and I disengaged. ( "gospel", "get some data", "uninformed know it all"). I'm amazed that you are still here posting in a friendly informative manner. Kudos.

As to the OP and others in this thread, I wish you success in your endeavours to get healthier, however you choose to achieve it.

I can see why you'd be offended. I really stepped over the line when I suggested that it might not be as simple as cal in cal out. While I did not state lchf is the only right way for everyone, I did state the science for the case is compelling and worth looking into. I'm a MONSTER! My deepest apologies for not being a slave to an old weight loss convention of cal in cal out. I will correct my own rebellion on free speech and science exploration and step in line with the rest of the 'this is the way it has always been' robots. Thanks for setting me straight and I will buy a loaf of bread, box of sweetie cereal and enjoy my impending diabetes post haste.

Better toughen up butter cup, ALL ideas are worth considering in science.

StealthHealth

painterm81 wrote: »

Honestly I'm not sure what my diet is. I think maybe a combination of multiple diets. I cut out all breads, rice, pasta's, regular potatoes, and sweets with the exception of a piece or two of dark chocolate daily for the antioxidants. I drink water and diet pepsi. I'm trying to cut out the diet pepsi but it's harder than cutting out everything else that I did.

I'm very similar.

FWIW I regularly read up on paleo/primal, I keep an eye on mark's Daily apple and, although I apply a healthy dose of skepticism and certainly don't buy everything he says, I think there is some pretty good information on there.

I guess I'm sympathetic to the principles (although I admit that the underlying premise has more holes than swiss cheese).

If I were to nail my colours to the mast I'd say that I'm more of an IIFYM type guy, I find it interesting to note that when cutting (in calorie restriction) my IIFYM eating ends up looking pretty much like Mark Sisson's Primal principles but when bulking it veers away considerably because I then struggle to get the calories in without eating more refined carbs.