The Mucusless Diet Healing System
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I started reading "Mucusless Diet Healing System" which is about Arnold Ehret's theory of how humans should eat.
Has anyone ever heard of this, or even better, given it a try?
If so, what are your thoughts on it?
I'm thinking about trying it out but it is far off from any other diet I have tried. Hoping to hear something about it before jumping into it.
Has anyone ever heard of this, or even better, given it a try?
If so, what are your thoughts on it?
I'm thinking about trying it out but it is far off from any other diet I have tried. Hoping to hear something about it before jumping into it.
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Read it years ago...don't recall being impressed.0
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Naturopathy is generally considered quackery.1
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So basically you only eat fruit & veggies??
Nope, nope, nope.0 -
The author seems like he was a huge quack. Although a few of the things he says go against popular belief and made sense to me. That's what got me interested in the book.
Naturopathy is something I know very little about. Is there any specifics that you think are complete nonsense, so I can have a conflicting opinion while reading it?0 -
If there is not peer reviewed scientific evidence to support it, then it's quackery.
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The author seems like he was a huge quack. Although a few of the things he says go against popular belief and made sense to me. That's what got me interested in the book.
Naturopathy is something I know very little about. Is there any specifics that you think are complete nonsense, so I can have a conflicting opinion while reading it?
Because I believe in facts and science. This quote kinda says it.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-naturopaths-say-to-each-other-when-they-think-no-ones-listening/mainly because it is a cornucopia of quackery based on prescientific vitalism mixed with a Chinese restaurant menu “one from column A, two from column B” approach to picking quackery and pseudoscience to apply to patients.1 -
I read this as muscle -less diet healing system.
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The author seems like he was a huge quack. Although a few of the things he says go against popular belief and made sense to me. That's what got me interested in the book.
Naturopathy is something I know very little about. Is there any specifics that you think are complete nonsense, so I can have a conflicting opinion while reading it?
Based on the Amazon synopsis, he developed his diet (which is an extreme variation on raw vegan) in 1922. If it really did anything special, I think it would have caught on by now
What are your goals for wanting to change the way you eat?0 -
@kimny72 Just found the book in my room amongst many other books (not sure where it came from) but some of his theories interested me.
For instance his stance on white blood cells. After doing the whole30 diet I had blood work done and they told me I had dangerously low white blood cell count, but I never got sick and I had never felt better in my life at the time.
For the most part I try to eat basically a paleo diet but there are always studies out there about meat being bad for you. So his ideas sounded similar to my diet already, except without meat and less fats.
My goals for the type of diet I want to eat is to find out what style makes me feel the healthiest physically and mentally.
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@Hornsby I see where you are coming from with the science approach, however, so many studies are skewed now by money. The studies always seem to benefit whoever is paying for the studies. So I find it hard to believe all scientific studies. Especially when some things that were known as "facts" in the past are then proved false.1
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I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions1
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@Hornsby I see where you are coming from with the science approach, however, so many studies are skewed now by money. The studies always seem to benefit whoever is paying for the studies. So I find it hard to believe all scientific studies. Especially when some things that were known as "facts" in the past are then proved false.
Understood, and believe me, I am all for finding what makes you feel the best. I just think that all too often people make it more difficult than it needs to be. Just eat a balanced diet. Eat mostly good *kitten*, throw in some treats from time to time, indulge if you want to, work out hard and eat at the energy balance fit for the goal you are looking to achieve. That's what works best for me.0 -
I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
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I just have to post this because of the comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0
Anyways, as far as the diet is concerned. Unfortunately there is no evidence to suggest eating in this manner is beneficial. Quite often when you are experiencing excess mucous production it is a result of GERD, an allergy, or some sort of infection.
I highly recommend seeing your doctor about one of these issues. I know I personally have had issues with GERD and was put on an elimination diet which revealed some food intolerances.
Atleast i can say comfortably, however, after reading over the diet's requirements that it does not seem harmful. Not helpful, but not harmful. So if you're insistent.... 0 -
I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
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rainbowbow wrote: »I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
You sure about that?
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rainbowbow wrote: »I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
You sure about that?
Yep.
It's not that hard, especially if you live in the united states where a plethora of plant-based alternatives exist.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
You sure about that?
Yep.
It's not that hard, especially if you live in the united states where a plethora of plant-based alternatives exist.
I was under the assumption that all vegans needed to supplement B120 -
rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
You sure about that?
Yep.
It's not that hard, especially if you live in the united states where a plethora of plant-based alternatives exist.
I was under the assumption that all vegans needed to supplement B12
Well, considering most plant milks, plant based yogurts, meat substitutes, and nutritional yeast are all fortified with b12..... so? What's your point?
Are you going to say that vegans can't get enough protein next? Or iron? Or calcium? Or vitamin D? I'd just love to point out here that i said "Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning. " It's important to note that there are plenty of fortified foods and they don't just exist for vegans.... The average person who just eats whatever suits their fancy is not guaranteed to have a more nutritionally complete diet simply because they consume animal products. On the contrary, most people consuming a SAD consume little micronutrition.
All diets must be planned properly to ensure nutrition. It's not any different for vegans.1 -
what ya got against mucus?0
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rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
You sure about that?
Yep.
It's not that hard, especially if you live in the united states where a plethora of plant-based alternatives exist.
I was under the assumption that all vegans needed to supplement B12
Well, considering most plant milks, plant based yogurts, meat substitutes, and nutritional yeast are all fortified with b12..... so? What's your point?
Are you going to say that vegans can't get enough protein next? Or iron? Or calcium? Or vitamin D? I'd just love to point out here that i said "Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning. " It's important to note that there are plenty of fortified foods and they don't just exist for vegans.... The average person who just eats whatever suits their fancy is not guaranteed to have a more nutritionally complete diet simply because they consume animal products. On the contrary, most people consuming a SAD consume little micronutrition.
All diets must be planned properly to ensure nutrition. It's not any different for vegans.
Or, maybe the simple answer is that I honestly didn't know those things were fortified with B12. I said "I assumed" for a reason... I believe it has been stated on here. Nothing more...
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rainbowbow wrote: »I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
Does that hold true for "raw vegan"? I was thinking most vegan protein and fat sources would not fit into raw vegan, though honestly my first-hand experience with that is zero!0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
You sure about that?
Yep.
It's not that hard, especially if you live in the united states where a plethora of plant-based alternatives exist.
I was under the assumption that all vegans needed to supplement B12
Well, considering most plant milks, plant based yogurts, meat substitutes, and nutritional yeast are all fortified with b12..... so? What's your point?
Are you going to say that vegans can't get enough protein next? Or iron? Or calcium? Or vitamin D? I'd just love to point out here that i said "Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning. " It's important to note that there are plenty of fortified foods and they don't just exist for vegans.... The average person who just eats whatever suits their fancy is not guaranteed to have a more nutritionally complete diet simply because they consume animal products. On the contrary, most people consuming a SAD consume little micronutrition.
All diets must be planned properly to ensure nutrition. It's not any different for vegans.
Or, maybe the simple answer is that I didn't know that I honestly didn't know those things were fortified with B12. Is said "I assumed" for a reason... I believe it has been stated on here. Nothing more...
Not salty, just pointing this out.
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I don't understand raw diets. Fire is what sets us apart from apes...Giving up fire is like giving up opposable thumbs.3
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rainbowbow wrote: »I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
Does that hold true for "raw vegan"? I was thinking most vegan protein and fat sources would not fit into raw vegan, though honestly my first-hand experience with that is zero!
I guess this would depend on what they choose to eat and the macros they consume. It also depends on their definition/restrictions.
I personally think it is stupid and dangerous to consume a restrictive vegan diet just like i think it's stupid to consume a restrictive omnivore diet for "reasons".
If that makes sense.... It's like I get choosing to avoid animal products because you think it's unethical... but to avoid some of the most nutritious foods because they are cooked? Or just eating 10% protein and 10% fats? I view this as similar to people who follow the dukan diet or HCLF people or Paleo people.... i'm just like.... why?
Most raw vegans consume 80c/10/10 macronutrient ratio and go get b12 injections and have to consume insane amounts of calories to consume adequate protein levels (especially the amino acids lysine and leucine). I would never ever recommend a raw vegan diet as i think it's stupid (lacks scientific reasoning) and impractical (requires constant fresh produce when this is not available year round in all countries) and way too expensive (i'm talking upwards of 20-30$ a day!).
I feel bad for them when it's winter time and they're missing out on potatoes, sweet potatoes, green beans, lentils, hearty soups and stews, pastas, and more.
Anyways, so, to sum it up.... It depends on the person and what they're eating. But in general i would think eating a restrictive diet with or without meat is setting yourself up for long-term retention and failure.1 -
rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I appreciate the responses by the way from all of you. Wasn't expecting many, if any. And it's nice to hear so many opinions
I've seen some stuff that suggests too much meat might possibly be harmful, but I've never seen anything that says it's best to stop eating it entirely. Plus, how do you get enough protein and fat on raw vegan? I guess there must be a way, but I'm not coming up with anything.
As human beings, we evolved to be able to eat all sorts of different types of foods so we could survive as well as we have. It's species who eat a very narrow diet who often lose out. I just don't see the logic in the idea that to be healthy we need to eat such a restrictive diet. I'd suggest you have a lot of room to play with your diet between Paleo and Mucusless, right? Plus, you don't really want to have to tell people you are on the Mucusless Diet, do you?
A vegan diet can be nutritionally complete just as any other diet. Most vegans can consume adequate macro and micronutrition with careful planning.
Just want to point this out.
Does that hold true for "raw vegan"? I was thinking most vegan protein and fat sources would not fit into raw vegan, though honestly my first-hand experience with that is zero!
I guess this would depend on what they choose to eat and the macros they consume. It also depends on their definition/restrictions.
I personally think it is stupid and dangerous to consume a restrictive vegan diet just like i think it's stupid to consume a restrictive omnivore diet for "reasons".
If that makes sense.... It's like I get choosing to avoid animal products because you think it's unethical... but to avoid some of the most nutritious foods because they are cooked? Or just eating 10% protein and 10% fats? I view this as similar to people who follow the dukan diet or HCLF people or Paleo people.... i'm just like.... why?
Most raw vegans consume 80c/10/10 macronutrient ratio and go get b12 injections and have to consume insane amounts of calories to consume adequate protein levels (especially the amino acids lysine and leucine). I would never ever recommend a raw vegan diet as i think it's stupid (lacks scientific reasoning) and impractical (requires constant fresh produce when this is not available year round in all countries) and way too expensive (i'm talking upwards of 20-30$ a day!).
I feel bad for them when it's winter time and they're missing out on potatoes, sweet potatoes, green beans, lentils, hearty soups and stews, pastas, and more.
Anyways, so, to sum it up.... It depends on the person and what they're eating. But in general i would think eating a restrictive diet with or without meat is setting yourself up for long-term retention and failure.
LOL! Yeah, the raw thing makes no sense to me. Even if you believe raw foods have qualities they lose when they are cooked, I don't see why you have to eat everything raw.
Thanks for clearing that up for me :drinker:0
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