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Low carb vindicated by science
BreezeDoveal
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A neta analsysis (where they net all the studies together to understand all of them in one net) shows insulin effects on muscle:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26404065
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26404065
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Am i misreading?
" In the overall estimate, insulin did not affect MPS (WMD 3.90 [95% CI -0.74, 8.55], p = 0.71), but significantly reduced MPB (WMD -15.46 [95% CI -19.74, -11.18], p < 0.001). Overall, insulin significantly increased net balance protein acquisition (WMD 20.09 [95% CI 15.93, 24.26], p < 0.001). "0 -
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It's actually a meta-analysis not neta, and they choose a subset of articles that fit their criteria, from a larger database of studies.
So, from the brief summary it states that although insulin doesn't increase the synthesis of protein, it does reduce the amount that is broken down in the body.
Since I don't have full access to the article, it would be nice to know how much insulin was used in the studies, as that would shed some light on how insulin affects protein metabolism in a normal person as a opposed to in a diabetic who have elevated levels of insulin. It would also be nice to see if there is a difference between the insulin we produce naturally, as opposed to exogenous insulin that diabetics have to take.3 -
How does a study which indicates that insulin infusion increases protein aquisition vindicate low carb? Wouldn't low carb cause less insulin to be available?2
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http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/trends-fads/carbs-or-fat-which-is-the-bodys-preferred-fuel-source?page=1Athletes who follow low carb diets for an extended period of time become less able to utilize carbohydrates as fuel. This is usually not to their benefit. Losing your metabolic flexibility can also increase your risk of Type 2 diabetes.0 -
How does a study which indicates that insulin infusion increases protein aquisition vindicate low carb? Wouldn't low carb cause less insulin to be available?
Exactly my thought - this has nothing really to do with low carb. Higher insulin levels increase protein retention, not too surprising as insulin is an anabolic hormone. If anything, this suggests higher carbohydrate diets are better, if they can keep insulin levels elevated more.3 -
rankinsect wrote: »How does a study which indicates that insulin infusion increases protein aquisition vindicate low carb? Wouldn't low carb cause less insulin to be available?
Exactly my thought - this has nothing really to do with low carb. Higher insulin levels increase protein retention, not too surprising as insulin is an anabolic hormone. If anything, this suggests higher carbohydrate diets are better, if they can keep insulin levels elevated more.
That would assume that "more equals better", which doesn't bear out beyond a certain threshold, as you can't forcefeed muscles into growth. The real question would be, is the insulin spike that comes from protein consumption sufficient to cover it's own needs? I'd be especially curious to see this borne out via a high response protein like whey.0 -
I find it impossible to cut down on my carbohydrates, cut down on my fat, watch my sugar intake and my calories at the same time. I just don't eat carbs late at night. I switch from Atkins protein shake which is 9 grams of fat to Premier Protein which is only 3. I still have my two cups of frozen spinach with the protein shake in the morning along with two big strawberries blend it up. I think I have to find better snacks though because some of them that I have been doing have a lot of carbohydrates. I'm pretty active and I don't sit around all day doing nothing you would think you would burn up everything in you but that's not the case. Oh well I'm going to have some cheese0
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I find it impossible to cut down on my carbohydrates, cut down on my fat, watch my sugar intake and my calories at the same time. I just don't eat carbs late at night. I switch from Atkins protein shake which is 9 grams of fat to Premier Protein which is only 3. I still have my two cups of frozen spinach with the protein shake in the morning along with two big strawberries blend it up. I think I have to find better snacks though because some of them that I have been doing have a lot of carbohydrates. I'm pretty active and I don't sit around all day doing nothing you would think you would burn up everything in you but that's not the case. Oh well I'm going to have some cheese
You can't really cut down on carbohydrates and fat at the same time. Food is made up of only three macronutrients: carbs, fat and protein. Trying to reduce two at the same time leaves you with only one. In your case, you'd need to drastically increase your protein consumption to accomplish what you want. Most low carb diets are really low carb, high fat.0 -
I find it impossible to cut down on my carbohydrates, cut down on my fat, watch my sugar intake and my calories at the same time. I just don't eat carbs late at night. I switch from Atkins protein shake which is 9 grams of fat to Premier Protein which is only 3. I still have my two cups of frozen spinach with the protein shake in the morning along with two big strawberries blend it up. I think I have to find better snacks though because some of them that I have been doing have a lot of carbohydrates. I'm pretty active and I don't sit around all day doing nothing you would think you would burn up everything in you but that's not the case. Oh well I'm going to have some cheese
I've run a high-protein, low-fat, low-carb diet before (85/10/5), and trust me, unless you enjoy feeling like hell all of the time, I'd not recommend it.0 -
I find it impossible to cut down on my carbohydrates, cut down on my fat, watch my sugar intake and my calories at the same time. I just don't eat carbs late at night. I switch from Atkins protein shake which is 9 grams of fat to Premier Protein which is only 3. I still have my two cups of frozen spinach with the protein shake in the morning along with two big strawberries blend it up. I think I have to find better snacks though because some of them that I have been doing have a lot of carbohydrates. I'm pretty active and I don't sit around all day doing nothing you would think you would burn up everything in you but that's not the case. Oh well I'm going to have some cheese
Why would you ever want to cut down on fat?
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »I find it impossible to cut down on my carbohydrates, cut down on my fat, watch my sugar intake and my calories at the same time. I just don't eat carbs late at night. I switch from Atkins protein shake which is 9 grams of fat to Premier Protein which is only 3. I still have my two cups of frozen spinach with the protein shake in the morning along with two big strawberries blend it up. I think I have to find better snacks though because some of them that I have been doing have a lot of carbohydrates. I'm pretty active and I don't sit around all day doing nothing you would think you would burn up everything in you but that's not the case. Oh well I'm going to have some cheese
Why would you ever want to cut down on fat?
Why would you ever not want to cut down on fat?
Essential nurients? Improved health? Taste and mouth feel?3 -
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I need toast.0
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I settled for popcorn.2
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3dogsrunning wrote: »
Popcorn for breakfast, then!
I've come in quite a way under for the first time in about a week. Makes up for some rather heavy days over the weekend. Teen son looked daggers at me for raiding his snack stash, though.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »How does a study which indicates that insulin infusion increases protein aquisition vindicate low carb? Wouldn't low carb cause less insulin to be available?
Exactly my thought - this has nothing really to do with low carb. Higher insulin levels increase protein retention, not too surprising as insulin is an anabolic hormone. If anything, this suggests higher carbohydrate diets are better, if they can keep insulin levels elevated more.
That would assume that "more equals better", which doesn't bear out beyond a certain threshold, as you can't forcefeed muscles into growth. The real question would be, is the insulin spike that comes from protein consumption sufficient to cover it's own needs? I'd be especially curious to see this borne out via a high response protein like whey.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18679613
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-10-50 -
http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/trends-fads/carbs-or-fat-which-is-the-bodys-preferred-fuel-source?page=1Athletes who follow low carb diets for an extended period of time become less able to utilize carbohydrates as fuel. This is usually not to their benefit. Losing your metabolic flexibility can also increase your risk of Type 2 diabetes.
Your profile pic makes me think of the phrase.."moisturize me"0 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »I find it impossible to cut down on my carbohydrates, cut down on my fat, watch my sugar intake and my calories at the same time. I just don't eat carbs late at night. I switch from Atkins protein shake which is 9 grams of fat to Premier Protein which is only 3. I still have my two cups of frozen spinach with the protein shake in the morning along with two big strawberries blend it up. I think I have to find better snacks though because some of them that I have been doing have a lot of carbohydrates. I'm pretty active and I don't sit around all day doing nothing you would think you would burn up everything in you but that's not the case. Oh well I'm going to have some cheese
Why would you ever want to cut down on fat?
Why would you ever not want to cut down on fat?
Essential nurients? Improved health? Taste and mouth feel?
So don't cut down on any foods?
Broccoli. Broccoli can go. And kale. Leeks. Sugar alcohols and some sweeteners. Skim milk. Shudder... Some can go.0 -
As a kid we did eat popcorn and milk for breakfast since we produced both on the farm so there was no cash required for breakfast food in this case.1
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »I find it impossible to cut down on my carbohydrates, cut down on my fat, watch my sugar intake and my calories at the same time. I just don't eat carbs late at night. I switch from Atkins protein shake which is 9 grams of fat to Premier Protein which is only 3. I still have my two cups of frozen spinach with the protein shake in the morning along with two big strawberries blend it up. I think I have to find better snacks though because some of them that I have been doing have a lot of carbohydrates. I'm pretty active and I don't sit around all day doing nothing you would think you would burn up everything in you but that's not the case. Oh well I'm going to have some cheese
Why would you ever want to cut down on fat?
Why would you ever not want to cut down on fat?
Essential nurients? Improved health? Taste and mouth feel?
So don't cut down on any foods?
Broccoli. Broccoli can go. And kale. Leeks. Sugar alcohols and some sweeteners. Skim milk. Shudder... Some can go.
You'll miss them when cancer cells that are vulnerable to green fightonutrients invade. Hopefully they'll die from the lack of sugar alcohols and sweetners to feed on.
Because broccoli is the only green vegetable, or because it is THE premier cancer fighting vegetable? yeah, I'll risk not eating it. Besides, broccoli is best with a cheese and bacon sauce... Some would say that would nicely balance out the health benefits. I'll risk cancer for bacon too.
Do you mean phytonutrients?1 -
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »I find it impossible to cut down on my carbohydrates, cut down on my fat, watch my sugar intake and my calories at the same time. I just don't eat carbs late at night. I switch from Atkins protein shake which is 9 grams of fat to Premier Protein which is only 3. I still have my two cups of frozen spinach with the protein shake in the morning along with two big strawberries blend it up. I think I have to find better snacks though because some of them that I have been doing have a lot of carbohydrates. I'm pretty active and I don't sit around all day doing nothing you would think you would burn up everything in you but that's not the case. Oh well I'm going to have some cheese
Why would you ever want to cut down on fat?
Why would you ever not want to cut down on fat?
Essential nurients? Improved health? Taste and mouth feel?
So don't cut down on any foods?
Broccoli. Broccoli can go. And kale. Leeks. Sugar alcohols and some sweeteners. Skim milk. Shudder... Some can go.
You'll miss them when cancer cells that are vulnerable to green fightonutrients invade. Hopefully they'll die from the lack of sugar alcohols and sweetners to feed on.
Because broccoli is the only green vegetable, or because it is THE premier cancer fighting vegetable? yeah, I'll risk not eating it. Besides, broccoli is best with a cheese and bacon sauce... Some would say that would nicely balance out the health benefits. I'll risk cancer for bacon too.
Do you mean phytonutrients?
Fightonutrients, they give plants colors. There is evidence they fight cancers and are why a vegetable and fruit rich diet increases longevity.
I'm not saying broccoli is the only green vegetable, though you also said kale and leeks.
I'd worry more about the cheese than bacon. If you feel so strongly about it, you might be addicted ot the caseomorphine in it.
Crack like cheese. LOL
No addiction, but I do feel strongly about strong cheese.
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Fightonutrients, they give plants colors. There is evidence they fight cancers and are why a vegetable and fruit rich diet increases longevity.
I'm not saying broccoli is the only green vegetable, though you also said kale and leeks.
I'd worry more about the cheese than bacon. If you feel so strongly about it, you might be addicted ot the caseomorphine in it.[/quote]
I though chlorophyll gave green plants their color?
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Crack like cheese. LOL No addiction, but I do feel strongly about strong cheese.
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I also feel strongly about strong cheese ... Q. What is the thing you snack on the most? A. CHEESE
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