Calorie limit messages hinder fasting days

MissCharly2

Whenever I decide to have a fasting or a cleanse day, the caloric lower limit warnings do not allow me to finish my diary for the day. It would be nice if this app let me make my own decisions for special events, rather than telling me that I'm doing something wrong when I'm not.

arditarose

The app was made for very large audience, most of whom should not eat below 1200 to lose weight, so it is necessary to have a little warning to help people stay on track. Just don't close your diary if it upsets you.

Alatariel75

There's no need to complete your diary. It saves all the same. All it does is give you a projected weight as if every day were like that day, and considering you're not going to fast every day, the prediction is wildly inaccurate.

What it does do is stop someone with disordered eating habits from eating crazy low calories and encouraging themselves by looking at that projected weight.

lorrpb

Maybe there's a reason the makers of this app do not advocate fasting and low cal "cleanses"...Just sayin'

sunnybeaches105

I agree with the OP. Sending warnings and refusing to close a diary isn't going to stop someone from disordered eating, but it is annoying to those who may fast or eat fewer calories for legitimate reasons. My guess is MFP's attorneys suggested setting the limit to avoid being accused of encouraging ED behavior. We do live in a bit of a nanny state when it comes to assigning liability to third parties with money. As a result, I doubt this will ever change.

cmriverside

What do you mean you, "can't close your diary"?

The only thing the 'Complete This Entry' does is generate a newsfeed message (if you have that enabled) and give that ridiculous "In 5 weeks" thing.

'Complete This Entry' does nothing else. Just skip it if that "You are undereating" message bothers you. :shrug:

MKEgal

MissCharly2 wrote:

Whenever I decide to have a fasting or a cleanse day...

Other than religion, why would you choose to go without eating?
And what exactly are you "cleansing"? Don't you normally wash your food?


Highly-controlled eating schemes make people feel worse, but don't lead to more weight loss or better health

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23244741
Double trouble: restrained eaters do not eat less and feel worse
"high levels of dietary restraint do not appear to reflect actual caloric restraint, it has been found to be a risk factor for a wide array of maladaptive eating patterns. ... restrained eaters do not eat less than they intend to do"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18325547
"We examine the comfort food preferences and consumption patterns of women with highly versus less developed schemas for cognitive restraint, emotional and situational eating ... complex eating schemas weaken biological signals and produce maladaptive patterns... High schematics reported a lesser post-consumption increase in fullness than low schematics. Low schematics favoured low and high calorie foods equally, their choice motivated by pleasure and positive emotions."

Karen_can_do_this

Either add a quick add of 1200 calories or just don't close it off at the end of the day. I used to do this when I was following the 5:2 wol.
My dr helped me research this and follows it himself. He incidentally was the one who suggested the quick add. He uses mfp as well

The_Original_Beauty

I'm doing 16:8 and make sure I eat 1200 calories, there is no reason for you to go below 1200 calories. Simply do not submit at the end of the day, is there a problem if you don't?

MissCharly2

Thank you for those who are supportive.
There’s nothing wrong with a periodic fast to reset the immune system and fight disease.

For those who think you need to tell me what to do, apparently I’ve done research in areas you have not. Researching only one side of a topic is not research at all, but bias.

MissCharly2

By fast, I mean no food.

hesn92

just don't close your diary. Closing your diary doesn't do anything important

hesn92

And in my mind, nothing wrong with fasting as long as you are still eating enough overall from your other days.

nutmegoreo

MissCharly2 wrote: »

Thank you for those who are supportive.
There’s nothing wrong with a periodic fast to reset the immune system and fight disease.

For those who think you need to tell me what to do, apparently I’ve done research in areas you have not. Researching only one side of a topic is not research at all, but bias.

You came back 2 years later to chastise and belittle people for their responses to you?

ETA: Your ability to fast for whatever reason you want isn't hindered by the inability to close the diary. All of the data is still saved, it just doesn't give you a projection. If it did, it would be highly inaccurate anyway, because the prediction is based on eating the same way every single day during that 5 weeks. Unless you plan on doing a 5 week fast, and even then, the numbers will be off.

NovusDies

MissCharly2 wrote: »

Thank you for those who are supportive.
There’s nothing wrong with a periodic fast to reset the immune system and fight disease.

For those who think you need to tell me what to do, apparently I’ve done research in areas you have not. Researching only one side of a topic is not research at all, but bias.

Can you please list the places where this research can be found?

ExistingFish

So, when I have a cheat day (a true cheat day) or when I was inconsistent with my logging, I just didn't log for a day, or didn't finish a day...why does this seem like a problem for people who want to fast on purpose? It's the same thing, just don't enter food or enter less food? I fail to see how not logging a day vs logging no food because you fasted come out to a different result in MFP.

nutmegoreo

ExistingFish wrote: »

So, when I have a cheat day (a true cheat day) or when I was inconsistent with my logging, I just didn't log for a day, or didn't finish a day...why does this seem like a problem for people who want to fast on purpose? It's the same thing, just don't enter food or enter less food? I fail to see how not logging a day vs logging no food because you fasted come out to a different result in MFP.

I closed a day with a huge overage. It made me giggle, because, of course, I'm not going to eat that way everyday. But it was funny to see the numbers. I log all days, the good, the bad, the ugly, because complete data tells me more.

AnvilHead

Closing the diary accomplishes absolutely nothing, so it doesn't hinder anything at all if you can't close it. If you really feel the need for the entry in your newsfeed, manually type in a message that you completed your diary for the day and were under your calorie goal. The 5-week prediction from closing your diary is going to be complete nonsense anyway, since it's going to assume that you ate just like you did on that day for the next five weeks and is going to give a ridiculously low weight prediction.

TrishSeren

nutmegoreo wrote: »

ExistingFish wrote: »

So, when I have a cheat day (a true cheat day) or when I was inconsistent with my logging, I just didn't log for a day, or didn't finish a day...why does this seem like a problem for people who want to fast on purpose? It's the same thing, just don't enter food or enter less food? I fail to see how not logging a day vs logging no food because you fasted come out to a different result in MFP.

I closed a day with a huge overage. It made me giggle, because, of course, I'm not going to eat that way everyday. But it was funny to see the numbers. I log all days, the good, the bad, the ugly, because complete data tells me more.

Lol that was me on Sunday, but I did eat an entire pizza that day. The "you'll weigh X in 5 weeks" made me laugh.

TrishSeren

NovusDies wrote: »

MissCharly2 wrote: »

Thank you for those who are supportive.
There’s nothing wrong with a periodic fast to reset the immune system and fight disease.

For those who think you need to tell me what to do, apparently I’ve done research in areas you have not. Researching only one side of a topic is not research at all, but bias.

Can you please list the places where this research can be found?

Have to wait another 2 years.