Can someone explain why I struggle with one type of exercise but not the other?
KrazyKrissyy
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I'm trying to figure it out but can't. Basically, I can do weight lifting for an hour or more without burning out completely. I can also sprint or do HIIT without struggle. But when it comes to long distance running, I'm completely burnt out within 10-20 minutes; sometimes less (which is why I switched to HIIT in the first place). By the way, my mom is medium, my sister is overweight, and my brother is skinny-fat (just saying) yet they can all run 5Ks and long distance no problem. They cannot lift or sprint like me, however, so this probably doesn't have anything to do with how fit/unfit a person is otherwise I would be able to run like them. What's the reason I'm having so much difficulty? I've tried endurance running multiple times and still do every once in a while but I burn out fairly quick. Resistance training on the other hand is a piece of cake for me, as well as sprinting. Can someone explain? Is there any hope?
Ps- Have you ever watched that Tortoise vs Hare animation movie? If we were to all run a marathon together, they would be the tortoise, going slow and steady, while I'm the hare who starts out fast then ends up taking naps and using candy bars to boost my energy back, lol.
Ps- Have you ever watched that Tortoise vs Hare animation movie? If we were to all run a marathon together, they would be the tortoise, going slow and steady, while I'm the hare who starts out fast then ends up taking naps and using candy bars to boost my energy back, lol.
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I'm not an expert on anything to do with cardio, but at a guess I'd say it's because the things you normally train (weightlifting and HIIT) build strong, but fairly quickly exhausted muscles. Even a sprint is a short, explosive burst of energy that ends quickly. So your body's been conditioned to do hard work for a short amount of time and then rest. Where your less muscular family members don't have the extra heavy muscle to have to lug around during all that steady state cardio.2
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It is most likely that it is because those types of exercise are quite different in their muscle fiber use and energy pathways.2
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I can't run for *kitten* either. But I don't want to run anyway so......
I can walk for days on end, or lift, or HIIT, or do martial arts - but try to get me to "jog" or "run" BLEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Do you even WANT to run? If so, why? And if so, you start slow and eventually will enjoy it I suppose...0 -
You're running too fast9
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Try active recovery. When you're cooked slow it way down but keep moving. As you get your wind back, kick the intensity back up. Eventually you'll be able to recover at faster speeds. This is the way to increase endurance in my opinion and experience. Good luck!1
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Why are you comparing yourself to others? Listen to your body, it knows what best for you depending on your bone structure and all, for example if I do machine pec flyes my shoulders clicks while other people don't have that problem so I switched to dumbbell pec flyes and nothing clicks
so I guess your body is telling you long distance running isn't for you.0 -
You're running too fast
Agree with this. I've been running long distance off and on for years (right now I'm off and don't think I'll go back) and when I would be off, I'd concentrate on HIITs/interval training and then would try to go back to running. I would get burnt out really fast and would feel so defeated. I realized I was used to the high intensity and was running too fast, even though I felt like I wasn't.0 -
How have you trained for running? Look into couch to 10k. The first few weeks might be too easy for you, but it will gradually build you up over 15 weeks or so.0
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My mother, who used to run a lot, told me that if you can't hold a conversation with someone while you run, you're running too fast. Slow it down. Try running for a minute and walking for a minute until you can run more and walk less, but keep the speed slow. You want to run distances, not sprint.0
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You've also trained your body for one main energy supply - glucose for those hard efforts.
Goes along with going too fast - that's your main fuel - and it can't last long with that type of effort.
Need to slow down to train fat-burning system better. Your body for awhile is still going to ramp up even if you go slow, burning glucose at higher rate than really needed, it thinks that's the type of workout being done.
Just keep at it - it'll change.
As above - broken conversation right pace, able to sing is too slow unless you are purposely doing active recovery.
Gasping for air for a few word comments is too fast. Likely where you are right now.2 -
Why are you comparing yourself to others? Listen to your body, it knows what best for you depending on your bone structure and all, for example if I do machine pec flyes my shoulders clicks while other people don't have that problem so I switched to dumbbell pec flyes and nothing clicks
so I guess your body is telling you long distance running isn't for you.
I'm comparing because I needed to identify if this struggle was personally me or a general thing. Not trying to ignore my body. I just thought of adding more variety, as well trying out what I saw my family members do. I was even hoping one day I could join them in a 5k. My mom has brought it up before.1 -
You can do a 5k! Try a program like couch to 5k and run slowly while doing it. Most people try to run too fast which a recipe for failure.1
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How have you trained for running? Look into couch to 10k. The first few weeks might be too easy for you, but it will gradually build you up over 15 weeks or so.
I'm not sure what defines as training for running but as I stated before, I have tried pacing myself with runs, including on the elliptical but I still get burnt out quick. I need a better approach. What's couch to 10k?0 -
Couch to 5k is interval training and has you running more and more til you can run 30 minutes straight. It starts with run 1 minute, walk 2 minutes several times. You can find it free online.1
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I don't know if this helps, but i'm the same way.
I have trained specifically for running, i have trained for endurance, and YES i have made improvements... but it is still very clear that i'm best at high-powered and quick exercises. I am best at weight lifting, intervals, etc.
Even in the peak of my physical fitness, where i was a competitive gymnast training 20+ hours a week, I sucked at running or performing long low intensity exercise. Vault? no big deal. Floor? No big deal. Running 3 miles? I was dying.0 -
Some people are genetically predisposed to be better at shorter more explosive movements, others at endurance type events. Not a big deal, you just need to understand where you are starting from so that you can improve. Your long runs should all be pretty slow & easy. I would still do a tempo run here an there,(1/week) but if you want to get better at distance running, keep it slower so you can go longer. I was a sprinter/jumper in track that trained and did marathons later in life. You have to accept your weaknesses and work on them.0
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The INTENSITY you're doing for running is higher than you do for lifting or HIIT. Try running slower till you build up enough endurance to do it longer.
And as mentioned, you're working different muscle fibers for endurance vs. strength (which HIIT really is).
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The different pathways used by the body's muscle tissue to derive energy vary in the duration and peak energy output. This might be interesting reading for you: http://breakingmuscle.com/health-medicine/understanding-energy-systems-atp-pc-glycolytic-and-oxidative-oh-my0
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Fast twitch vs slow twitch and cardio base. Between the two it's very possible to be good at lifting and explosive type things, but not good at endurance type things.
It takes time to build to endurance work, and I don't think many people do very well at it without some training time unless they do circuit or other workout types that build cardio base with strength biased training.1 -
Blame mom and dad. In all seriousness it's your genetics and everybody's body is different.
To put things in perspective and based on my own personal experience I could swim 1 to 2 miles two to three times a week and yet I was sucking wind after a mile jog and my legs would kill me.
When I was lifting I couldn't bench press my own weight but I could do lat pull-downs with more than I weighed. Also I could squat 2 times my own weight like it was no big deal.
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STEVE142142 wrote: »Blame mom and dad. In all seriousness it's your genetics and everybody's body is different.
To put things in perspective and based on my own personal experience I could swim 1 to 2 miles two to three times a week and yet I was sucking wind after a mile jog and my legs would kill me.
When I was lifting I couldn't bench press my own weight but I could do lat pull-downs with more than I weighed. Also I could squat 2 times my own weight like it was no big deal.
I don't think it is a matter of genetics and using mom and dad as an excuse.
In my opinion, she hasn't been training properly for long distance running. And that is one of the reasons why she has continued to fail in her quest.
Long distance running requires the proper training, which will produce the endurance and stamina needed over time (along with incorporating good hydration (and fueling) techniques when applicable) to run long distances.1 -
BasicGreatGuy wrote: »STEVE142142 wrote: »Blame mom and dad. In all seriousness it's your genetics and everybody's body is different.
To put things in perspective and based on my own personal experience I could swim 1 to 2 miles two to three times a week and yet I was sucking wind after a mile jog and my legs would kill me.
When I was lifting I couldn't bench press my own weight but I could do lat pull-downs with more than I weighed. Also I could squat 2 times my own weight like it was no big deal.
I don't think it is a matter of genetics and using mom and dad as an excuse.
In my opinion, she hasn't been training properly for long distance running. And that is one of the reasons why she has continued to fail in her quest.
Long distance running requires the proper training, which will produce the endurance and stamina needed over time (along with incorporating good hydration (and fueling) techniques when applicable) to run long distances.
^This. Specificity of training matters. Powerlifters don't train by running 10Ks. 10K runners don't train by powerlifting. You can get very good at one and still completely suck at the other. Strength training isn't optimal for building a cardio base, and cardio isn't optimal for building a strength training base. I'm sure there are plenty of world-class powerlifters who would die if they had to run a 5K, and a lot of world-class runners who couldn't deadlift 25% of what a powerlifter can bench press.1 -
BasicGreatGuy wrote: »STEVE142142 wrote: »Blame mom and dad. In all seriousness it's your genetics and everybody's body is different.
To put things in perspective and based on my own personal experience I could swim 1 to 2 miles two to three times a week and yet I was sucking wind after a mile jog and my legs would kill me.
When I was lifting I couldn't bench press my own weight but I could do lat pull-downs with more than I weighed. Also I could squat 2 times my own weight like it was no big deal.
I don't think it is a matter of genetics and using mom and dad as an excuse.
In my opinion, she hasn't been training properly for long distance running. And that is one of the reasons why she has continued to fail in her quest.
Long distance running requires the proper training, which will produce the endurance and stamina needed over time (along with incorporating good hydration (and fueling) techniques when applicable) to run long distances.
^This. Specificity of training matters. Powerlifters don't train by running 10Ks. 10K runners don't train by powerlifting. You can get very good at one and still completely suck at the other. Strength training isn't optimal for building a cardio base, and cardio isn't optimal for building a strength training base. I'm sure there are plenty of world-class powerlifters who would die if they had to run a 5K, and a lot of world-class runners who couldn't deadlift 25% of what a powerlifter can bench press.
Is it possible to be good at both? Or will there always be one that you're much better at? I'll give the endurance training more practice and go slower next time by the way.0 -
KrazyKrissyy wrote: »BasicGreatGuy wrote: »STEVE142142 wrote: »Blame mom and dad. In all seriousness it's your genetics and everybody's body is different.
To put things in perspective and based on my own personal experience I could swim 1 to 2 miles two to three times a week and yet I was sucking wind after a mile jog and my legs would kill me.
When I was lifting I couldn't bench press my own weight but I could do lat pull-downs with more than I weighed. Also I could squat 2 times my own weight like it was no big deal.
I don't think it is a matter of genetics and using mom and dad as an excuse.
In my opinion, she hasn't been training properly for long distance running. And that is one of the reasons why she has continued to fail in her quest.
Long distance running requires the proper training, which will produce the endurance and stamina needed over time (along with incorporating good hydration (and fueling) techniques when applicable) to run long distances.
^This. Specificity of training matters. Powerlifters don't train by running 10Ks. 10K runners don't train by powerlifting. You can get very good at one and still completely suck at the other. Strength training isn't optimal for building a cardio base, and cardio isn't optimal for building a strength training base. I'm sure there are plenty of world-class powerlifters who would die if they had to run a 5K, and a lot of world-class runners who couldn't deadlift 25% of what a powerlifter can bench press.
Is it possible to be good at both? Or will there always be one that you're much better at? I'll give the endurance training more practice and go slower next time by the way.
Good in comparison to yourself - yes - you can keep improving both with well scheduled workouts.
Good in comparison to others - at a higher level likely not.
You could have an even match of slow/fast twitch fibers so have equal potential in both disciplines - but then others will have more of one and excel easily in that direction when they focus on it.
You could have more of one and focus on the other and become decent - but it'll always be harder for you compared to those that have it naturally.
But those things only start to matter if attempting age-group results and weight-class results.
You can make improvements for a long time before that matters - and if only comparing to yourself, no problem.0 -
KrazyKrissyy wrote: »BasicGreatGuy wrote: »STEVE142142 wrote: »Blame mom and dad. In all seriousness it's your genetics and everybody's body is different.
To put things in perspective and based on my own personal experience I could swim 1 to 2 miles two to three times a week and yet I was sucking wind after a mile jog and my legs would kill me.
When I was lifting I couldn't bench press my own weight but I could do lat pull-downs with more than I weighed. Also I could squat 2 times my own weight like it was no big deal.
I don't think it is a matter of genetics and using mom and dad as an excuse.
In my opinion, she hasn't been training properly for long distance running. And that is one of the reasons why she has continued to fail in her quest.
Long distance running requires the proper training, which will produce the endurance and stamina needed over time (along with incorporating good hydration (and fueling) techniques when applicable) to run long distances.
^This. Specificity of training matters. Powerlifters don't train by running 10Ks. 10K runners don't train by powerlifting. You can get very good at one and still completely suck at the other. Strength training isn't optimal for building a cardio base, and cardio isn't optimal for building a strength training base. I'm sure there are plenty of world-class powerlifters who would die if they had to run a 5K, and a lot of world-class runners who couldn't deadlift 25% of what a powerlifter can bench press.
Is it possible to be good at both? Or will there always be one that you're much better at? I'll give the endurance training more practice and go slower next time by the way.
Good in comparison to yourself - yes - you can keep improving both with well scheduled workouts.
Good in comparison to others - at a higher level likely not.
You could have an even match of slow/fast twitch fibers so have equal potential in both disciplines - but then others will have more of one and excel easily in that direction when they focus on it.
You could have more of one and focus on the other and become decent - but it'll always be harder for you compared to those that have it naturally.
But those things only start to matter if attempting age-group results and weight-class results.
You can make improvements for a long time before that matters - and if only comparing to yourself, no problem.
Alright, thanks!0 -
You don't have to run longer, faster will do in a zombie attack
Which is the basic rule to judge all things
You could throw a dumbbell at a zombie's head and outrun the person next to you in a horde attack
In the scheme of things that is all that matters :bigsmile:
(PS I'm exactly the same, endurance sucks comparatively its down to enjoyment and muscle fibres)2 -
KrazyKrissyy wrote: »BasicGreatGuy wrote: »STEVE142142 wrote: »Blame mom and dad. In all seriousness it's your genetics and everybody's body is different.
To put things in perspective and based on my own personal experience I could swim 1 to 2 miles two to three times a week and yet I was sucking wind after a mile jog and my legs would kill me.
When I was lifting I couldn't bench press my own weight but I could do lat pull-downs with more than I weighed. Also I could squat 2 times my own weight like it was no big deal.
I don't think it is a matter of genetics and using mom and dad as an excuse.
In my opinion, she hasn't been training properly for long distance running. And that is one of the reasons why she has continued to fail in her quest.
Long distance running requires the proper training, which will produce the endurance and stamina needed over time (along with incorporating good hydration (and fueling) techniques when applicable) to run long distances.
^This. Specificity of training matters. Powerlifters don't train by running 10Ks. 10K runners don't train by powerlifting. You can get very good at one and still completely suck at the other. Strength training isn't optimal for building a cardio base, and cardio isn't optimal for building a strength training base. I'm sure there are plenty of world-class powerlifters who would die if they had to run a 5K, and a lot of world-class runners who couldn't deadlift 25% of what a powerlifter can bench press.
Is it possible to be good at both? Or will there always be one that you're much better at? I'll give the endurance training more practice and go slower next time by the way.
You will likely always be better at one, but you can absolutely be good at both. Good programming and consistency goes a long way. Somehow the myth is perpetuated that you have to be one or the other and are always destined to be that way. This is not the case at all.0
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