Gaining every week now
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leahcollett1 wrote: »no i stopped losing weight a year ago. i have gained a stone and a half since July.. i know exactly what im putting in my mouth, i eat 1600 calories to lose 1.5 lbs a week., i did exercise but with looking after 2 girls/college/full time job its getting harder.
i know deep down in my gut its not me, it has to be the pills. i have a doctors appointment at 11.30.
Also, utilize your pharmacist. Doctors are diagnosticians primarily but pharmacists can help your doctor with prescribing a more appropriate med or dosage. (I only know this because my friend is a pharmacist and talking with her I have realized that pharmacists are tragically under utilized.) Good luck!0 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »between 1500- and 1600 a day
which, if you stopped losing weight a year ago, is your maintenance?
at 16 stone 1600 is my maintenance?
my tdee says 2300?
I'm just going by what you've said. you havent lost weight since last year, and you eat 1600 cals per day?
yes its strange.. its why i was tested for my thyroid in the first place, as ive already lost 5 stone ( well 4 now) i was doing everything right so i couldnt understand it. the bloods came back with a tsh of 5.8 and they stuck me on levothyroxine. since the pills ive gained a stone. this past year i was able to lose but then gain, lose again then gain again, but now im on the pills ive consistently gained.
First off, a tsh of 5.8 is horrible. Most functional medicine doctors will tell you that a person will not feel good with a tsh over 1.5 much less be able to lose weight at a decent rate.
Second, synthroid is not effective for a lot of people bc it only addresses t4. The problem is if your body is not efficient at converting t4 to t3 then you can take very high doses of it and get no change in actual active thyroid hormone. I would push your doctor to get you on both a t3 and t4 med (either armour or add cytomel to the levoxy) and increase the dose to get you to a max 1.5 tsh.
I know right where you're at. I was gaining 20#'s a month and freaking out before a decent doctor figured this all out. Again, I would look at the sttm website and get some numbers guidance to take to your doctor. Your FREE t3 and free t4 should be in the upper 1/3 of the lab range. If they are lower then that you are going to struggle. Just getting t4 and t3 checked won't tell you anything. You need to check your FREE t3 and free t4.
Hopefully you're appt goes well and you have a competent enough doctor to get this right (you'd be surprised how many are worthless in this area).
dam i wish i knew this before this morning i have just been for my bloods today and on the form it just states t3 and t4.
im in the uk, and ive heard that we are not licensed for t3 here, does anybody know whether thats true? my doctor has just told me to be patient that it takes a while for the levo to work. that she will look at my bloody tests on monday and adjust accordingly. so mean while i have to either have a diet of 1200 ( which at the moment for me is really hard) or just accept the weight gain.
whats scaring the living crap out of me is just getting to 20 stone again. i dont want to be that girl and at 16 stone im marginally heading towards it at a bloody fast pace, at a stone every 8 weeks.
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leahcollett1 wrote: »Ok so I've been on levothyroxine since beginning of August. To treat thyroid. I have gained every week since despite counting calories and weighing everything. I lost 5 stone before now nothing. I'm now back to 16 stone.
I'm thinking of stopping my Meds I know for a fact it's them as I've never gained every week before
I'm taking 50mg of levo
Okay .... so go see your doctor and discuss with them, NO ONE ON HERE KNOWS YOUR MEDICAL HISTORY!!!
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leahcollett1 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »between 1500- and 1600 a day
which, if you stopped losing weight a year ago, is your maintenance?
at 16 stone 1600 is my maintenance?
my tdee says 2300?
I'm just going by what you've said. you havent lost weight since last year, and you eat 1600 cals per day?
yes its strange.. its why i was tested for my thyroid in the first place, as ive already lost 5 stone ( well 4 now) i was doing everything right so i couldnt understand it. the bloods came back with a tsh of 5.8 and they stuck me on levothyroxine. since the pills ive gained a stone. this past year i was able to lose but then gain, lose again then gain again, but now im on the pills ive consistently gained.
First off, a tsh of 5.8 is horrible. Most functional medicine doctors will tell you that a person will not feel good with a tsh over 1.5 much less be able to lose weight at a decent rate.
Second, synthroid is not effective for a lot of people bc it only addresses t4. The problem is if your body is not efficient at converting t4 to t3 then you can take very high doses of it and get no change in actual active thyroid hormone. I would push your doctor to get you on both a t3 and t4 med (either armour or add cytomel to the levoxy) and increase the dose to get you to a max 1.5 tsh.
I know right where you're at. I was gaining 20#'s a month and freaking out before a decent doctor figured this all out. Again, I would look at the sttm website and get some numbers guidance to take to your doctor. Your FREE t3 and free t4 should be in the upper 1/3 of the lab range. If they are lower then that you are going to struggle. Just getting t4 and t3 checked won't tell you anything. You need to check your FREE t3 and free t4.
Hopefully you're appt goes well and you have a competent enough doctor to get this right (you'd be surprised how many are worthless in this area).
dam i wish i knew this before this morning i have just been for my bloods today and on the form it just states t3 and t4.
im in the uk, and ive heard that we are not licensed for t3 here, does anybody know whether thats true? my doctor has just told me to be patient that it takes a while for the levo to work. that she will look at my bloody tests on monday and adjust accordingly. so mean while i have to either have a diet of 1200 ( which at the moment for me is really hard) or just accept the weight gain.
whats scaring the living crap out of me is just getting to 20 stone again. i dont want to be that girl and at 16 stone im marginally heading towards it at a bloody fast pace, at a stone every 8 weeks.
given your stats, why not try 1350, as i suggested, and try and find time for some exercise to increase that number a bit more.0 -
leahcollett1 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »between 1500- and 1600 a day
which, if you stopped losing weight a year ago, is your maintenance?
at 16 stone 1600 is my maintenance?
my tdee says 2300?
I'm just going by what you've said. you havent lost weight since last year, and you eat 1600 cals per day?
yes its strange.. its why i was tested for my thyroid in the first place, as ive already lost 5 stone ( well 4 now) i was doing everything right so i couldnt understand it. the bloods came back with a tsh of 5.8 and they stuck me on levothyroxine. since the pills ive gained a stone. this past year i was able to lose but then gain, lose again then gain again, but now im on the pills ive consistently gained.
First off, a tsh of 5.8 is horrible. Most functional medicine doctors will tell you that a person will not feel good with a tsh over 1.5 much less be able to lose weight at a decent rate.
Second, synthroid is not effective for a lot of people bc it only addresses t4. The problem is if your body is not efficient at converting t4 to t3 then you can take very high doses of it and get no change in actual active thyroid hormone. I would push your doctor to get you on both a t3 and t4 med (either armour or add cytomel to the levoxy) and increase the dose to get you to a max 1.5 tsh.
I know right where you're at. I was gaining 20#'s a month and freaking out before a decent doctor figured this all out. Again, I would look at the sttm website and get some numbers guidance to take to your doctor. Your FREE t3 and free t4 should be in the upper 1/3 of the lab range. If they are lower then that you are going to struggle. Just getting t4 and t3 checked won't tell you anything. You need to check your FREE t3 and free t4.
Hopefully you're appt goes well and you have a competent enough doctor to get this right (you'd be surprised how many are worthless in this area).
dam i wish i knew this before this morning i have just been for my bloods today and on the form it just states t3 and t4.
im in the uk, and ive heard that we are not licensed for t3 here, does anybody know whether thats true? my doctor has just told me to be patient that it takes a while for the levo to work. that she will look at my bloody tests on monday and adjust accordingly. so mean while i have to either have a diet of 1200 ( which at the moment for me is really hard) or just accept the weight gain.
whats scaring the living crap out of me is just getting to 20 stone again. i dont want to be that girl and at 16 stone im marginally heading towards it at a bloody fast pace, at a stone every 8 weeks.
I mentioned this on the other thread you had about your thyroid but it probably got lost in the mix. Nonetheless, if your doctor won't do this over the phone you'll have to make some eating adjustments until you can get this fixed. Your dose of levoxy is actually fairly low but I suspect the issue is t4 to t3 conversion and not enough meds. 200-400mcg of selenium can help the conversion issue. I still have to take 400mcg of selenium a day even on armour b/c I have pituitary damage that doesn't help my conversion issues be any easier. UK can do T3 b/c I have at least one friend there that does it. It's a matter of finding a doctor that BELIEVES that could be the issue. It's hard here even to find a good doctor that gets all this. I went through 3 or 4 endos before I finally found a decent family doctor that knew what he was doing and would listen to me. It can be very frustrating! Hang in there. Advocate for yourself as best you can. I've just learned to tell doctors what they're going to do, not the other way around. If they don't like it, I literally tell them I'll take my money elsewhere and that usually makes a difference. Although in the UK, that may not work.
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Are you counting your calories elsewhere? Because your diary looks blank to me on here....0
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leahcollett1 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »between 1500- and 1600 a day
which, if you stopped losing weight a year ago, is your maintenance?
at 16 stone 1600 is my maintenance?
my tdee says 2300?
I'm just going by what you've said. you havent lost weight since last year, and you eat 1600 cals per day?
yes its strange.. its why i was tested for my thyroid in the first place, as ive already lost 5 stone ( well 4 now) i was doing everything right so i couldnt understand it. the bloods came back with a tsh of 5.8 and they stuck me on levothyroxine. since the pills ive gained a stone. this past year i was able to lose but then gain, lose again then gain again, but now im on the pills ive consistently gained.
First off, a tsh of 5.8 is horrible. Most functional medicine doctors will tell you that a person will not feel good with a tsh over 1.5 much less be able to lose weight at a decent rate.
Second, synthroid is not effective for a lot of people bc it only addresses t4. The problem is if your body is not efficient at converting t4 to t3 then you can take very high doses of it and get no change in actual active thyroid hormone. I would push your doctor to get you on both a t3 and t4 med (either armour or add cytomel to the levoxy) and increase the dose to get you to a max 1.5 tsh.
I know right where you're at. I was gaining 20#'s a month and freaking out before a decent doctor figured this all out. Again, I would look at the sttm website and get some numbers guidance to take to your doctor. Your FREE t3 and free t4 should be in the upper 1/3 of the lab range. If they are lower then that you are going to struggle. Just getting t4 and t3 checked won't tell you anything. You need to check your FREE t3 and free t4.
Hopefully you're appt goes well and you have a competent enough doctor to get this right (you'd be surprised how many are worthless in this area).
dam i wish i knew this before this morning i have just been for my bloods today and on the form it just states t3 and t4.
im in the uk, and ive heard that we are not licensed for t3 here, does anybody know whether thats true? my doctor has just told me to be patient that it takes a while for the levo to work. that she will look at my bloody tests on monday and adjust accordingly. so mean while i have to either have a diet of 1200 ( which at the moment for me is really hard) or just accept the weight gain.
whats scaring the living crap out of me is just getting to 20 stone again. i dont want to be that girl and at 16 stone im marginally heading towards it at a bloody fast pace, at a stone every 8 weeks.
OP, you are not gonna be the girl at 16 stone.. Can you be patient for a while longer? NO need to keep stressing yourself out over this until the doctor calls back?
You can do something now in regards to your concerns while the doctors work on your medical history and reviewing your tests.. till then try the suggestions given.. Its all good advice..
Doctor already stated that it takes time to get get the medication working. I am of very little knowledge on the medication, but I have had low t4 before and it takes time to get your blood panels back to normal.0 -
yes sorry i count calories on another website called weight loss resources.co.,uk. its a uk based website.
thanks everyone for your replies. its the feeling of not being in control that frightens me,
i will try to reduce my calories to 1350 and see if that helps. although i find i do get hungry0 -
leahcollett1 wrote: »yes sorry i count calories on another website called weight loss resources.co.,uk. its a uk based website.
thanks everyone for your replies. its the feeling of not being in control that frightens me,
i will try to reduce my calories to 1350 and see if that helps. although i find i do get hungry
Do you log every day on that other website? I'm perplexed why you would log 2.5 days here this month if you are logging elsewhere as well.
On the days you did log here, (Sep 1 & 16) I noticed you were short on your Fiber goal. Try reaching that and seeing if that helps with satiety. Also, your fat target and consumption is very low. Fat is important for satiety as well. Try tweaking your macros to include more fat. Making these changes might help you eat less calories for the same amount of fullness.0 -
ok, thanks - yea i sometimes enter calories on both to compare - im trying to decide which is a better site for me thats all. that is very interesting because i ate something full of fat earlier ( unlike me) and funny enough didnt think about food until 2pm again not like me at all. i was surprised that my belly wasn't gurgling at me. thats really interesting point.1
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leahcollett1 wrote: »Ok so I've been on levothyroxine since beginning of August. To treat thyroid. I have gained every week since despite counting calories and weighing everything. I lost 5 stone before now nothing. I'm now back to 16 stone.
I'm thinking of stopping my Meds I know for a fact it's them as I've never gained every week before
I'm taking 50mg of levo
Talk to your doctor. Even with meds, you are eating too much if you are gaining weight.
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I did talk to her. She said it takes time for the pills to take effect that I'm still suffering from a slow thyroid. That o need patience. I know what I put in my mouth and I I have less calories now than I did a year ago when I was lighter! And I'm still gaining weight.0
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What I was hoping to gain. Was any others out there that have been where I have been and come out the other side better. Healthier and losing weight on levo. Thats all.0
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I just did a search on the medication name and tons of threads on this..
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/37706482#Comment_37706482
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10438922/under-active-thyroid-and-success-rates/p1
Wait I just noticed the above threads are your threads..
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/37729153#Comment_37729153
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/37719803#Comment_37719803
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leahcollett1 wrote: »What I was hoping to gain. Was any others out there that have been where I have been and come out the other side better. Healthier and losing weight on levo. Thats all.
I have been there. And it did take time. It took about 2 weeks for me to start feeling human and about 4 weeks for my thyroid hormones to come up high enough for me to start noticing a difference weight loss wise. The thing is, that isn't going to happen for you until you are on the right dosage and right blend of T3 and T4. So your time frame does not start for those things until you hit the right amount for you (meaning the first day you start taking the right amount). I'm sorry. I think this doctor is quacked. 50mg of levoxy with that high of a TSH is just not going to do it. I would either find you another doctor or go plant yourself in her office with a fistful of knowledge and information to show her and see if you can get this fixed. But, I'm like that - some people aren't. The only thing I would recommend in the meantime is adding in 400mcg of selenium (do not take more then that) once a day and see if that helps your conversion rate any. Otherwise, you are going to have to stick this out. Be diligent with your logging, keep things tight diet wise, and just tell yourself this is temporary. Without a doctor willing to make micro adjustments like mine did, I don't know how else you can do it (I adjust my own meds but have my doctor's blessing to do so).2 -
Thank you so much.. she is willing to adjust my dose again on Monday. I need to ring her once she has the bloods. Yes I'll grab some selenium that's a good idea. I can't believe I was ignorant to believe this would be sorted as soon as I started taking the Meds lol0
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »leahcollett1 wrote: »What I was hoping to gain. Was any others out there that have been where I have been and come out the other side better. Healthier and losing weight on levo. Thats all.
I have been there. And it did take time. It took about 2 weeks for me to start feeling human and about 4 weeks for my thyroid hormones to come up high enough for me to start noticing a difference weight loss wise. The thing is, that isn't going to happen for you until you are on the right dosage and right blend of T3 and T4. So your time frame does not start for those things until you hit the right amount for you (meaning the first day you start taking the right amount). I'm sorry. I think this doctor is quacked. 50mg of levoxy with that high of a TSH is just not going to do it. I would either find you another doctor or go plant yourself in her office with a fistful of knowledge and information to show her and see if you can get this fixed. But, I'm like that - some people aren't. The only thing I would recommend in the meantime is adding in 400mcg of selenium (do not take more then that) once a day and see if that helps your conversion rate any. Otherwise, you are going to have to stick this out. Be diligent with your logging, keep things tight diet wise, and just tell yourself this is temporary. Without a doctor willing to make micro adjustments like mine did, I don't know how else you can do it (I adjust my own meds but have my doctor's blessing to do so).
Could you please send me a link to buy some there's so many different ones out there?0 -
I said it on your previous thread and I will say it again, it takes time before your thyroxine dose is at the right level (at 16.7st I was on 200mcg) it took my gp 2 years to get it right for me.
At 50mcg and still gaining, means the dose is too low and hate to say it but that means 1600 kcal is too much for you right now.
Do not stop taking the tablets, it will only mean you will gain even faster than you are now, levo is replacing what your body is no longer making itself.
And to say again I was where you were 6 years ago and I have lost 5st since my diagnosis so it can be done but right now you need to be patient and stay on top of your gp. Thyroxine is a hormone they are slow acting it takes at least 6 weeks for a new dosage to be in your system.2 -
leahcollett1 wrote: »
Could you please send me a link to buy some there's so many different ones out there?
Sure. This company is one that many of the very high end supplement companies use and just relabel the supplement with their expensive label brand. For the most part, I trust their stuff.
http://www.vitacost.com/now-selenium
NOW brand has two different labels but they are both basically orange and white. These are 200mcg caps so 400mcg would be two caps. Doesn't matter if you take them together or AM/PM. You may want to find a source in the UK but at least you can see what it looks like.0 -
You say you've been eating a certain amount of calories, but I only see 3 days logged in your diary for September, and I see foods that haven't been weighed... How did you log your calories for the last year?
I suggest clean up your logging, weigh every bit of food that goes into your mouth (no more 1 slice, 1 baguette, 1 piece, 13 raspberries) weigh it all for a more accurate calorie count. Weigh the deli slices, eggs, meat, cheese..
I agree with everyone here...don't stop taking your meds. Medications don't cause direct weight gain, but they can increase appetite, but apparently your med doesn't increase appetite.0 -
By the way you take 50 mcg levo daily not 50 mg … 1000 mcg in 1 mg so you'd be seriously overdosing ;-)0
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As I said earlier I'm a member of weight loss resources a UK based calorie counting website. I carry a small set of scales in my handbag so I don't have to guess that is how pedantic I am with my logging. I pay £10 a month for a more thorough UK based database for my foods. I think I agree when people say 1600 is too much for me. I will try 1400 a day. See what happens
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leahcollett, You must feel desperate. I have read that low levels of thyroid hormones can cause wight gain or loss. The body is complex and your medication should have been carefully monitored. . So you may need a different doctor but see a doctor immediately or asap.0
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I have to echo that STTM (Stop the Thyroid Madness) is some of the very best help out there for hashimoto's and hypothyroid (as well as some other issues). They also have a facebook group called FTPO (For Thyroid Patients Only). Getting those levels optimum - not just in range - but yes in range at their best for us - is the best place we can be when struggling with hashimoto's. I feel WAY better most often. Still have some ups and downs but much much better, and looking forward to getting even better.
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leahcollett1 wrote: »I've always been sedentary and never eaten exercise cals so it didn't effect me when I stopped exercising. I struggle for time now as I've started college I'm a mother of 2 and I work full time so as you can see I'm a bit busy.
So maybe rosnz I need to up my dosage?
You didnt eat your exercise calories before and lost weight. Could your deficit have been coming from those extra calorie burns you were earning? And you started gaining when you stopped earning them to create a deficit?
Im hypo as well. It is harder to lose weight and much easier to gain it. Water retention can also be extreme. I hope your doctor helps you figure it out because it can be very frustrating.0
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