I KNOW water is the best, buuuutttt...
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stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »CoffeeNCardio wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »I can't stand the taste of water (since I was a kid). With the exception of after I exercise and I put it on ice. Then I can't taste it--it's just cold and wet and perfect. So I drink a total of one cup of water per day as long as I worked out. Otherwise its diet soda, V8, and raw milk.
What is "raw" milk?
@CoffeeNCardio Straight from a grass-fed cow--not pasteurized or homogenized. Pasteurizing removes all the healthy enzymes and helpful bacteria. Homogenizing breaks the fat down into a less healthy form.
ETA: and the taste is just amazing.
And pasteurizing also reduces the risk of catching any sickness off of it a hundredfold.
This is absolutely true if you buy milk from feed lot dairy cows (ie milk from the supermarket). Raw milk from pastured cows is rigorously tested and perfectly safe, not to mention a whole lot healthier.
Apparently not if you look at the CDC statistics.
“Using government figures for foodborne illness for the entire population [...] you are about thirty-five thousand times more likely to get sick from other foods than you are from raw milk,”
http://www.foodrenegade.com/government-data-proves-raw-milk-safe/1 -
I drink a ton of water...but like you, it gets boring. I drink tea almost daily and sometimes have crystal lite. About once a week I have a diet dr pepper. I'm not afraid of the soda, but it does increase my acid reflux.0
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Do you have any sources for this belief? Since milk is mainly water, this is counterintuitive.shellyld2016 wrote: »Milk is never a good replacement as just drinking milk can dehydrate you.
The only reason I would avoid a lot of milk is that I prefer eating my calories instead of drinking them.
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Water, fruit teas, herbal teas plus I do take supplements so I mix it with water.0
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Beer.4
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I love, love, love the LaCroix brand of sparkling waters. Dasani also makes a few really good ones. They have saved me from being overly hungry nearly daily. 0
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I completely agree with La Croix...just wonderful. Also herbal teas both hot & iced. You can get some really fantastic tasting ones like hibiscus. Yum!0
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JulieSHelms wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »CoffeeNCardio wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »I can't stand the taste of water (since I was a kid). With the exception of after I exercise and I put it on ice. Then I can't taste it--it's just cold and wet and perfect. So I drink a total of one cup of water per day as long as I worked out. Otherwise its diet soda, V8, and raw milk.
What is "raw" milk?
@CoffeeNCardio Straight from a grass-fed cow--not pasteurized or homogenized. Pasteurizing removes all the healthy enzymes and helpful bacteria. Homogenizing breaks the fat down into a less healthy form.
ETA: and the taste is just amazing.
And pasteurizing also reduces the risk of catching any sickness off of it a hundredfold.
This is absolutely true if you buy milk from feed lot dairy cows (ie milk from the supermarket). Raw milk from pastured cows is rigorously tested and perfectly safe, not to mention a whole lot healthier.
Apparently not if you look at the CDC statistics.
“Using government figures for foodborne illness for the entire population [...] you are about thirty-five thousand times more likely to get sick from other foods than you are from raw milk,”
http://www.foodrenegade.com/government-data-proves-raw-milk-safe/
5% of food-related disease outbreaks where the food in question could be identified were linked to raw milk.
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/nonpasteurized-outbreaks-2012.html
Don't know where that Dr. Beals got his numbers from, but it sure isn't the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/features/rawmilk/
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-questions-and-answers.html
Only 1% of milk sold in the US is raw milk, but of all milk-related outbreaks over a time period, depending on the time frame up to 80% were from raw milk.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »CoffeeNCardio wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »I can't stand the taste of water (since I was a kid). With the exception of after I exercise and I put it on ice. Then I can't taste it--it's just cold and wet and perfect. So I drink a total of one cup of water per day as long as I worked out. Otherwise its diet soda, V8, and raw milk.
What is "raw" milk?
@CoffeeNCardio Straight from a grass-fed cow--not pasteurized or homogenized. Pasteurizing removes all the healthy enzymes and helpful bacteria. Homogenizing breaks the fat down into a less healthy form.
ETA: and the taste is just amazing.
And pasteurizing also reduces the risk of catching any sickness off of it a hundredfold.
This is absolutely true if you buy milk from feed lot dairy cows (ie milk from the supermarket). Raw milk from pastured cows is rigorously tested and perfectly safe, not to mention a whole lot healthier.
Apparently not if you look at the CDC statistics.
“Using government figures for foodborne illness for the entire population [...] you are about thirty-five thousand times more likely to get sick from other foods than you are from raw milk,”
http://www.foodrenegade.com/government-data-proves-raw-milk-safe/
5% of food-related disease outbreaks where the food in question could be identified were linked to raw milk.
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/nonpasteurized-outbreaks-2012.html
Don't know where that Dr. Beals got his numbers from, but it sure isn't the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/features/rawmilk/
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-questions-and-answers.html
Only 1% of milk sold in the US is raw milk, but of all milk-related outbreaks over a time period, depending on the time frame up to 80% were from raw milk.
@stevencloser All of your links are from the CDC, a government organization with a total crusade against raw milk for political reasons.
http://www.westonaprice.org/press/fda-and-cdc-bias-against-raw-milk/
They have a well-documented history of singling out raw milk and/or other organic products. Typically, when there is an outbreak, if they can find one person who drinks raw milk on the list, they assign raw milk as the culprit, eventhough the rest of the affected individuals didn't drink raw milk, the cows tested clean, and the milk itself had no sign of whatever bacteria in question.
At my local dairy, a customer got sick (along with many other non-milk drinking people) and the dairy was ordered to close and thousands of gallons of milk were ordered dumped. All local residents were warned against them. Before the milk was dumped, the health dept tested milk from every batch, plus they tested milk from the person's fridge that had gotten sick and a collection of other customers' milk who hadn't. Weeks later, no results had been released. My dairy took it to court. The government entity in this case was forced to admit that no milk tested had been tainted and they had no reason to think the campylobacter came from the dairy. But of course my dairy already knew this because all of their milk is tested before being sold in the first place. That was it, no apology, no big announcement exonerating them. Just bullying.
Did you read the report from the CDC where over 200,000 people were sickened and 18 died in a massive salmonella outbreak of pasteurized milk? No, I didn't either. You can only find that information from third-party sources. Here is a study (unrelated to raw milk) examining salmonella outbreaks from pasteurized milk where you can see a history of such outbreaks including the massive one mentioned here. (It's listed in a table as >150,000 affected). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323239/
In my state (Pennsylvania), raw milk testing (done on EVERY batch) is required to be 5x cleaner than pasteurized milk. So yeah, pasteurization kills most of the nasties, but there is a whole bunch more in it to start with that need to be killed--yummy.
Like anything, a person needs to do their own research and discover if it is an option right for themselves and their family.2 -
Awolturtle wrote: »shellyld2016 wrote: »Milk is never a good replacement as just drinking milk can dehydrate you. My son passed out a few times due to drinking only milk and green tea.
I've actually never heard of milk dehydrating a person before. Do you happen to know how that works, I'm curious.
Milk is actually more rehydrating than water0 -
I've been drinking Crystal Light for about 13 years. I drink 16 oz around 6 pm. It's nice as a treat and I like how you can switch from different flavors.0
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Not all soda is bad. I drink water and I also make my own soda from SodaStream so much less sugar and calories if u choose regular it's maybe only 45-50 calories and like maybe 13g sugar. But of cource u can buy the diet mixes too. Besides that I do drink teas from teavana. If u start drinking tea go for loose leaf tea and not the powered teabag tea.0
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JulieSHelms wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »CoffeeNCardio wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »I can't stand the taste of water (since I was a kid). With the exception of after I exercise and I put it on ice. Then I can't taste it--it's just cold and wet and perfect. So I drink a total of one cup of water per day as long as I worked out. Otherwise its diet soda, V8, and raw milk.
What is "raw" milk?
@CoffeeNCardio Straight from a grass-fed cow--not pasteurized or homogenized. Pasteurizing removes all the healthy enzymes and helpful bacteria. Homogenizing breaks the fat down into a less healthy form.
ETA: and the taste is just amazing.
And pasteurizing also reduces the risk of catching any sickness off of it a hundredfold.
This is absolutely true if you buy milk from feed lot dairy cows (ie milk from the supermarket). Raw milk from pastured cows is rigorously tested and perfectly safe, not to mention a whole lot healthier.
Apparently not if you look at the CDC statistics.
“Using government figures for foodborne illness for the entire population [...] you are about thirty-five thousand times more likely to get sick from other foods than you are from raw milk,”
http://www.foodrenegade.com/government-data-proves-raw-milk-safe/
5% of food-related disease outbreaks where the food in question could be identified were linked to raw milk.
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/nonpasteurized-outbreaks-2012.html
Don't know where that Dr. Beals got his numbers from, but it sure isn't the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/features/rawmilk/
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-questions-and-answers.html
Only 1% of milk sold in the US is raw milk, but of all milk-related outbreaks over a time period, depending on the time frame up to 80% were from raw milk.
@stevencloser All of your links are from the CDC, a government organization with a total crusade against raw milk for political reasons.
http://www.westonaprice.org/press/fda-and-cdc-bias-against-raw-milk/
They have a well-documented history of singling out raw milk and/or other organic products. Typically, when there is an outbreak, if they can find one person who drinks raw milk on the list, they assign raw milk as the culprit, eventhough the rest of the affected individuals didn't drink raw milk, the cows tested clean, and the milk itself had no sign of whatever bacteria in question.
At my local dairy, a customer got sick (along with many other non-milk drinking people) and the dairy was ordered to close and thousands of gallons of milk were ordered dumped. All local residents were warned against them. Before the milk was dumped, the health dept tested milk from every batch, plus they tested milk from the person's fridge that had gotten sick and a collection of other customers' milk who hadn't. Weeks later, no results had been released. My dairy took it to court. The government entity in this case was forced to admit that no milk tested had been tainted and they had no reason to think the campylobacter came from the dairy. But of course my dairy already knew this because all of their milk is tested before being sold in the first place. That was it, no apology, no big announcement exonerating them. Just bullying.
Did you read the report from the CDC where over 200,000 people were sickened and 18 died in a massive salmonella outbreak of pasteurized milk? No, I didn't either. You can only find that information from third-party sources. Here is a study (unrelated to raw milk) examining salmonella outbreaks from pasteurized milk where you can see a history of such outbreaks including the massive one mentioned here. (It's listed in a table as >150,000 affected). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323239/
In my state (Pennsylvania), raw milk testing (done on EVERY batch) is required to be 5x cleaner than pasteurized milk. So yeah, pasteurization kills most of the nasties, but there is a whole bunch more in it to start with that need to be killed--yummy.
Like anything, a person needs to do their own research and discover if it is an option right for themselves and their family.
Weird, because the study you link can be found on the CDC website.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/10/5/pdfs/03-0484.pdf
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Awolturtle wrote: »shellyld2016 wrote: »Milk is never a good replacement as just drinking milk can dehydrate you. My son passed out a few times due to drinking only milk and green tea.
I've actually never heard of milk dehydrating a person before. Do you happen to know how that works, I'm curious.
Milk is actually more rehydrating than water
All the research I've done agrees with you. It was the just the first time I've heard someone ever say milk is dehydrating so I wanted to know their thought process or the information they were referencing.0 -
La Croix for me - I like water but I also like to change it up a bit. I'm also a former diet coke junkie. I gave it up for New Years this year, and still occasionally have one, but I don't really miss it.0
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stevencloser wrote: »Apparently not if you look at the CDC statistics.
Here is the CDC site on unpasteurized milk:
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-index.html
Quote from the above site: "Outbreaks [of disease] linked to raw milk are more common in states where raw milk is legal". Centuries of scientific and medical research and progress, and people still want to drink unpasteurized milk. That's fine, but evangelizing others in a forum like this as JulieSHelms is doing is NOT fine.1 -
Here are a few articles with recipes for flavoring your own water:
http://www.theyummylife.com/Flavored_Water
http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/fruit-recipes/quick-easy-flavoured-water
http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/fruit-recipes/pomegranate-ginger-lime-flavoured-water0 -
stevencloser wrote: »That's fine, but evangelizing others in a forum like this as JulieSHelms is doing is NOT fine.
I was NOT evangelizing. Look at my original message--it was simply in my list of beverages I drink. After that, I simply answered questions and defended my choice. I'm done. But don't mischaracterize what I was doing.
It's interesting to note that expressing my side is considered evangelizing and the guy echoing your side is A-OK.1 -
JulieSHelms wrote: »I was NOT evangelizing. Look at my original message--it was simply in my list of beverages I drink. After that, I simply answered questions and defended my choice. I'm done. But don't mischaracterize what I was doing.
It's interesting to note that expressing my side is considered evangelizing and the guy echoing your side is A-OK.
Methinks you messed up the quotes in your post. Fixed it for you.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »That's fine, but evangelizing others in a forum like this as JulieSHelms is doing is NOT fine.
I was NOT evangelizing. Look at my original message--it was simply in my list of beverages I drink. After that, I simply answered questions and defended my choice. I'm done. But don't mischaracterize what I was doing.
It's interesting to note that expressing my side is considered evangelizing and the guy echoing your side is A-OK.
Methinks you messed up the quotes here.
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I can only tolerate pure water when I am dehydrated which is usually after a hard workout. Otherwise I use lemon, mint, cucumber etc. I was surprised if I let it sit and infuse how much I would enjoy it. I do mix it up with the 4c mixes I get from Walmart at times if I find I am craving something sweet it defuses the urge. My urine is so clear usually that I can't even tell I pee'd except I was there lol0
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snickerscharlie wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »I was NOT evangelizing. Look at my original message--it was simply in my list of beverages I drink. After that, I simply answered questions and defended my choice. I'm done. But don't mischaracterize what I was doing.
It's interesting to note that expressing my side is considered evangelizing and the guy echoing your side is A-OK.
Methinks you messed up the quotes in your post. Fixed it for you.
Fix mine, pretty please!!0 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »I was NOT evangelizing. Look at my original message--it was simply in my list of beverages I drink. After that, I simply answered questions and defended my choice. I'm done. But don't mischaracterize what I was doing.
It's interesting to note that expressing my side is considered evangelizing and the guy echoing your side is A-OK.
Methinks you messed up the quotes in your post. Fixed it for you.
It probably comes from dehydration brought on by drinking too much raw milk... 0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »JulieSHelms wrote: »I was NOT evangelizing. Look at my original message--it was simply in my list of beverages I drink. After that, I simply answered questions and defended my choice. I'm done. But don't mischaracterize what I was doing.
It's interesting to note that expressing my side is considered evangelizing and the guy echoing your side is A-OK.
Methinks you messed up the quotes in your post. Fixed it for you.
Fix mine, pretty please!!
Done!
queenliz99 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Methinks you messed up the quotes here.
Ditto0 -
Gin.0
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shellyld2016 wrote: »I personally feel there is no substitute for water. That being said, I love the flavor add ins. I just use them as a reward for meeting my water goals as a treat. Back when drinking water was a challenge I did use them more and just began mixing them weaker to get used to drinking more water.
Maybe some will have good results counting any liquid as water, but that never paid off for me. I always lose better sticking to the basics.
Milk is never a good replacement as just drinking milk can dehydrate you. My son passed out a few times due to drinking only milk and green tea.
Because adding a flavouring to water somehow makes it not water?
And milk being dehydrating? Whole milk is about 87% water. Pray tell what magic occurs so that this deadly concoction dehydrates people?
This sort of nonsense makes me want to dislocate my eyeballs.1 -
I have nothing against raw milk, but there is a lot of misinformation out there. Pasteurization does NOT remove the enzymes, which are proteins - it simply denatures (unfolds) the protein. The enzymes in your digestive tract do the exact same thing when you drink raw milk.1
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Maybe try replacing coke with lemon juice and perrier? I personally love drinking water and i never really liked soda but if you want to spice it up i'd recommend juices, a combination that i love is lemon and mint, i also really love pineapple juice, mango juice, orange juice... I also love drinking tea and it is actually a really good tool for weight loss especially green tea.0
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Outbreak of infections in Colorado linked to raw milk from yesterday.
denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/24/warnings-issued-after-people-get-sick-from-drinking-raw-milk/
And regarding the OP. I almost never drink plain water. Usually only when exercising does it not taste disgusting to me. Any other time, it's diet soda or water flavored with Mio or other liquid or powdered water flavorings.1
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