Two shakes and one meal a day?
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Hi lolliopopsnrainbows below is a condensed version of what I was referring to. I'm not a nutrionist or dietician though, I'm trying to keep away from calories myself. As i also mentioned I drink smoothies myself every once in a while. The smoothies I drank were only during the first three days of my 'detox/cleanse' and they were made up of simple and fresh ingredients i.e. kale, carrots, berries, coconut milk, etc. The plan was to cleanse me of any toxins built up and help weight loss. It worked a treat but not recommended as usual with 'detox/cleanses'....hence I'm on the myfitnesspal app now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3CyrhG6TX3gflJTNx29mtjp/are-smoothies-good-for-me
Are smoothies good for me?
Smoothies are often marketed as a healthy treat, but as Dr Saleyha Ahsan reveals, we should all be a bit cautious of having too much of them.
Fruits are stacked full of sugar, and smoothies concentrate the sugar from a lot of fruit into one single serving. Most of them contain more sugar than Coca Cola – and it makes no difference that that sugar is ‘natural’ or not ‘added’- the sugar and acid from smoothies still causes tooth decay, and the sugar has many health consequences for us – affecting our risk of Type 2 Diabetes and obesity.
Given what OP explained about the smoothies in question (mostly veg, not that much fruit, fat and protein also), this is clearly not relevant. (As a comparison of something not that different from what OP described, I had a smoothie this morning, it had 18 g of sugar, only 9 from fruit (none added--the rest from veg, plain yogurt, and even walnuts). Plus, my overall sugar consumption today was 31 g, so I think the smoothie fit in fine.)
The thing about sugar and health consequences isn't supported by anything I've seen. The WHO, for example, focuses on added sugar and explains it based on calories (and teeth, but that's silly if you have decent dental hygiene).http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/FAQs.aspx#juices
Q.Do juices and smoothies count towards my five aday ?
A: Unsweetened 100% fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies can only ever count as a maximum of one portion of your 5 A DAY.
For example, if you have two glasses of fruit juice and a smoothie in one day, that still only counts as one portion.
Your combined total of drinks from fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies should not be more than 150ml a day – which is a small glass.
For example, if you have 150ml of orange juice and 150ml smoothie in one day, you'll have exceeded the recommendation by 150ml.
When fruit is blended or juiced, it releases the sugars which increases the risk of tooth decay so it's best to drink fruit juice or smoothies at mealtimes
No good reason is given for this, and a smoothie is not the same as juice, which it's conflated with. I'd like some reasoning to treat them the same, one better than the tooth thing.
(I know it's a campaign in the UK and I'm all for people eating more vegetables (and fruit too), but I think the "5 a day" thing as gospel is kind of silly too -- I don't count servings but focus on getting a good amount of veg with every meal (fruit is a bonus, but I don't really worry about it and eat more in some seasons than others). Doing this I get well over 5 servings of veg most days, without thinking about it.)
That said, I really don't see why the veg in my smoothie wouldn't count as much as the veg I put in my omelet. I like getting both (over the course of a week), as well as the ways I eat them, as I like having different veg and both cooked and raw.2 -
rileysowner wrote: »Hi lolliopopsnrainbows below is a condensed version of what I was referring to. I'm not a nutrionist or dietician though, I'm trying to keep away from calories myself. As i also mentioned I drink smoothies myself every once in a while. The smoothies I drank were only during the first three days of my 'detox/cleanse' and they were made up of simple and fresh ingredients i.e. kale, carrots, berries, coconut milk, etc. The plan was to cleanse me of any toxins built up and help weight loss. It worked a treat but not recommended as usual with 'detox/cleanses'....hence I'm on the myfitnesspal app now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3CyrhG6TX3gflJTNx29mtjp/are-smoothies-good-for-me
Are smoothies good for me?
Smoothies are often marketed as a healthy treat, but as Dr Saleyha Ahsan reveals, we should all be a bit cautious of having too much of them.
Fruits are stacked full of sugar, and smoothies concentrate the sugar from a lot of fruit into one single serving. Most of them contain more sugar than Coca Cola – and it makes no difference that that sugar is ‘natural’ or not ‘added’- the sugar and acid from smoothies still causes tooth decay, and the sugar has many health consequences for us – affecting our risk of Type 2 Diabetes and obesity.
So despite the fact that smoothies contain plant compounds that are good for us, we should also be very aware of the amount of sugar that they contain as well and don’t think of them as entirely innocent.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/FAQs.aspx#juices
Q.Do juices and smoothies count towards my five aday ?
A: Unsweetened 100% fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies can only ever count as a maximum of one portion of your 5 A DAY.
For example, if you have two glasses of fruit juice and a smoothie in one day, that still only counts as one portion.
Your combined total of drinks from fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies should not be more than 150ml a day – which is a small glass.
For example, if you have 150ml of orange juice and 150ml smoothie in one day, you'll have exceeded the recommendation by 150ml.
When fruit is blended or juiced, it releases the sugars which increases the risk of tooth decay so it's best to drink fruit juice or smoothies at mealtimes
P.S. I am here trying my best to succeed in losing weight and would love to make some positive and supportive friendships, so please anybody friend me.
I have not gone to the link, but it strikes me that smooties are lumped together with juices. If one is talking commercial smooties then that is probably a good comparison since many of them do remove things from fruit to get the taste and texture they are looking for the please the consumer.
If, however, they are making claims like this for blended food when one takes a whole apple and blends it with other things, it is utter clap trap. It is still the whole fruit and is in essence pre-chewed by the blender. This does not change the fruit in any way except to break it up. That is true for the veggies that are added as well. I think what they are talking about is not what the OP is doing. Also, much of the sugar in commercial smooties is from sweeteners, but the OP doesn't add any sweetener. Instead the sweetness comes from the one, note ONE, piece of fruit they add.
if you look above it states When fruit is blended or juiced,so blended is mentioned0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Hi lolliopopsnrainbows below is a condensed version of what I was referring to. I'm not a nutrionist or dietician though, I'm trying to keep away from calories myself. As i also mentioned I drink smoothies myself every once in a while. The smoothies I drank were only during the first three days of my 'detox/cleanse' and they were made up of simple and fresh ingredients i.e. kale, carrots, berries, coconut milk, etc. The plan was to cleanse me of any toxins built up and help weight loss. It worked a treat but not recommended as usual with 'detox/cleanses'....hence I'm on the myfitnesspal app now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3CyrhG6TX3gflJTNx29mtjp/are-smoothies-good-for-me
Are smoothies good for me?
Smoothies are often marketed as a healthy treat, but as Dr Saleyha Ahsan reveals, we should all be a bit cautious of having too much of them.
Fruits are stacked full of sugar, and smoothies concentrate the sugar from a lot of fruit into one single serving. Most of them contain more sugar than Coca Cola – and it makes no difference that that sugar is ‘natural’ or not ‘added’- the sugar and acid from smoothies still causes tooth decay, and the sugar has many health consequences for us – affecting our risk of Type 2 Diabetes and obesity.
So despite the fact that smoothies contain plant compounds that are good for us, we should also be very aware of the amount of sugar that they contain as well and don’t think of them as entirely innocent.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/FAQs.aspx#juices
Q.Do juices and smoothies count towards my five aday ?
A: Unsweetened 100% fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies can only ever count as a maximum of one portion of your 5 A DAY.
For example, if you have two glasses of fruit juice and a smoothie in one day, that still only counts as one portion.
Your combined total of drinks from fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies should not be more than 150ml a day – which is a small glass.
For example, if you have 150ml of orange juice and 150ml smoothie in one day, you'll have exceeded the recommendation by 150ml.
When fruit is blended or juiced, it releases the sugars which increases the risk of tooth decay so it's best to drink fruit juice or smoothies at mealtimes
P.S. I am here trying my best to succeed in losing weight and would love to make some positive and supportive friendships, so please anybody friend me.
I have not gone to the link, but it strikes me that smooties are lumped together with juices. If one is talking commercial smooties then that is probably a good comparison since many of them do remove things from fruit to get the taste and texture they are looking for the please the consumer.
If, however, they are making claims like this for blended food when one takes a whole apple and blends it with other things, it is utter clap trap. It is still the whole fruit and is in essence pre-chewed by the blender. This does not change the fruit in any way except to break it up. That is true for the veggies that are added as well. I think what they are talking about is not what the OP is doing. Also, much of the sugar in commercial smooties is from sweeteners, but the OP doesn't add any sweetener. Instead the sweetness comes from the one, note ONE, piece of fruit they add.
if you look above it states When fruit is blended or juiced,so blended is mentioned
So utter clap trap it is.3 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Hi lolliopopsnrainbows below is a condensed version of what I was referring to. I'm not a nutrionist or dietician though, I'm trying to keep away from calories myself. As i also mentioned I drink smoothies myself every once in a while. The smoothies I drank were only during the first three days of my 'detox/cleanse' and they were made up of simple and fresh ingredients i.e. kale, carrots, berries, coconut milk, etc. The plan was to cleanse me of any toxins built up and help weight loss. It worked a treat but not recommended as usual with 'detox/cleanses'....hence I'm on the myfitnesspal app now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3CyrhG6TX3gflJTNx29mtjp/are-smoothies-good-for-me
Are smoothies good for me?
Smoothies are often marketed as a healthy treat, but as Dr Saleyha Ahsan reveals, we should all be a bit cautious of having too much of them.
Fruits are stacked full of sugar, and smoothies concentrate the sugar from a lot of fruit into one single serving. Most of them contain more sugar than Coca Cola – and it makes no difference that that sugar is ‘natural’ or not ‘added’- the sugar and acid from smoothies still causes tooth decay, and the sugar has many health consequences for us – affecting our risk of Type 2 Diabetes and obesity.
So despite the fact that smoothies contain plant compounds that are good for us, we should also be very aware of the amount of sugar that they contain as well and don’t think of them as entirely innocent.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/FAQs.aspx#juices
Q.Do juices and smoothies count towards my five aday ?
A: Unsweetened 100% fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies can only ever count as a maximum of one portion of your 5 A DAY.
For example, if you have two glasses of fruit juice and a smoothie in one day, that still only counts as one portion.
Your combined total of drinks from fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies should not be more than 150ml a day – which is a small glass.
For example, if you have 150ml of orange juice and 150ml smoothie in one day, you'll have exceeded the recommendation by 150ml.
When fruit is blended or juiced, it releases the sugars which increases the risk of tooth decay so it's best to drink fruit juice or smoothies at mealtimes
P.S. I am here trying my best to succeed in losing weight and would love to make some positive and supportive friendships, so please anybody friend me.
I have not gone to the link, but it strikes me that smooties are lumped together with juices. If one is talking commercial smooties then that is probably a good comparison since many of them do remove things from fruit to get the taste and texture they are looking for the please the consumer.
If, however, they are making claims like this for blended food when one takes a whole apple and blends it with other things, it is utter clap trap. It is still the whole fruit and is in essence pre-chewed by the blender. This does not change the fruit in any way except to break it up. That is true for the veggies that are added as well. I think what they are talking about is not what the OP is doing. Also, much of the sugar in commercial smooties is from sweeteners, but the OP doesn't add any sweetener. Instead the sweetness comes from the one, note ONE, piece of fruit they add.
if you look above it states When fruit is blended or juiced,so blended is mentioned
No reasoning is given, though, other than the tooth thing.
I think the 5 a day campaign in the UK isn't just about getting in nutrients (as there are clearly no fewer nutrients in blended fruits and veg than whole ones), but about satiety and avoiding overeating, and that's why there's a bias against smoothies. I used to share the view that drinking would lead to less satiety, but haven't found that's the case when I have smoothies (a relatively recent thing for me as part of my breakfast rotation). From what OP said, also not the case for her/him, and I think something that should be judged individually.
Similarly, while it's often the case that a smoothie is high fruit and sugar (and this seems to be assumed in the things quoted), that's also not the case with OP's shakes, and I find it not good advocacy for the value of fruits and veg that that is just assumed leading to (likely) incorrect assumptions like the one stated here, that they aren't as nutritious or some such.
Thomas Campbell (also a problematic source, IMO) gave a similar POV, but explained it better, and I think so long as OP is feeling content/satisfied the recipes identified shouldn't fit into the reasons for the concerns: http://nutritionstudies.org/are-smoothies-good-or-bad/
(I think rather than picking on smoothies as if they were all the same it would be more sensible not to treat fruits and veg as if they were identical for the purposes of the 5 a day thing.)
I don't mean this to sound as if I'm arguing against you -- it's the quoted source, which I think is somewhat misleading and confusing to people.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Hi lolliopopsnrainbows below is a condensed version of what I was referring to. I'm not a nutrionist or dietician though, I'm trying to keep away from calories myself. As i also mentioned I drink smoothies myself every once in a while. The smoothies I drank were only during the first three days of my 'detox/cleanse' and they were made up of simple and fresh ingredients i.e. kale, carrots, berries, coconut milk, etc. The plan was to cleanse me of any toxins built up and help weight loss. It worked a treat but not recommended as usual with 'detox/cleanses'....hence I'm on the myfitnesspal app now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3CyrhG6TX3gflJTNx29mtjp/are-smoothies-good-for-me
Are smoothies good for me?
Smoothies are often marketed as a healthy treat, but as Dr Saleyha Ahsan reveals, we should all be a bit cautious of having too much of them.
Fruits are stacked full of sugar, and smoothies concentrate the sugar from a lot of fruit into one single serving. Most of them contain more sugar than Coca Cola – and it makes no difference that that sugar is ‘natural’ or not ‘added’- the sugar and acid from smoothies still causes tooth decay, and the sugar has many health consequences for us – affecting our risk of Type 2 Diabetes and obesity.
So despite the fact that smoothies contain plant compounds that are good for us, we should also be very aware of the amount of sugar that they contain as well and don’t think of them as entirely innocent.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/FAQs.aspx#juices
Q.Do juices and smoothies count towards my five aday ?
A: Unsweetened 100% fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies can only ever count as a maximum of one portion of your 5 A DAY.
For example, if you have two glasses of fruit juice and a smoothie in one day, that still only counts as one portion.
Your combined total of drinks from fruit juice, vegetable juice and smoothies should not be more than 150ml a day – which is a small glass.
For example, if you have 150ml of orange juice and 150ml smoothie in one day, you'll have exceeded the recommendation by 150ml.
When fruit is blended or juiced, it releases the sugars which increases the risk of tooth decay so it's best to drink fruit juice or smoothies at mealtimes
P.S. I am here trying my best to succeed in losing weight and would love to make some positive and supportive friendships, so please anybody friend me.
I have not gone to the link, but it strikes me that smooties are lumped together with juices. If one is talking commercial smooties then that is probably a good comparison since many of them do remove things from fruit to get the taste and texture they are looking for the please the consumer.
If, however, they are making claims like this for blended food when one takes a whole apple and blends it with other things, it is utter clap trap. It is still the whole fruit and is in essence pre-chewed by the blender. This does not change the fruit in any way except to break it up. That is true for the veggies that are added as well. I think what they are talking about is not what the OP is doing. Also, much of the sugar in commercial smooties is from sweeteners, but the OP doesn't add any sweetener. Instead the sweetness comes from the one, note ONE, piece of fruit they add.
if you look above it states When fruit is blended or juiced,so blended is mentioned
No reasoning is given, though, other than the tooth thing.
I think the 5 a day campaign in the UK isn't just about getting in nutrients (as there are clearly no fewer nutrients in blended fruits and veg than whole ones), but about satiety and avoiding overeating, and that's why there's a bias against smoothies. I used to share the view that drinking would lead to less satiety, but haven't found that's the case when I have smoothies (a relatively recent thing for me as part of my breakfast rotation). From what OP said, also not the case for her/him, and I think something that should be judged individually.
Similarly, while it's often the case that a smoothie is high fruit and sugar (and this seems to be assumed in the things quoted), that's also not the case with OP's shakes, and I find it not good advocacy for the value of fruits and veg that that is just assumed leading to (likely) incorrect assumptions like the one stated here, that they aren't as nutritious or some such.
Thomas Campbell (also a problematic source, IMO) gave a similar POV, but explained it better, and I think so long as OP is feeling content/satisfied the recipes identified shouldn't fit into the reasons for the concerns: http://nutritionstudies.org/are-smoothies-good-or-bad/
(I think rather than picking on smoothies as if they were all the same it would be more sensible not to treat fruits and veg as if they were identical for the purposes of the 5 a day thing.)
I don't mean this to sound as if I'm arguing against you -- it's the quoted source, which I think is somewhat misleading and confusing to people.
yeah,if you are making the smoothies yourself then I dont see how they cannot be healthy. I agree that if the OP wants to make their own shakes and it keeps them satiated then so be it. sometimes I will make a protein smoothie and drink that when I dont want to eat foods that day. I dont buy many smoothies anymore because of the added sugars and they cost more as well.but for a study to say blended food is not as nutritious or gives you less servings is a load of crap.what should matter is getting your fruits and veggies in,however you do that is your choice0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »lolliopopsnrainbows wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm making the shakes myself, using hemp powder (protein), coconut oil (fat + MCTs), whatever veggies I have to hand (beetroot, pepper, cucumber etc) and one item of fruit (banana, apple or mango usually).
Curious. How many calories does this equal?
Hi quiksylver,
In total my shakes are around 300 - 400 calories each. MFP has me on 1300 calories a day (I'm female and not very tall!), so that leave me with 500 - 700 calories for dinner.1 -
Thanks everyone for your responses, I wasn't expecting this to be such a contraversial subject!
As a few people have suggested, I do indeed only put one piece of fruit (and I make both my shakes at once, so actually I only have half a piece of fruit in each shake). The fruit is simply to add a touch of sweetness, but the main intention of the shakes was to increase my veggie intake. I then thought that if I added protein and fat, it could be a complete meal.
This way of eating does really satisfy me, and stops me from getting hungry/hangry and eating all the junk food! I can see why you guys might think I'm setting myself up for a binge, but actually I think this way of eating is helping decrease my food guilt - I'm now "allowing" myself to eat whatever I want for dinner, so long as it includes some vegetables and fits my calorie allowance.
I do agree however, that I need to figure out some "grab and go" solid food options for when I don't have time to make the shakes.
I drink my shakes from a shake bottle, and so it doesn't tend to wash around my teeth in quite the same way that liquid from a cup does, so hopefully that (along with the fact that it is mostly vegetables rather than fruit) will keep my teeth healthy and cavity free.
Thanks again guys, you rock!1 -
Hate to quote myself... but...
Do you have any friends, family, or colleagues which are constantly trying to get you to buy shakes, pills, or wraps? Maybe they want you to attend a “party” where you’ll receive a harsh sales pitch. Either way, a good rule of thumb is that if the company’s income is primarily from the recruitment of new sales distributors or marketing and not the products and subsequent research… It’s a scam!
But wait, what about the people who’ve had results with shakes, pills, or wraps? We want to be very clear that the mechanism behind all fat loss has to do with your body being in a negative energy balance. This means that no matter the product you must consume less calories throughout the day than you’re burning with your BMR and Daily Activity.
Shakes: By replacing a normal meal (300-500 calories) with a shake (90 calories) you are creating a calorie deficit. Note: this can be done without using a shake… Unfortunately, by replacing meals with shakes and not learning the basics of nutrition (calories, macro and micronutrients) you are setting yourself up for failure. By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss. Because these “diet” plans are temporary, don’t teach you the skills you need to succeed, are unnecessary for weight loss, and cost a fortune we say: Don’t Even Think About It! If you can’t maintain your shake plan for life you will not succeed long-term.0 -
Whilst I agree with what you say Rainbow - it doesnt really apply to OP who is not buying any shakes but is simply making her own in a blender at home.
No scam in doing that - and no reason OP cannot do it long term if it suits her - or change and do something different later if it doesnt.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »Whilst I agree with what you say Rainbow - it doesnt really apply to OP who is not buying any shakes but is simply making her own in a blender at home.
No scam in doing that - and no reason OP cannot do it long term if it suits her - or change and do something different later if it doesnt.
The issue with this, regardless, is that in order for this to work... OP must maintain this long term.
It's easy to supplement a meal with a shake/smoothie. What happens when you have to eat out? What happens when you have to eat real food for that meal? What happens when it's cold and winter outside and you want a hot meal?
Learning to control your overall intake in a way that is most sustainable is incredibly important. If OP can maintain this forever, then so be it! More power to OP! But in my experience this is generally not the case.0 -
It sounds like she's thinking about those things, though, and doing this because it's an easier way for her (currently) to fit in meals vs. skipping them and then binging later.3
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Rainbow No, I dont think OP has to do it long term - she can do if for as long as it suits her and then change to other food/drink items if they suit her better at another time.
She already said she has days where she consumes no shakes now. And she eats 'real food' for at least one meal a day on the shakes days too.
So I assume when she eats out, that is one of those days - or at least the eat out meal is
and I assume she will eat somewhat differently in winter, just like all of us do - I eat far more salads in summer, for example - but I dont think Oh dear, what will I do in winter, I havent learnt to eat other foods.
Perhaps OP will have hot vegetable soup in winter instead of cold shakes (or perhaps not) - other than the half piece of fruit, only real difference between a vegetable shake and vegetable soup is the temperature.
I think you are seeing problems where there aren't any.4 -
paperpudding wrote: »Rainbow No, I dont think OP has to do it long term - she can do if for as long as it suits her and then change to other food/drink items if they suit her better at another time.
She already said she has days where she consumes no shakes now. And she eats 'real food' for at least one meal a day on the shakes days too.
So I assume when she eats out, that is one of those days - or at least the eat out meal is
and I assume she will eat somewhat differently in winter, just like all of us do - I eat far more salads in summer, for example - but I dont think Oh dear, what will I do in winter, I havent learnt to eat other foods.
Perhaps OP will have hot vegetable soup in winter instead of cold shakes (or perhaps not) - other than the half piece of fruit, only real difference between a vegetable shake and vegetable soup is the temperature.
I think you are seeing problems where there aren't any.
The OP asked for advice based on her current plan, i advised why i don't think that this is a good idea and the potential downsides.
I am not seeing problems, I am saying that from experience this generally does not lead to long-term maintenance of weight loss. If she can and has learned the skills she needs regardless, then more power to her. As stated, this is generally where people fail.
I provided my experience and advice based on her post.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Hate to quote myself... but...
Do you have any friends, family, or colleagues which are constantly trying to get you to buy shakes, pills, or wraps? Maybe they want you to attend a “party” where you’ll receive a harsh sales pitch. Either way, a good rule of thumb is that if the company’s income is primarily from the recruitment of new sales distributors or marketing and not the products and subsequent research… It’s a scam!
But wait, what about the people who’ve had results with shakes, pills, or wraps? We want to be very clear that the mechanism behind all fat loss has to do with your body being in a negative energy balance. This means that no matter the product you must consume less calories throughout the day than you’re burning with your BMR and Daily Activity.
Shakes: By replacing a normal meal (300-500 calories) with a shake (90 calories) you are creating a calorie deficit. Note: this can be done without using a shake… Unfortunately, by replacing meals with shakes and not learning the basics of nutrition (calories, macro and micronutrients) you are setting yourself up for failure. By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss. Because these “diet” plans are temporary, don’t teach you the skills you need to succeed, are unnecessary for weight loss, and cost a fortune we say: Don’t Even Think About It! If you can’t maintain your shake plan for life you will not succeed long-term.
But the OP is not replacing a 300-500 calorie meal with a 90 calorie shake, they are eating a 300ish calorie shake. Not that same thing at all.
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rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Hate to quote myself... but...
Do you have any friends, family, or colleagues which are constantly trying to get you to buy shakes, pills, or wraps? Maybe they want you to attend a “party” where you’ll receive a harsh sales pitch. Either way, a good rule of thumb is that if the company’s income is primarily from the recruitment of new sales distributors or marketing and not the products and subsequent research… It’s a scam!
But wait, what about the people who’ve had results with shakes, pills, or wraps? We want to be very clear that the mechanism behind all fat loss has to do with your body being in a negative energy balance. This means that no matter the product you must consume less calories throughout the day than you’re burning with your BMR and Daily Activity.
Shakes: By replacing a normal meal (300-500 calories) with a shake (90 calories) you are creating a calorie deficit. Note: this can be done without using a shake… Unfortunately, by replacing meals with shakes and not learning the basics of nutrition (calories, macro and micronutrients) you are setting yourself up for failure. By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss. Because these “diet” plans are temporary, don’t teach you the skills you need to succeed, are unnecessary for weight loss, and cost a fortune we say: Don’t Even Think About It! If you can’t maintain your shake plan for life you will not succeed long-term.
But the OP is not replacing a 300-500 calorie meal with a 90 calorie shake, they are eating a 300ish calorie shake. Not that same thing at all.
the concept is the same, for this reason only:
By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss.
Unless the OP can maintain this style of eating forever (including switching out these shakes for the same calorie meals). In which case, more power to her. In my experience (and why i bothered to say this) is that most people cannot.0 -
As long as you are reaching your required daily calorie intake and you feel satisfied, you should be fine. Good job incorporating more veggies into your diet. The extra fiber definitely helps with hunger. However, be sure to drink lots of water or you may end up constipated.0
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rainbowbow wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Hate to quote myself... but...
Do you have any friends, family, or colleagues which are constantly trying to get you to buy shakes, pills, or wraps? Maybe they want you to attend a “party” where you’ll receive a harsh sales pitch. Either way, a good rule of thumb is that if the company’s income is primarily from the recruitment of new sales distributors or marketing and not the products and subsequent research… It’s a scam!
But wait, what about the people who’ve had results with shakes, pills, or wraps? We want to be very clear that the mechanism behind all fat loss has to do with your body being in a negative energy balance. This means that no matter the product you must consume less calories throughout the day than you’re burning with your BMR and Daily Activity.
Shakes: By replacing a normal meal (300-500 calories) with a shake (90 calories) you are creating a calorie deficit. Note: this can be done without using a shake… Unfortunately, by replacing meals with shakes and not learning the basics of nutrition (calories, macro and micronutrients) you are setting yourself up for failure. By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss. Because these “diet” plans are temporary, don’t teach you the skills you need to succeed, are unnecessary for weight loss, and cost a fortune we say: Don’t Even Think About It! If you can’t maintain your shake plan for life you will not succeed long-term.
But the OP is not replacing a 300-500 calorie meal with a 90 calorie shake, they are eating a 300ish calorie shake. Not that same thing at all.
the concept is the same, for this reason only:
By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss.
Unless the OP can maintain this style of eating forever (including switching out these shakes for the same calorie meals). In which case, more power to her. In my experience (and why i bothered to say this) is that most people cannot.
I usually have a home had protein shake for breakfast, and frankly, I enjoy it a great deal. It is in that 300ish calorie range and keeps me feeling full until mid-afternoon. I having is all seasons, so that is not an issue. It works for me, and yes, there are days I feel like having something else, and that is not an issue either. However, the shake is far more convenient for me. I could go on eating like that just fine for years. I don't see any of the issues you mention being voiced by the OP. The question was whether this can be healthy, and the answer is yes if the OP is getting all their nutritional needs (sufficient calories, vitamins, minerals, and the like). There is nothing inherently unhealthy about this approach to eating. If it works for the OP, all power to them.
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rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Hate to quote myself... but...
Do you have any friends, family, or colleagues which are constantly trying to get you to buy shakes, pills, or wraps? Maybe they want you to attend a “party” where you’ll receive a harsh sales pitch. Either way, a good rule of thumb is that if the company’s income is primarily from the recruitment of new sales distributors or marketing and not the products and subsequent research… It’s a scam!
But wait, what about the people who’ve had results with shakes, pills, or wraps? We want to be very clear that the mechanism behind all fat loss has to do with your body being in a negative energy balance. This means that no matter the product you must consume less calories throughout the day than you’re burning with your BMR and Daily Activity.
Shakes: By replacing a normal meal (300-500 calories) with a shake (90 calories) you are creating a calorie deficit. Note: this can be done without using a shake… Unfortunately, by replacing meals with shakes and not learning the basics of nutrition (calories, macro and micronutrients) you are setting yourself up for failure. By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss. Because these “diet” plans are temporary, don’t teach you the skills you need to succeed, are unnecessary for weight loss, and cost a fortune we say: Don’t Even Think About It! If you can’t maintain your shake plan for life you will not succeed long-term.
But the OP is not replacing a 300-500 calorie meal with a 90 calorie shake, they are eating a 300ish calorie shake. Not that same thing at all.
the concept is the same, for this reason only:
By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss.
Unless the OP can maintain this style of eating forever (including switching out these shakes for the same calorie meals). In which case, more power to her. In my experience (and why i bothered to say this) is that most people cannot.
I usually have a home had protein shake for breakfast, and frankly, I enjoy it a great deal. It is in that 300ish calorie range and keeps me feeling full until mid-afternoon. I having is all seasons, so that is not an issue. It works for me, and yes, there are days I feel like having something else, and that is not an issue either. However, the shake is far more convenient for me. I could go on eating like that just fine for years. I don't see any of the issues you mention being voiced by the OP. The question was whether this can be healthy, and the answer is yes if the OP is getting all their nutritional needs (sufficient calories, vitamins, minerals, and the like). There is nothing inherently unhealthy about this approach to eating. If it works for the OP, all power to them.
Certainly. I agree with this. I just thought it was a good thing to mention, considering i've seen many many people rebound trying to follow that "replace a meal with a shake" method.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Hate to quote myself... but...
Do you have any friends, family, or colleagues which are constantly trying to get you to buy shakes, pills, or wraps? Maybe they want you to attend a “party” where you’ll receive a harsh sales pitch. Either way, a good rule of thumb is that if the company’s income is primarily from the recruitment of new sales distributors or marketing and not the products and subsequent research… It’s a scam!
But wait, what about the people who’ve had results with shakes, pills, or wraps? We want to be very clear that the mechanism behind all fat loss has to do with your body being in a negative energy balance. This means that no matter the product you must consume less calories throughout the day than you’re burning with your BMR and Daily Activity.
Shakes: By replacing a normal meal (300-500 calories) with a shake (90 calories) you are creating a calorie deficit. Note: this can be done without using a shake… Unfortunately, by replacing meals with shakes and not learning the basics of nutrition (calories, macro and micronutrients) you are setting yourself up for failure. By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss. Because these “diet” plans are temporary, don’t teach you the skills you need to succeed, are unnecessary for weight loss, and cost a fortune we say: Don’t Even Think About It! If you can’t maintain your shake plan for life you will not succeed long-term.
But the OP is not replacing a 300-500 calorie meal with a 90 calorie shake, they are eating a 300ish calorie shake. Not that same thing at all.
the concept is the same, for this reason only:
By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss.
Unless the OP can maintain this style of eating forever (including switching out these shakes for the same calorie meals). In which case, more power to her. In my experience (and why i bothered to say this) is that most people cannot.
I usually have a home had protein shake for breakfast, and frankly, I enjoy it a great deal. It is in that 300ish calorie range and keeps me feeling full until mid-afternoon. I having is all seasons, so that is not an issue. It works for me, and yes, there are days I feel like having something else, and that is not an issue either. However, the shake is far more convenient for me. I could go on eating like that just fine for years. I don't see any of the issues you mention being voiced by the OP. The question was whether this can be healthy, and the answer is yes if the OP is getting all their nutritional needs (sufficient calories, vitamins, minerals, and the like). There is nothing inherently unhealthy about this approach to eating. If it works for the OP, all power to them.
Certainly. I agree with this. I just thought it was a good thing to mention, considering i've seen many many people rebound trying to follow that "replace a meal with a shake" method.
An I would agree in terms of say a Slimfast shake. However, in many ways that would be comparing apples with oranges.1 -
rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Hate to quote myself... but...
Do you have any friends, family, or colleagues which are constantly trying to get you to buy shakes, pills, or wraps? Maybe they want you to attend a “party” where you’ll receive a harsh sales pitch. Either way, a good rule of thumb is that if the company’s income is primarily from the recruitment of new sales distributors or marketing and not the products and subsequent research… It’s a scam!
But wait, what about the people who’ve had results with shakes, pills, or wraps? We want to be very clear that the mechanism behind all fat loss has to do with your body being in a negative energy balance. This means that no matter the product you must consume less calories throughout the day than you’re burning with your BMR and Daily Activity.
Shakes: By replacing a normal meal (300-500 calories) with a shake (90 calories) you are creating a calorie deficit. Note: this can be done without using a shake… Unfortunately, by replacing meals with shakes and not learning the basics of nutrition (calories, macro and micronutrients) you are setting yourself up for failure. By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss. Because these “diet” plans are temporary, don’t teach you the skills you need to succeed, are unnecessary for weight loss, and cost a fortune we say: Don’t Even Think About It! If you can’t maintain your shake plan for life you will not succeed long-term.
But the OP is not replacing a 300-500 calorie meal with a 90 calorie shake, they are eating a 300ish calorie shake. Not that same thing at all.
the concept is the same, for this reason only:
By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss.
Unless the OP can maintain this style of eating forever (including switching out these shakes for the same calorie meals). In which case, more power to her. In my experience (and why i bothered to say this) is that most people cannot.
I usually have a home had protein shake for breakfast, and frankly, I enjoy it a great deal. It is in that 300ish calorie range and keeps me feeling full until mid-afternoon. I having is all seasons, so that is not an issue. It works for me, and yes, there are days I feel like having something else, and that is not an issue either. However, the shake is far more convenient for me. I could go on eating like that just fine for years. I don't see any of the issues you mention being voiced by the OP. The question was whether this can be healthy, and the answer is yes if the OP is getting all their nutritional needs (sufficient calories, vitamins, minerals, and the like). There is nothing inherently unhealthy about this approach to eating. If it works for the OP, all power to them.
Certainly. I agree with this. I just thought it was a good thing to mention, considering i've seen many many people rebound trying to follow that "replace a meal with a shake" method.
An I would agree in terms of say a Slimfast shake. However, in many ways that would be comparing apples with oranges.
I wrote that initial section in response to shakeology, bodybyvi, herbalife, and a few others after numerous people kept trying to sell it to me. Some chick i used to work with lost 80 pounds working with a personal trainer and using MFP, joined herbalife's "team" like a month before she reached her goal weight and used her before and after photos to boost her herbalife sales.
Within 3 years she had gained back her weight completely.
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rainbowbow wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Hate to quote myself... but...
Do you have any friends, family, or colleagues which are constantly trying to get you to buy shakes, pills, or wraps? Maybe they want you to attend a “party” where you’ll receive a harsh sales pitch. Either way, a good rule of thumb is that if the company’s income is primarily from the recruitment of new sales distributors or marketing and not the products and subsequent research… It’s a scam!
But wait, what about the people who’ve had results with shakes, pills, or wraps? We want to be very clear that the mechanism behind all fat loss has to do with your body being in a negative energy balance. This means that no matter the product you must consume less calories throughout the day than you’re burning with your BMR and Daily Activity.
Shakes: By replacing a normal meal (300-500 calories) with a shake (90 calories) you are creating a calorie deficit. Note: this can be done without using a shake… Unfortunately, by replacing meals with shakes and not learning the basics of nutrition (calories, macro and micronutrients) you are setting yourself up for failure. By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss. Because these “diet” plans are temporary, don’t teach you the skills you need to succeed, are unnecessary for weight loss, and cost a fortune we say: Don’t Even Think About It! If you can’t maintain your shake plan for life you will not succeed long-term.
But the OP is not replacing a 300-500 calorie meal with a 90 calorie shake, they are eating a 300ish calorie shake. Not that same thing at all.
the concept is the same, for this reason only:
By not learning to control your overall calorie intake through food which you enjoy and can actually maintain for life, you are dooming yourself to re-gain any weight loss.
Unless the OP can maintain this style of eating forever (including switching out these shakes for the same calorie meals). In which case, more power to her. In my experience (and why i bothered to say this) is that most people cannot.
I usually have a home had protein shake for breakfast, and frankly, I enjoy it a great deal. It is in that 300ish calorie range and keeps me feeling full until mid-afternoon. I having is all seasons, so that is not an issue. It works for me, and yes, there are days I feel like having something else, and that is not an issue either. However, the shake is far more convenient for me. I could go on eating like that just fine for years. I don't see any of the issues you mention being voiced by the OP. The question was whether this can be healthy, and the answer is yes if the OP is getting all their nutritional needs (sufficient calories, vitamins, minerals, and the like). There is nothing inherently unhealthy about this approach to eating. If it works for the OP, all power to them.
Certainly. I agree with this. I just thought it was a good thing to mention, considering i've seen many many people rebound trying to follow that "replace a meal with a shake" method.
An I would agree in terms of say a Slimfast shake. However, in many ways that would be comparing apples with oranges.
I wrote that initial section in response to shakeology, bodybyvi, herbalife, and a few others after numerous people kept trying to sell it to me. Some chick i used to work with lost 80 pounds working with a personal trainer and using MFP, joined herbalife's "team" like a month before she reached her goal weight and used her before and after photos to boost her herbalife sales.
Within 3 years she had gained back her weight completely.
well if she gained her weight back its because she either stopped eating in a deficit or stopped being as active or a combo of those things.she probably thought the herbalife itself would help her keep the weight off.something caused her to gain it back,some also think that once they lose the weight they can stop doing what they did to lose it and eat "healthy" and not gain it back. it doesnt work that way.Thats what I have seen from people who buy into the MLM and gimmick issues0 -
Hi rainbowbow and Rileysowner,
Thanks for your responses. I'm definitely not using my home made "shakes" as a means of drastically cutting calories by having only 90cals per meal. Rather I'm using them as a convenient way of getting my veggies whilst hitting my macros. I often have days during the week (and almost always at the weekends) when I don't have any shakes at all, or just one in a day. I'm certainly not eating like this as some sort of disordered eating but as a convenient, tasty and affordable way of getting the food I need in my body without getting hungry and resorting to junk food to keep me going. If I cannot have my shakes then I will eat other foods instead. This is more about convenience than anything else, and a bonus has been that it works so well for curbing my sugar cravings!
I just wanted to check with you more knowledgable people that this is not something that is viewed in any way as being unhealthy or bad for me. Honestly, it's been a great discovery for me and I can see myself eating this way (particularly for breakfasts) for a long time to come.0 -
Btw If anyone would be so kind to explain to me what shakeology means that'll great. I'm clueless as to what that means.0
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Thanks. Well that's a let down.0 -
I have been using two protein shakes (CalSvelte Natural) for breakfast and lunch. I supplement with a little fruit or carrots or yogurt and have a small healthy snack then dinner with the family. I am going on 45 days or so of this and it is really easy to manage. In fact it is keeping me from binging because I don't wait all day then eat junk food when I am starving. I am getting my macros with minor adjustments and the weight is coming off at a steady clip. If I'm traveling for work or eating out for a meeting I bring my shake and order a salad or fruit or a slice of bacon if I want it.
Honestly this feels like a very sustainable lifestyle change and even when I reach my goal weight (ages from now) I will probably keep having a shake for breakfast because it is easy, yummy and makes sure I get some fuel.
If it's working for you and you are feeling healthy keep it up.0 -
mandalunia wrote: »I have been using two protein shakes (CalSvelte Natural) for breakfast and lunch. I supplement with a little fruit or carrots or yogurt and have a small healthy snack then dinner with the family. I am going on 45 days or so of this and it is really easy to manage. In fact it is keeping me from binging because I don't wait all day then eat junk food when I am starving. I am getting my macros with minor adjustments and the weight is coming off at a steady clip. If I'm traveling for work or eating out for a meeting I bring my shake and order a salad or fruit or a slice of bacon if I want it.
Honestly this feels like a very sustainable lifestyle change and even when I reach my goal weight (ages from now) I will probably keep having a shake for breakfast because it is easy, yummy and makes sure I get some fuel.
That's so great to hear. Sounds like you've got exactly the same attitude and are having the same experience with this way of eating as me0 -
I think you are fine. I follow someone pretty inspirational on myfitnesspal who only eats one meal a day with no smoothies and he lost 100 pounds in a year. Im sure you will be fine. I just started myself and I lost 4 pounds this week. Good luck!0
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