High cholesterol, no plaque, low blood pressure, high blood sugar, metabolic syndrome
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »You're meeting with a chiropractor regarding diabetes, BP and CVD?Can you ask your doctor to refer you to a registered dietician?
Let me clarify, my chiro is someone who I've known for over 30 years, and is truthfully one of the most knowledgeable people I know when it comes to nutrition and sports medicine. He definitely knows more about my health than my PC doc, who told me to cut my fat and salt intake and take statins and sent me to an endocrinologist who offered no dietary advice whatsoever, just said I most likely have auto-immune diabetes. I just mentioned to my chiro what was going on with me, and he volunteered to look at my lab work and help me make some adjustments.
That is not an answer to this. If your chiropractor was ethical and knowledgeable he would refer you back to an actual specialist who is part of your medical team and has access to your medical reports and tests
You are accepting the word of a "friend" with no professional training in the areas that you have issues in over a consultant endocrinologist who is a trained and experienced professional?
A chiropractor is a neuromuscular specialist.
Please think long and carefully about your next action. You have a potentially life threatening and certainly life limiting potential diagnosis and you are putting your trust in a friend who is qualified in spinal manipulation
Edit to add: Also please be careful of internet trolls and people who would advise you to do specific things like take a teaspoon of salt. Also not qualified, also don't have access to your medical records and probably doing it for the laughs with no conscious thought that there is a human being behind your words who has people who love them too
Chiropractors and ND's have way more nutritional training then doctors do and in a lot of states they are able to order medical tests and read them as well. I think even less of "specialists." I had an endocrinologist tell me that the MRI showing my damaged pituitary didn't matter. Really? Because once an ND took that into account we were able to change all kinds of things in my health for the better. Look, just because most of the people on this site don't believe in alternative practitioners, does not mean they are not good. I have found good natural practitioners are like a good doctor. You look long and hard and interview like crazy to find the good ones. This is no different then when I was looking for good doctors for my kid (I ultimately fired 3 oncologists for their stupidity). No one is telling YOU to do this, but this lady has every right to see the person she feels is the best fit for HER. You can disagree all you want. But in the end, she's responsible for her own healthcare and her own choices and she has that right. Feel free to give your advice - it's a free country. But you don't have the right to tell someone they should or shouldn't do something b/c you don't agree with it. She is an adult. I'm sure quite capable of weeding through whatever she reads on the internet to help her determine which direction she wants to go with her health. The difference between you "only AMA" people and the alties (for lack of better words to contrast the two) is we trust people with their own health to make their own informed decisions - even if it goes agains the mainstream. And just like medicine, there will be successes and there will be failures. That exists on both sides.
And I didn't say a "tsp" of salt. I said a half tsp. It is a well known help for low blood pressure and WAS given to me by an MD. If you've never had low blood pressure then you wouldn't have a clue what that feels like when you're tanking. Salt water can be a lifesaver at those times. And quite the opposite of what you think. I'm way more aware that this person is an individual and one size does not fit all. That is exactly why I prefer natural medicine over traditional. Because it takes the entire individual as a whole. Don't pass judgement on someone you know nothing about (me or my background). Until we've all walked a mile in someone else's shoes, we really don't know squat about them. I'll give you the same courtesy.
I will always disagree with what I consider to be bad advice
And I will always object to anyone who gives someone advice over the Internet for a diagnosed medical condition like you have, even if they profess to be a qualified medic (which I know you haven't) ... I believe that to be wrong and unethical. And no qualified ethical medic would do so, neither should a well meaning unqualified poster.
I absolutely believe I do have the right to tell someone to take care over accepting advice like you have chosen to give over the Internet because I don't agree with the act of you doing so, I think it it harmful. You don't know the interplay of her conditions and whether salt is indicated or contraindicated. I offered my advice to "think long and carefully" and to "take over internet trolls" and it is up to the poster to take that advice or not. I have never seen you before I have no idea if you are one of the new breed of MFP posters who posts bad advice or incorrect information just to amuse themselves or not.
If you are honestly posting then I would simply say, I disagree with the advice you have given and that "Natural" medicine, while your personal choice, encompasses a world of quackery
You guys must think people are really stupid that they wouldn't actually look things up and read before trying something. I just give people more credit then that. OP is obviously doing some homework along the way here. Pretty sure she'd check on the salt thing first too before trying it. For those that actually don't look things up before trying them (not talking about OP here), I would call them stupid.
I wouldn't assume that everybody looks things up. Look at all the people who share posts about detox cleanses. They didn't look anything up, they just reshared what they found on pinterest.0 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »CorneliusPhoton wrote: »My naturopath has the same letters after her name as my conventional doctor.
So you would assume she holds a conventional medical degree and would ask questions over whether she fully qualified (e.g. A medical graduate can use degree qualifications but may not be fully qualified as a practicing doctor in my country)
That would be an interesting conversation actually, what makes a scientist move into a non scientific field such as naturopathy
I know at least two personally that made the switch because once they got into the field and saw how little MD's actually cared about patients healing their bodies vs. just throwing drugs at them they were horrified. They opted for another 4 years of ND school to change their focus. There are also many homeopaths in the US that are MD's as well. I know of several in a couple of different states. I guess they're not real in your eyes either? At one time in the US, every medical school here taught homeopathy as a valid mode of medical treatment. They did not eliminate it until the AMA was created.
Just because someone is a naturopath doesn't make them necessarily more caring than a medical doctor. In my community we have some very caring doctors as well as at least one naturopath who dispenses some very very dangerous information and obviously doesn't care about her patients because if she did she wouldn't tell people that she can cure type 1 diabetes with her vegan diet. Though I have to admit it's a good thing she isn't that smart because she sent an email to every pharmacist in town asking them to send the type 1s to her for her cure and luckily the pharmacists called her out on it.3 -
singingflutelady wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »CorneliusPhoton wrote: »My naturopath has the same letters after her name as my conventional doctor.
So you would assume she holds a conventional medical degree and would ask questions over whether she fully qualified (e.g. A medical graduate can use degree qualifications but may not be fully qualified as a practicing doctor in my country)
That would be an interesting conversation actually, what makes a scientist move into a non scientific field such as naturopathy
I know at least two personally that made the switch because once they got into the field and saw how little MD's actually cared about patients healing their bodies vs. just throwing drugs at them they were horrified. They opted for another 4 years of ND school to change their focus. There are also many homeopaths in the US that are MD's as well. I know of several in a couple of different states. I guess they're not real in your eyes either? At one time in the US, every medical school here taught homeopathy as a valid mode of medical treatment. They did not eliminate it until the AMA was created.
Just because someone is a naturopath doesn't make them necessarily more caring than a medical doctor. In my community we have some very caring doctors as well as at least one naturopath who dispenses some very very dangerous information and obviously doesn't care about her patients because if she did she wouldn't tell people that she can cure type 1 diabetes with her vegan diet. Though I have to admit it's a good thing she isn't that smart because she sent an email to every pharmacist in town asking them to send the type 1s to her for her cure and luckily the pharmacists called her out on it.
Did that actually happen?
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Wow! A lot of responses. I think my favorite line is the last one, that I could "you know, ask my medical doctor". I did. He told me to go on statins. He offered no dietary recommendations whatsoever. He didn't recommend the scan that showed I have zero plaque, I found out about that on my own I had some intestinal problems after my hysterectomy last year, and went to my doctor. He sent me to a Gastroenterologist, whose only recommendation was to take a drug called Linzesse. My chiropractor recommended that I simply take Magnesium Chelate. What a difference. My former doctor recommended anti-depressants for my perimenopause symptoms, while I was able to find a natural treatment that had no side effects and worked wonderfully. And guess what. I don't get a flu shot. I use essential oils, and haven't had a cold or the flu since I started, so sorry, not sorry, for not putting medical doctors on a pedestal. I grew up with a chiropractor as my primary care doctor. Now I know that not all chiropractors are equal, same with medical doctors, and my chiro is beyond ethical. He is not my only resource, but he is a great resource, and definitely knows more about health than my PC.
I don't just "claim" to be a reiki practitioner, I am one. I really appreciate the comments from ronjsteele and geneticsteacher and a few others, who actually understood what I was looking for here. I am pretty sure if I were to lose weight the whole "pre diabetes" thing would resolve. That is why I am on MFP. I'm not looking for medical advice on the internet, I was looking for a meal plan that could help me do that. I thought someone here might have similar numbers to mine, and be able to guide me with my macros.
Thanks, really thanks for all the help.1 -
singingflutelady wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »CorneliusPhoton wrote: »My naturopath has the same letters after her name as my conventional doctor.
So you would assume she holds a conventional medical degree and would ask questions over whether she fully qualified (e.g. A medical graduate can use degree qualifications but may not be fully qualified as a practicing doctor in my country)
That would be an interesting conversation actually, what makes a scientist move into a non scientific field such as naturopathy
I know at least two personally that made the switch because once they got into the field and saw how little MD's actually cared about patients healing their bodies vs. just throwing drugs at them they were horrified. They opted for another 4 years of ND school to change their focus. There are also many homeopaths in the US that are MD's as well. I know of several in a couple of different states. I guess they're not real in your eyes either? At one time in the US, every medical school here taught homeopathy as a valid mode of medical treatment. They did not eliminate it until the AMA was created.
Just because someone is a naturopath doesn't make them necessarily more caring than a medical doctor. In my community we have some very caring doctors as well as at least one naturopath who dispenses some very very dangerous information and obviously doesn't care about her patients because if she did she wouldn't tell people that she can cure type 1 diabetes with her vegan diet. Though I have to admit it's a good thing she isn't that smart because she sent an email to every pharmacist in town asking them to send the type 1s to her for her cure and luckily the pharmacists called her out on it.
Did that actually happen?
Yes. I have a good friend who is a pharmacist. She forwarded the email to several doctors.
This lady puts on vegan eating workshops (nothing wrong with veganism ) in which she makes crazy claims.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »CorneliusPhoton wrote: »My naturopath has the same letters after her name as my conventional doctor.
So you would assume she holds a conventional medical degree and would ask questions over whether she fully qualified (e.g. A medical graduate can use degree qualifications but may not be fully qualified as a practicing doctor in my country)
That would be an interesting conversation actually, what makes a scientist move into a non scientific field such as naturopathy
I know at least two personally that made the switch because once they got into the field and saw how little MD's actually cared about patients healing their bodies vs. just throwing drugs at them they were horrified. They opted for another 4 years of ND school to change their focus. There are also many homeopaths in the US that are MD's as well. I know of several in a couple of different states. I guess they're not real in your eyes either? At one time in the US, every medical school here taught homeopathy as a valid mode of medical treatment. They did not eliminate it until the AMA was created.
Just because someone is a naturopath doesn't make them necessarily more caring than a medical doctor. In my community we have some very caring doctors as well as at least one naturopath who dispenses some very very dangerous information and obviously doesn't care about her patients because if she did she wouldn't tell people that she can cure type 1 diabetes with her vegan diet. Though I have to admit it's a good thing she isn't that smart because she sent an email to every pharmacist in town asking them to send the type 1s to her for her cure and luckily the pharmacists called her out on it.
If you had read my previous posts you would note that I specifically stated a good ND is like a good doctor. You research and interview the crud out of them to find a good one. Just like there are crappy doctors, there are crappy ND's. I have fired two natural doctors because of incompetence that came out shortly after working with them (it wasn't obvious during the interview process) and I've fired 3 oncologists for idiocy after working with them (we had very limited options in our city for peds oncologists to begin with). So I'm not stating all natural practioners (chiros, ND's, h-paths, etc) are good - and neither are all doctors (in fact, I'll cross the line and say most doctors aren't good from MY experience). But clearly, OP has confidence in her chiro and I trust a person's judgement since they are there and have the relationship with that practitioner.
@cat111719 I have to second the book The Diabetes Solution by Dr. Bernstein. Excellent book and his method works. I was a gestational diabetic with my last baby as the result of pancreatitis and following his plan pulled me out of it when I was having a really hard time recovering afterwards. Kudos to you for looking for a more natural way to treat this stuff. It most ways, it's more work and more expensive (not covered by insurance), but long term, your body will be much better off for it.3 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »CorneliusPhoton wrote: »My naturopath has the same letters after her name as my conventional doctor.
@cat111719 I have to second the book The Diabetes Solution by Dr. Bernstein. Excellent book and his method works. I was a gestational diabetic with my last baby as the result of pancreatitis and following his plan pulled me out of it when I was having a really hard time recovering afterwards. Kudos to you for looking for a more natural way to treat this stuff. It most ways, it's more work and more expensive (not covered by insurance), but long term, your body will be much better off for it.
Thanks, Ronjsteele! I will definitely take a look at that book, although I would like to say, after doing more research, I find my A1C number is just 0.1 % above what is considered normal.0
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