Juice Fasting
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courtneyfabulous wrote: »
If you talk about the truck driver, yes he did. (well most of it) It wasnt because he drank too many vegetables though. He was starting again in 2014, so not sure how it went after that.
On the bright side, that guy who sold weapons completely changed his life, even though he planned to die "fat but happy"
Ganing weight back is hardly a new phenomen though. Even calorie counters fell off the wagon and regain everything they lost and then some. In fact most people fail, up to 80%
The reason for this is easy enough, years of bad habits is not that easy to break.
Losing weight and maintain the new weight require life changing decisions, and the new habits has to be sustainable.
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courtneyfabulous wrote: »
If you talk about the truck driver, yes he did. (well most of it) It wasnt because he drank too many vegetables though. He was starting again in 2014, so not sure how it went after that.
On the bright side, that guy who sold weapons completely changed his life, even though he planned to die "fat but happy"
Ganing weight back is hardly a new phenomen though. Even calorie counters fell off the wagon and regain everything they lost and then some. In fact most people fail, up to 80%
The reason for this is easy enough, years of bad habits is not that easy to break.
Losing weight and maintain the new weight require life changing decisions, and the new habits has to be sustainable.
So you think not eating food is sustainable? And protein and dietary fat is unnecessary?3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »courtneyfabulous wrote: »
If you talk about the truck driver, yes he did. (well most of it) It wasnt because he drank too many vegetables though. He was starting again in 2014, so not sure how it went after that.
On the bright side, that guy who sold weapons completely changed his life, even though he planned to die "fat but happy"
Ganing weight back is hardly a new phenomen though. Even calorie counters fell off the wagon and regain everything they lost and then some. In fact most people fail, up to 80%
The reason for this is easy enough, years of bad habits is not that easy to break.
Losing weight and maintain the new weight require life changing decisions, and the new habits has to be sustainable.
So you think not eating food is sustainable? And protein and dietary fat is unnecessary?
Can you point me to the post where I said not eating food is sustainable? I cant seem to find it.
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courtneyfabulous wrote: »
If you talk about the truck driver, yes he did. (well most of it) It wasnt because he drank too many vegetables though. He was starting again in 2014, so not sure how it went after that.
On the bright side, that guy who sold weapons completely changed his life, even though he planned to die "fat but happy"
Ganing weight back is hardly a new phenomen though. Even calorie counters fell off the wagon and regain everything they lost and then some. In fact most people fail, up to 80%
The reason for this is easy enough, years of bad habits is not that easy to break.
Losing weight and maintain the new weight require life changing decisions, and the new habits has to be sustainable.
Wouldn't it make sense to use the weight loss time period a time to learn those new sustainable habits? Juice fasts are going to be lacking in essential fats and proteins. I do agree with the benefit of added nutrients, but personally prefer to use my nutribullet to make a fruit/veg smoothie to supplement my diet. Giving the added micros without losing the fibre. That won't work for everyone. If someone wants to "juice fast" for a day or two, the risk of harm is relatively minimal (some GI distress, as long as they are not medically unstable for some reason), but long term your body needs proteins, fats, and fibres which would be missing from just consuming juices. There are some serious health risks to juicing for extended periods of time, and what have they learned in the meantime that will make these changes sustainable?4 -
The guy from the documentary did successfully transition from the juice to actual food. If I remember, lots of veggies and just a little meat. He was able to maintain that for quite a long time. I can't remember what made him go off the rails though, because he eventually did,0
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You will lose weight by doing the following:
- Count your calories.
- Burn more than you eat (maintenance or exercise)
You will not lose weight by:- Starving yourself.
- Following fad diets.
I do not recommend engaging in diets like these for a number of reasons. The first being that they are difficult to sustain and typically being pointless over just eating a regular healthy diet and watching how many calories you're putting in your mouth. All you're going to accomplish by drinking almost exclusively juice for 3 weeks is the runniest poops of your life. Your body needs fiber and other nutrients.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »courtneyfabulous wrote: »
If you talk about the truck driver, yes he did. (well most of it) It wasnt because he drank too many vegetables though. He was starting again in 2014, so not sure how it went after that.
On the bright side, that guy who sold weapons completely changed his life, even though he planned to die "fat but happy"
Ganing weight back is hardly a new phenomen though. Even calorie counters fell off the wagon and regain everything they lost and then some. In fact most people fail, up to 80%
The reason for this is easy enough, years of bad habits is not that easy to break.
Losing weight and maintain the new weight require life changing decisions, and the new habits has to be sustainable.
So you think not eating food is sustainable? And protein and dietary fat is unnecessary?
Can you point me to the post where I said not eating food is sustainable? I cant seem to find it.
Well you seemed to be arguing with me and all I said was that drinking nothing but juice wasn't sustainable (ie not eating food).0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »courtneyfabulous wrote: »
If you talk about the truck driver, yes he did. (well most of it) It wasnt because he drank too many vegetables though. He was starting again in 2014, so not sure how it went after that.
On the bright side, that guy who sold weapons completely changed his life, even though he planned to die "fat but happy"
Ganing weight back is hardly a new phenomen though. Even calorie counters fell off the wagon and regain everything they lost and then some. In fact most people fail, up to 80%
The reason for this is easy enough, years of bad habits is not that easy to break.
Losing weight and maintain the new weight require life changing decisions, and the new habits has to be sustainable.
Wouldn't it make sense to use the weight loss time period a time to learn those new sustainable habits? Juice fasts are going to be lacking in essential fats and proteins. I do agree with the benefit of added nutrients, but personally prefer to use my nutribullet to make a fruit/veg smoothie to supplement my diet. Giving the added micros without losing the fibre. That won't work for everyone. If someone wants to "juice fast" for a day or two, the risk of harm is relatively minimal (some GI distress, as long as they are not medically unstable for some reason), but long term your body needs proteins, fats, and fibres which would be missing from just consuming juices. There are some serious health risks to juicing for extended periods of time, and what have they learned in the meantime that will make these changes sustainable?
As for your first part: No. I dont think learning new habits "as you go" is a good idea in general. I think its smart to think things through before you even start your journey, and have a plan as to how to meet your goals longterm is the best strategy.
As for the rest: Yes having a fruit/veggie juice/smoothie everyday to supplement the rest of your diet is excellent, and that is what i personally do, as I would never get enough veggies in my diet. i cant stand things like kale or spinach, but I dont mind driking it with other fruit/vegetables.
The reason I posted in this thread in the first place was that juice is not just juice. Its what you make it to be, and its something that can be really good for you.
It was (and still is) unclear what OP really meant by a juice fast, she did not mention kind of juice or for how long.
Iy annoys me when people advice against something when they dont even have a slightest clue as to what they are advising against.
A juice fasting, provided the juice is mainly of vegetables, over a period of days is not in any way life threatening. If over a longer period of time lets say 30-60 days, you should of course check in with your doctor every so often.
Is it the smart way to lose weight? Its certainly not for me, but how am I to say it will not be good for the OP, or anyone else that want to do it? It can be a good motivational factor as a kickstart for example.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »There is juice and there is JUICE.
If by juice you mean fruit and vegatables that you make yourself using a slowjuice machine, youll get all the micronutrients you need. If you have a good amount of fat you have more than enough energy stored.
If by juice you mean store bought orange juice for example then NO.
If you get all the micro and macronutrients that you require from drinking juice then why is it called a fast?
Ever watched "fat sick and nearly dead"?
Yes, I did. I knew from past experience that straight juice was not for me - I need fiber, fat, and protein. Straight juice gives me headaches and is not the least bit satiating.
I somehow learned that the Fat Sick and Nearly Dead guy had smoothie recipes and combined a few and tweaked the ingredients and macros until I got them where I wanted them. It's been my breakfast for the past 6 months or so.
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kshama2001 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »There is juice and there is JUICE.
If by juice you mean fruit and vegatables that you make yourself using a slowjuice machine, youll get all the micronutrients you need. If you have a good amount of fat you have more than enough energy stored.
If by juice you mean store bought orange juice for example then NO.
If you get all the micro and macronutrients that you require from drinking juice then why is it called a fast?
Ever watched "fat sick and nearly dead"?
Yes, I did. I knew from past experience that straight juice was not for me - I need fiber, fat, and protein. Straight juice gives me headaches and is not the least bit satiating.
I somehow learned that the Fat Sick and Nearly Dead guy had smoothie recipes and combined a few and tweaked the ingredients and macros until I got them where I wanted them. It's been my breakfast for the past 6 months or so.
Good for you!!
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cerise_noir wrote: »Here's a haiku I wrote about juice cleanses:
Nope nope nope nope nope
Diarrhea nope nope nope
Scam woo huge asss nopeAaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »There is juice and there is JUICE.
If by juice you mean fruit and vegatables that you make yourself using a slowjuice machine, youll get all the micronutrients you need. If you have a good amount of fat you have more than enough energy stored.
If by juice you mean store bought orange juice for example then NO.
If you get all the micro and macronutrients that you require from drinking juice then why is it called a fast?
Ever watched "fat sick and nearly dead"?
No, but then again I don't usually attempt to get my facts from movies.
Yes ... I should read more science about this ...
Maybe eating more fruit and vegetables is really bad for me?
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Thanks for the tip bro.
Um how does saying "you shouldn't do a juice fast" equate to saying "vegetables and fruits are bad for you" exactly?
Broccoli is good for you sure, but along with other things you eat that comprise a balanced nutrition and sufficient macros. If you ate nothing but broccoli that wouldn't go well for you but saying that does not somehow imply that broccoli is bad for you...that is just a bizzare logic.
People are so ignorant these days.
Why do you even have an opinion about a documentary you have not even seen?
Stop wasting my time.
Ignorant is someone who calls someone knowledgeable in the science field 'ignorant'.
Thanks but I'm not a nutritionist nor a dietary expert, I'm a layman in that regard so don't give me too much credit.0 -
YvetteK2015 wrote: »The guy from the documentary did successfully transition from the juice to actual food. If I remember, lots of veggies and just a little meat. He was able to maintain that for quite a long time. I can't remember what made him go off the rails though, because he eventually did,
He got married, and by his own words a big mistake. He broke it off and got really lonely again
I have a hunch that he is actually gay, but cant find a way to deal with it. That is just my opinion though.
It really broke my heart to see him in FSAND 2. He was so depressed and lonely. 0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »courtneyfabulous wrote: »
If you talk about the truck driver, yes he did. (well most of it) It wasnt because he drank too many vegetables though. He was starting again in 2014, so not sure how it went after that.
On the bright side, that guy who sold weapons completely changed his life, even though he planned to die "fat but happy"
Ganing weight back is hardly a new phenomen though. Even calorie counters fell off the wagon and regain everything they lost and then some. In fact most people fail, up to 80%
The reason for this is easy enough, years of bad habits is not that easy to break.
Losing weight and maintain the new weight require life changing decisions, and the new habits has to be sustainable.
Wouldn't it make sense to use the weight loss time period a time to learn those new sustainable habits? Juice fasts are going to be lacking in essential fats and proteins. I do agree with the benefit of added nutrients, but personally prefer to use my nutribullet to make a fruit/veg smoothie to supplement my diet. Giving the added micros without losing the fibre. That won't work for everyone. If someone wants to "juice fast" for a day or two, the risk of harm is relatively minimal (some GI distress, as long as they are not medically unstable for some reason), but long term your body needs proteins, fats, and fibres which would be missing from just consuming juices. There are some serious health risks to juicing for extended periods of time, and what have they learned in the meantime that will make these changes sustainable?
As for your first part: No. I dont think learning new habits "as you go" is a good idea in general. I think its smart to think things through before you even start your journey, and have a plan as to how to meet your goals longterm is the best strategy.
As for the rest: Yes having a fruit/veggie juice/smoothie everyday to supplement the rest of your diet is excellent, and that is what i personally do, as I would never get enough veggies in my diet. i cant stand things like kale or spinach, but I dont mind driking it with other fruit/vegetables.
The reason I posted in this thread in the first place was that juice is not just juice. Its what you make it to be, and its something that can be really good for you.
It was (and still is) unclear what OP really meant by a juice fast, she did not mention kind of juice or for how long.
Iy annoys me when people advice against something when they dont even have a slightest clue as to what they are advising against.
A juice fasting, provided the juice is mainly of vegetables, over a period of days is not in any way life threatening. If over a longer period of time lets say 30-60 days, you should of course check in with your doctor every so often.
Is it the smart way to lose weight? Its certainly not for me, but how am I to say it will not be good for the OP, or anyone else that want to do it? It can be a good motivational factor as a kickstart for example.
Making overall sweeping changes in your diet can lead people to give up. It does make sense to learn new habits along the way and make slow changes that work for you, rather than jumping into a diet that is dramatically different than what you are accustomed to eating. It helps with that whole sustainability thing.
The OP did mention a length of time, but not what type of juice. You cannot make a juice that would meet the complete nutritional needs of your body without supplementation. It's that simple. If she meant to be doing all of this additional supplementation, wouldn't it have been added into the post? From being here for a while now, many people come in and ask about juice fasting and they haven't really done any research other than watching the agenda driven "documentaries."
She asked for opinions, people are giving her opinions. These opinions are often based on experience and actual research that they have done. Slamming people for expressing an opinion that they were asked for is counterproductive and shuts communication down.3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »courtneyfabulous wrote: »
If you talk about the truck driver, yes he did. (well most of it) It wasnt because he drank too many vegetables though. He was starting again in 2014, so not sure how it went after that.
On the bright side, that guy who sold weapons completely changed his life, even though he planned to die "fat but happy"
Ganing weight back is hardly a new phenomen though. Even calorie counters fell off the wagon and regain everything they lost and then some. In fact most people fail, up to 80%
The reason for this is easy enough, years of bad habits is not that easy to break.
Losing weight and maintain the new weight require life changing decisions, and the new habits has to be sustainable.
So you think not eating food is sustainable? And protein and dietary fat is unnecessary?
Can you point me to the post where I said not eating food is sustainable? I cant seem to find it.
The part I bolded where you said losing the weight and maintaining the weight requires life changing decisions and sustainable habits... in the context of you advocating that juice fasts are a good idea.
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queenliz99 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »There is juice and there is JUICE.
If by juice you mean fruit and vegatables that you make yourself using a slowjuice machine, youll get all the micronutrients you need. If you have a good amount of fat you have more than enough energy stored.
If by juice you mean store bought orange juice for example then NO.
If you get all the micro and macronutrients that you require from drinking juice then why is it called a fast?
Ever watched "fat sick and nearly dead"?
Did you watch it with a critical eye though? He sells juicers, you know.
He didnt when he made the documentary the first time around, did he?
And it still dosnt take away the important thing, its GREAT way to eat (or in this case, drink) enough vegetables, and most of us do not eat enough green stuff.
There's an easy way to correct that -- eat more vegetables! You get all the fiber with them too, that way, and can cook the ones that digest better or give nutrients more easily when cooked and likely will end up eating a greater variety and learning to enjoy them. So often it seems like juices (and extreme things like juice fasts) are pushed by people who don't really eat or enjoy vegetables in other ways, which I think is much better overall.
In any case, great as vegetables are, you typically are better off with more protein than you get just from vegetables, a diet that has more fiber than juice will give you, and healthy fats. A juice fast doesn't really teach one how to construct a healthful diet and even promotes the idea that extreme measures are necessary to be healthy (or to lose weight).0 -
Hi, Chau!
Like others, I don't normally think juice fasts are a good idea, but before weighing in more I am curious why the idea of it appeals to you. Sometimes I think people feel overwhelmed with the idea of figuring out how to improve their diet or count calories, so figure that if they do something extreme like a juice fast that will (kind of magically) make it so they only crave "healthy" foods and don't overeat. In other cases, I think they assume they will lose a whole bunch of weight really fast. And in still other cases I think they've been misled into thinking that an all fruit and vegetable diet (especially one in juice form, for some reason) is the healthiest.
None of these are true, and the latter is actually contrary to real nutrition science, which is why I'm against it, but I think it can be helpful to think through what you are hoping to get out of it, which might lead to more productive approaches to what you see as the barriers to whatever your goals are.2 -
My husband tried a juice fast a few years ago, blending all his own veggie and fruit juices. He did lose a lot of weight, felt great, skin looked great. He did eat some food but did juices I'd say probably 80% of the time for 60 days IIRC.
Since then he's gained back everything he'd lost, and then some. As has already been mentioned, completely avoiding a normal diet was no way for him to learn better eating habits, and that's what has to be done if one is wanting permanent changes.
Also I agreed to do the juicing with him just for a week, for moral support while he got used to it. I didn't make it -- I lasted half a day and it was *miserable*. I felt like I was starving. And he said, well, you could have as much juice as you want. But each batch took me half an hour to make and another half hour to clean the danged juicer, plus I still had to fix food for my kids. I don't have that kind of time. So, that's my $0.02 worth.0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »There is juice and there is JUICE.
If by juice you mean fruit and vegatables that you make yourself using a slowjuice machine, youll get all the micronutrients you need. If you have a good amount of fat you have more than enough energy stored.
If by juice you mean store bought orange juice for example then NO.
If you get all the micro and macronutrients that you require from drinking juice then why is it called a fast?
Ever watched "fat sick and nearly dead"?
I did. And then I watched the 2nd movie where they all got fat again and then had to juice again and then were in a continual cycle of juicing and getting fat, juicing then getting fat. That seems very hard on your body. And obviously the juicing is just a short term fix in a yo yo diet.0 -
You will have diarrhea. You will lose muscle and fat and your brain will not function properly. Before you consider a juice fast talk to a doctor. My aunt and I ncle do fast a few times a year usually only a couple days but they both did a 21 day fast and hated it. they ended up gaining the weight back plus extra and felt low energy, irritable, and unable to focus. You will be getting alot of sugar even in no sugar added products and that will cause energy spikes and crashes. The body needs protein! The brain needs protein. Please don't do this especially if you don't fast regularly.0
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