protein HELP PLEASE
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Wow so much misinformation in this thread... extra protein converts to glucose... really? SMH. And carbs are not evil either.
I'm 135 pounds and often eat around 120g of protein. Not a big deal at all. Protein helps preserve muscle and (usually) keeps you full longer.1 -
Wow so much misinformation in this thread... extra protein converts to glucose... really? SMH. And carbs are not evil either.
I'm 135 pounds and often eat around 120g of protein. Not a big deal at all. Protein helps preserve muscle and (usually) keeps you full longer.
Yes really. Excess protein converts to glucose...9 -
Essentially everything you eat is converted to sugar... your body takes that sugar and then moves it around to where it's needed. If you have too much it gets stored and converted to fat to pull from in case you can't find a buffalo to kill.
And 700 calories could send you to the hospital. That is going to leave you certainly malnourished and potentially damage your bodies ability to process food long term. If you start eating more, you'll gain everything you lost back and then some. It's your body's way of saying you are doing it wrong.
Shoot for AT LEAST 1350. 1500 would be even better. Then try and find a way to get moving. Swimming, or even light weights.
You want to lose the weight slowly. Your body will adjust, and not fight you all the way down.2 -
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That's what I needed to hear........thank you.....Guess I am over thinking.....To the fridge I go1
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I looked at your diary for yesterday and it looked like a carnivore's delight. One yam was also on your list, so you nailed it for high quality starch. Could you think of finding a way to add some color variety with vegetables?1
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Yes.....I need to get to the store...I've got hello squash..heirloom tomatoes in yellow and red...romaine..Slim pickings...Thank you so much jerome1
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I'm not body building....I wish....my liver is fatty and close to scaring.... pancreas levels are elevated...I'm doing good to walk without assistance...I was gonna upload some photos to give all a better idea of ME and my situation....Silly thing isn't working..Will try later...So I see some of you are very fit....That's GREAT!!! I can only hope to regain my health...Just don't wanna do it wrong
I lost probably 70% of my weight walking. You got this! Just keep it up! The last 30% I was using my Bowflex M5 last Winter when I couldn't go outside but I prefer walking. I never thought I would run again, ever. Now I can run up to a mile at a time during my walks, and do 5k six days a week weather permitting. On the weekends if it's nice I do a little over 5 miles (8k ish) and run at least half of it. Walking was tough for me at first, I have three bad/previously injured discs in my Lumbar spine, a repaired right knee, and a left knee with arthritis, not to mention spinal stenosis. I started probably eating around 120-140g/day of protein while I was in a deficit just to make sure I didn't lose any of my existing muscle (honestly there wasn't much of it, so didn't want to lose what little I had). Then when I hit maintenance I upped it to 1g/lb or more to start building more.1 -
Wow so much misinformation in this thread... extra protein converts to glucose... really? SMH. And carbs are not evil either.
I'm 135 pounds and often eat around 120g of protein. Not a big deal at all. Protein helps preserve muscle and (usually) keeps you full longer.
I don't think extra protein becomes specifically glucose in all cases but it does feed into the Kreb's cycle either via Pyuvate to > Acetyl CoA into Krebs for oxidation into energy stores or directly into one of the cycle intermediates such as alpha-ketoglutarate. If needed that can be run basically backwards to catabolically get to glucose or to fats if need be. So the body CAN convert protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis by converting protein to pyruvate into glucose-6-phosphate.
So its not really a "SMH" statement...not sure what you meant by that.
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Thank you spliner19691
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That chart is foreign to me....lol...Looks so official.. Factual....I like it...I'm not afraid of carbs from whole foods...Just don't want processed stuff if I can help it....Thanks for posting..0
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Thank you spliner1969
I started 120 lbs overweight. I could barely walk a quarter mile (so I would do 1/4 mile, rest, another 1/4 mile, etc. until I had done 2 miles a day), and even managed to hurt myself walking too much last year, but I healed and went right back at it. Set your mind to it and next year you'll be in much better shape. Even when I could not stand another minute on my M5 (it's a glorified stair stepper/elliptical) and it was too cold to walk, I would walk back and forth through my house. Drives my wife bonkers I just tell her to ignore me. I've walked from my kitchen to my back bedrooms so many times I think I wore out the carpet last winter. Whatever it takes to get the exercise. Even when I hurt my back walking too much and was down for the count, I spent my time laying flat on my back after that for over a month on a cheap weight bench and worked on nothing but upper body and arms until I could walk again. It takes stubbornness, so be stubborn.
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Spliner1968 can you add me as a friend? I think you will be so inspirational to me...If not no offense taken..I have arthritis too...My new knee is messed up...Theknee cap it rotates on is out of place...Drives me crazy..I struggle to walk but am gonna try and push thru like you...Thank you0
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I sent you a request. I am usually active daily, even on rest days to throw around likes for my friends. My right knee was repaired years ago after I bent it sideways 90 degrees in the "easter cookie" incident. We won't go into that but I tore up both sides of that knee. The left knee is from an old injury when I was a kid and it was my best knee for a long time, now the one that was repaired is the better of the two now that arthritis has set in. Osteo Biflex helped my joints/knees, I take it daily now, or the generic version of it. My knees used to hurt so bad in the middle of the night they would wake me up, after taking Osteo Biflex for a long time and losing the weight that no longer happens. But some weeks I need to take an extra rest day to give them a break. Stuff happens when you get old lol.1
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So true to getting older....If only we had a time machine....I would change most of my younger years so I would be better now....I'm on and off internet...Have toddlers of my daughter to care for and a baby..Stress!!!!! Patel biflex....I will have to look into that..Good job on your weight loss!!!!0
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wow so much misinformation in this thread... extra protein converts to glucose... really? SMH. And carbs are not evil either.
I'm 135 pounds and often eat around 120g of protein. Not a big deal at all. Protein helps preserve muscle and (usually) keeps you full longer.
I don't think extra protein becomes specifically glucose in all cases but it does feed into the Kreb's cycle either via Pyuvate to > Acetyl CoA into Krebs for oxidation into energy stores or directly into one of the cycle intermediates such as alpha-ketoglutarate. If needed that can be run basically backwards to catabolically get to glucose or to fats if need be. So the body CAN convert protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis by converting protein to pyruvate into glucose-6-phosphate.
So its not really a "SMH" statement...not sure what you meant by that.
She comes from the Trump school of debate (say facts aren't true in an arrogant way in the hope people will believe you know what you're talking abput)
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wow so much misinformation in this thread... extra protein converts to glucose... really? SMH. And carbs are not evil either.
I'm 135 pounds and often eat around 120g of protein. Not a big deal at all. Protein helps preserve muscle and (usually) keeps you full longer.
I don't think extra protein becomes specifically glucose in all cases but it does feed into the Kreb's cycle either via Pyuvate to > Acetyl CoA into Krebs for oxidation into energy stores or directly into one of the cycle intermediates such as alpha-ketoglutarate. If needed that can be run basically backwards to catabolically get to glucose or to fats if need be. So the body CAN convert protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis by converting protein to pyruvate into glucose-6-phosphate.
So its not really a "SMH" statement...not sure what you meant by that.
Thanks, Aaron, now I'm having falshbacks and associated PTSD to biology class.
I'll be sure to have my therapist send you the bill.
Although I do have one question because It's been so long but I thought Pyruvate was a one-way trip and that it couldn't be reversed back to glucose, was this an older model or did I misremember?0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wow so much misinformation in this thread... extra protein converts to glucose... really? SMH. And carbs are not evil either.
I'm 135 pounds and often eat around 120g of protein. Not a big deal at all. Protein helps preserve muscle and (usually) keeps you full longer.
I don't think extra protein becomes specifically glucose in all cases but it does feed into the Kreb's cycle either via Pyuvate to > Acetyl CoA into Krebs for oxidation into energy stores or directly into one of the cycle intermediates such as alpha-ketoglutarate. If needed that can be run basically backwards to catabolically get to glucose or to fats if need be. So the body CAN convert protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis by converting protein to pyruvate into glucose-6-phosphate.
So its not really a "SMH" statement...not sure what you meant by that.
Thanks, Aaron, now I'm having falshbacks and associated PTSD to biology class. I'll be sure to have my therapist send you the bill.
Although I do have one question because It's been so long but I thought Pyruvate was a one-way trip and that it couldn't be reversed back to glucose, was this an older model or did I misremember?
Pretty sure pyruvate is one of the primary starting points for glucogoneogenesis. Its admitedly been a while for me as well.
Glycolysis has some irreversible steps and I bet that is what you are remembering, but all that means is that those specific enzymes cannot go the reverse direction, so other enzymes are used for gluconeogenesis in a bypass reaction.
Here is the specific pathway from pyruvate for gluconeogenesis which includes enzymes seperate from glycolysis.
https://www.rpi.edu/dept/bcbp/molbiochem/MBWeb/mb1/part2/gluconeo.htm
Put "simply"
Glycolysis:
glucose + 2 NAD+ + 2 ADP + 2 Pi = 2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 2 ATP
Gluconeogenesis:
2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 4 ATP + 2 GTP = glucose + 2 NAD+ + 4 ADP + 2 GDP + 6 Pi
Since amino acids are shunted mostly through pyruvate or oxaloacetate (which can go to pyruvate) they can be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis.1 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wow so much misinformation in this thread... extra protein converts to glucose... really? SMH. And carbs are not evil either.
I'm 135 pounds and often eat around 120g of protein. Not a big deal at all. Protein helps preserve muscle and (usually) keeps you full longer.
I don't think extra protein becomes specifically glucose in all cases but it does feed into the Kreb's cycle either via Pyuvate to > Acetyl CoA into Krebs for oxidation into energy stores or directly into one of the cycle intermediates such as alpha-ketoglutarate. If needed that can be run basically backwards to catabolically get to glucose or to fats if need be. So the body CAN convert protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis by converting protein to pyruvate into glucose-6-phosphate.
So its not really a "SMH" statement...not sure what you meant by that.
Thanks, Aaron, now I'm having falshbacks and associated PTSD to biology class. I'll be sure to have my therapist send you the bill.
Although I do have one question because It's been so long but I thought Pyruvate was a one-way trip and that it couldn't be reversed back to glucose, was this an older model or did I misremember?
Pretty sure pyruvate is one of the primary starting points for glucogoneogenesis. Its admitedly been a while for me as well.
Glycolosis has some irreversible steps but all that means is that those enzymes cannot go the reverse direction, so other enzymes are used for gluconeogenesis in a bypass reaction. I think what you are probably remembering is the diagram for glycolysis where some of the steps are irreversible.
Here is the specific pathway from pyruvate for gluconeogenesis which includes enzymes seperate from glycolysis.
https://www.rpi.edu/dept/bcbp/molbiochem/MBWeb/mb1/part2/gluconeo.htm
Put "simply"
Glycolysis:
glucose + 2 NAD+ + 2 ADP + 2 Pi = 2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 2 ATP
Gluconeogenesis:
2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 4 ATP + 2 GTP = glucose + 2 NAD+ + 4 ADP + 2 GDP + 6 Pi
Since amino acids are shunted mostly through pyruvate or oxaloacetate (which can go to pyruvate) they can be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis.
Thanks, that makes sense now, I think I was confusing it with another step in the Kreb cycle.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wow so much misinformation in this thread... extra protein converts to glucose... really? SMH. And carbs are not evil either.
I'm 135 pounds and often eat around 120g of protein. Not a big deal at all. Protein helps preserve muscle and (usually) keeps you full longer.
I don't think extra protein becomes specifically glucose in all cases but it does feed into the Kreb's cycle either via Pyuvate to > Acetyl CoA into Krebs for oxidation into energy stores or directly into one of the cycle intermediates such as alpha-ketoglutarate. If needed that can be run basically backwards to catabolically get to glucose or to fats if need be. So the body CAN convert protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis by converting protein to pyruvate into glucose-6-phosphate.
So its not really a "SMH" statement...not sure what you meant by that.
Thanks, Aaron, now I'm having falshbacks and associated PTSD to biology class. I'll be sure to have my therapist send you the bill.
Although I do have one question because It's been so long but I thought Pyruvate was a one-way trip and that it couldn't be reversed back to glucose, was this an older model or did I misremember?
Pretty sure pyruvate is one of the primary starting points for glucogoneogenesis. Its admitedly been a while for me as well.
Glycolosis has some irreversible steps but all that means is that those enzymes cannot go the reverse direction, so other enzymes are used for gluconeogenesis in a bypass reaction. I think what you are probably remembering is the diagram for glycolysis where some of the steps are irreversible.
Here is the specific pathway from pyruvate for gluconeogenesis which includes enzymes seperate from glycolysis.
https://www.rpi.edu/dept/bcbp/molbiochem/MBWeb/mb1/part2/gluconeo.htm
Put "simply"
Glycolysis:
glucose + 2 NAD+ + 2 ADP + 2 Pi = 2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 2 ATP
Gluconeogenesis:
2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 4 ATP + 2 GTP = glucose + 2 NAD+ + 4 ADP + 2 GDP + 6 Pi
Since amino acids are shunted mostly through pyruvate or oxaloacetate (which can go to pyruvate) they can be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis.
Thanks, that makes sense now, I think I was confusing it with another step in the Kreb cycle.
Put simply I'm pretty sure there is a path you can follow from any one macro to any other macro through various anabolic and catabolic steps...but some paths are much less efficient than others.
So can protein get converted to glucose? Yeah. Is that relevant to how you should diet? Not really.2 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Wow so much misinformation in this thread... extra protein converts to glucose... really? SMH. And carbs are not evil either.
I'm 135 pounds and often eat around 120g of protein. Not a big deal at all. Protein helps preserve muscle and (usually) keeps you full longer.
I don't think extra protein becomes specifically glucose in all cases but it does feed into the Kreb's cycle either via Pyuvate to > Acetyl CoA into Krebs for oxidation into energy stores or directly into one of the cycle intermediates such as alpha-ketoglutarate. If needed that can be run basically backwards to catabolically get to glucose or to fats if need be. So the body CAN convert protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis by converting protein to pyruvate into glucose-6-phosphate.
So its not really a "SMH" statement...not sure what you meant by that.
Thanks, Aaron, now I'm having falshbacks and associated PTSD to biology class. I'll be sure to have my therapist send you the bill.
Although I do have one question because It's been so long but I thought Pyruvate was a one-way trip and that it couldn't be reversed back to glucose, was this an older model or did I misremember?
Pretty sure pyruvate is one of the primary starting points for glucogoneogenesis. Its admitedly been a while for me as well.
Glycolosis has some irreversible steps but all that means is that those enzymes cannot go the reverse direction, so other enzymes are used for gluconeogenesis in a bypass reaction. I think what you are probably remembering is the diagram for glycolysis where some of the steps are irreversible.
Here is the specific pathway from pyruvate for gluconeogenesis which includes enzymes seperate from glycolysis.
https://www.rpi.edu/dept/bcbp/molbiochem/MBWeb/mb1/part2/gluconeo.htm
Put "simply"
Glycolysis:
glucose + 2 NAD+ + 2 ADP + 2 Pi = 2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 2 ATP
Gluconeogenesis:
2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 4 ATP + 2 GTP = glucose + 2 NAD+ + 4 ADP + 2 GDP + 6 Pi
Since amino acids are shunted mostly through pyruvate or oxaloacetate (which can go to pyruvate) they can be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis.
Thanks, that makes sense now, I think I was confusing it with another step in the Kreb cycle.
Put simply I'm pretty sure there is a path you can follow from any one macro to any other macro through various anabolic and catabolic steps...but some paths are much less efficient than others.
So can protein get converted to glucose? Yeah. Is that relevant to how you should diet? Not really.
I certainly don't worry about it!
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Well I'm super confused now.....I'm no scientist....lol0
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Well I'm super confused now.....I'm no scientist....lol
Well okay, not sure why you are "lol"ing about it but feel free to ignore...not really relevant. You aren't eating too much protein, not even sure that is a thing that ever happens. The only thing that is going to make you gain fat is to be in caloric excess relative to your expenditure and it doesn't matter if that comes from protein or carbs or fat, its all the same. Sugar doesn't just make you gain weight, thats not how that works.1 -
General diet recommendation. Count your calories as accurately as you can, figure out how many calories you maintain at. Subtract something like 20% from that number. (So if you maintain at 2000 calories then subtract 400 to get 1600. Eat that number of calories on average per day. Eat whatever you want that fits into those calories. You may find eating things that are higher in protein or fat or dietary fiber will help you feel more full and satisfied (this is the reason people say to avoid refined sugars which aren't as satisfying). And thats it. Just repeat until you are at your desired weight.
No need to overcomplicate it and there is basically no way you can eat too much protein while dieting.2 -
Thank you Arron_k954..…Thats a good way to understand.... I was lol..ing....because I looked at the charts and went oh my!!!! I appreciated all the information . I was laughing at myself for being a bit slow to understand it all..Thanks again
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Im honestly jealous that you're able to easily eat that much protein lol. I struggle to get mine up. I think that's a good amount!2
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