Can cardio be strength training?
rachseby
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This might be a dumb question, but humor me...I do the elliptical for an hour a day. I put it at a level where I feel a lot of resistance. I also try to use my arms a lot. I feel like the muscles in my arms and legs are more defined. Is this just fat loss, or am I building muscle? By using a higher resistance on the elliptical, am I kind of doing weight training too? Thanks for your input!
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While you may have the resistance up, IMO you're not really doing much in the way of strength training. The muscle definition you're seeing is most likely a result of the fat loss.0
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^^^This.
If you're new to the exercise game, there might be some noob muscle gains, but besides that this fat loss. I'm going to assume that you are eating at a caloric deficit, so you can't really "build" any new muscle.0 -
Any time you change the nature of a cardio exercise, or try a new cardio exercise, there is an adaptive change as your body adjusts to the particular demands of the new exercise. Especially if you are not very strong, you may notice an "increase" in strength--i.e. you may notice some carryover effect in other activities. However, that adaptation is transient, only applies to the unique demands of the cardio movement, and is not a substitute for resistance training.
The same goes for resistance training, except in reverse. If you lift heavy enough to get optimal strength benefits, there is little cardio effect--although someone who did little or no cardio would notice an increase in "aerobic fitness" via the same adaptive process I described above. And if you lower the resistance to increase the aerobic component (e.g. circuit training), then you don't get the full strength training benefits.0 -
^^^This.
If you're new to the exercise game, there might be some noob muscle gains, but besides that this fat loss. I'm going to assume that you are eating at a caloric deficit, so you can't really "build" any new muscle.
If you're working out, eating at a calorie deficit, and consuming enough protein I thought building muscle was possible? Otherwise what's the point of working out besides upping the caloric deficit?
As for OP's question, I'm in the same boat. Jogging stretches are cut short by leg muscle pain not lung distress so I'm hoping I'm building some muscle, otherwise that 5k will never happen!0 -
It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.0 -
I would call it resistance training. To call it weight training I would assume you need to be using something weighted.0
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While you may have the resistance up, IMO you're not really doing much in the way of strength training. The muscle definition you're seeing is most likely a result of the fat loss.
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^^^This.
If you're new to the exercise game, there might be some noob muscle gains, but besides that this fat loss. I'm going to assume that you are eating at a caloric deficit, so you can't really "build" any new muscle.
If you're working out, eating at a calorie deficit, and consuming enough protein I thought building muscle was possible?
Nope. You can increase your strength without increasing muscle mass...THAT would be the point.
Increase in Strength =/= Increase in Muscle Mass.0 -
It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
How did you verify your legs got "larger"?
Distance training isn't going to make your legs bigger...sorry.0 -
^^^This.
If you're new to the exercise game, there might be some noob muscle gains, but besides that this fat loss. I'm going to assume that you are eating at a caloric deficit, so you can't really "build" any new muscle.
If you're working out, eating at a calorie deficit, and consuming enough protein I thought building muscle was possible?
Nope. You can increase your strength without increasing muscle mass...THAT would be the point.
Increase in Strength =/= Increase in Muscle Mass.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm still pretty new to this (It took me awhile to find the motivation, joined date is not start date) so I appreciate it!
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^^^This.
If you're new to the exercise game, there might be some noob muscle gains, but besides that this fat loss. I'm going to assume that you are eating at a caloric deficit, so you can't really "build" any new muscle.
If you're working out, eating at a calorie deficit, and consuming enough protein I thought building muscle was possible?
Nope. You can increase your strength without increasing muscle mass...THAT would be the point.
Increase in Strength =/= Increase in Muscle Mass.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm still pretty new to this (It took me awhile to find the motivation, joined date is not start date) so I appreciate it!
NP...
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It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
Wow. This whole post saddens me. Physical strength and endurance are not even close to being the same thing. It's not even a matter of opinion or perspective. It's science.
We can talk all day about the mental fortitude required to run 26.2 miles without stopping or to sit on a bike for 12 hours, but that is not the same thing as the raw strength of a powerlifter. I'm not saying the latter is superior, more important, or more relevant than the former. I'm saying you're trying to compare apples to bananas.
Also, your legs didn't get bigger from running.
And I don't care what your goals are, if you're a grown man who can't squat more than 100 lbs, that's a problem.0 -
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If you're adding any muscle at all from your elliptical, you'll be pretty much just building endurance (type I muscle fibres).
If you want to get stronger you'll need type II, which you get from weight training, whether that's raw strength reps (1-5 per set) or body builder hypertrophy reps (10-20 per set).0 -
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick.
How did you verify your legs got "larger"?
Distance training isn't going to make your legs bigger...sorry.
As I said, they are not large, they are larger. I can tell mainly by visually looking at them, but I can also tell by how pants and shorts fit now. Clothes that were loose in the thigh and calf area are now tight.And I don't care what your goals are, if you're a grown man who can't squat more than 100 lbs, that's a problem
Why? Its not my goal to lift weights. Can I do more than one rep with more than 100 pounds? Absolutely. To be frank, i have no clue what I can squat now since I haven't been in a gym in months. I get all my exercise on a trail now and feel way better for it. It was attitudes like this that made me quit going to a gym.0 -
It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
Great post. As you can tell by the responses, there is a lot of confusion about "strength". If you think running doesn't involve strength, run ten miles and tell me how you feel the next day. I do think that increasing the resistance on a machine, running hills etc, does build strength. Of course, for some folks if you aren't grunting over a barbell, it isn't strength training. I do both (running, weights), and see value in both.0 -
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick.
How did you verify your legs got "larger"?
Distance training isn't going to make your legs bigger...sorry.
As I said, they are not large, they are larger. I can tell mainly by visually looking at them, but I can also tell by how pants and shorts fit now. Clothes that were loose in the thigh and calf area are now tight.And I don't care what your goals are, if you're a grown man who can't squat more than 100 lbs, that's a problem
Why? Its not my goal to lift weights. Can I do more than one rep with more than 100 pounds? Absolutely. To be frank, i have no clue what I can squat now since I haven't been in a gym in months. I get all my exercise on a trail now and feel way better for it. It was attitudes like this that made me quit going to a gym.
Sorry, but distance running isn't going to make your legs bigger. They may be retaining water for repair post exercise, but they aren't "getting bigger".0 -
If you think running doesn't involve strength, run ten miles and tell me how you feel the next day. I do think that increasing the resistance on a machine, running hills etc, does build strength. Of course, for some folks if you aren't grunting over a barbell, it isn't strength training. I do both (running, weights), and see value in both.
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It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
If you think running doesn't involve strength, run ten miles and tell me how you feel the next day.
Much better than the day after leg day.0 -
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick.
How did you verify your legs got "larger"?
Distance training isn't going to make your legs bigger...sorry.
As I said, they are not large, they are larger. I can tell mainly by visually looking at them, but I can also tell by how pants and shorts fit now. Clothes that were loose in the thigh and calf area are now tight.And I don't care what your goals are, if you're a grown man who can't squat more than 100 lbs, that's a problem
Why? Its not my goal to lift weights. Can I do more than one rep with more than 100 pounds? Absolutely. To be frank, i have no clue what I can squat now since I haven't been in a gym in months. I get all my exercise on a trail now and feel way better for it. It was attitudes like this that made me quit going to a gym.
Sorry, but distance running isn't going to make your legs bigger. They may be retaining water for repair post exercise, but they aren't "getting bigger".
Run the hills in my area, and you will change your mind. My calves have certainly grow, but maybe I am a special snowflake. 0 -
Sorry, but distance running isn't going to make your legs bigger. They may be retaining water for repair post exercise, but they aren't "getting bigger".
If I had started out being relatively in shape before I started running I would be inclined to agree with you. However, you have to bear in mind that I lost nearly half of my weight in the process. The only thing my leg muscles were used for beforehand was moving my fat *kitten* around. My legs absolutely got bigger, and no, its not water retention. I wish I had some good before shots so I could show you but all the ones I have I am wearing sorta long shorts that cover my thighs and most of my calves.0 -
It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
If you think running doesn't involve strength, run ten miles and tell me how you feel the next day.
Much better than the day after leg day.
if you say it, it must be true...having done both, I beg to differ.0 -
It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
If you think running doesn't involve strength, run ten miles and tell me how you feel the next day.
Much better than the day after leg day.
if you say it, it must be true...having done both, I beg to differ.
Having done both as well, I would also beg to differ
Fun how that works.0 -
It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
If you think running doesn't involve strength, run ten miles and tell me how you feel the next day.
Much better than the day after leg day.
if you say it, it must be true...having done both, I beg to differ.
Having done both as well, I would also beg to differ
Fun how that works.
As have I .. RG would be correct.0 -
Sorry, but distance running isn't going to make your legs bigger. They may be retaining water for repair post exercise, but they aren't "getting bigger".
If I had started out being relatively in shape before I started running I would be inclined to agree with you. However, you have to bear in mind that I lost nearly half of my weight in the process. The only thing my leg muscles were used for beforehand was moving my fat *kitten* around. My legs absolutely got bigger, and no, its not water retention. I wish I had some good before shots so I could show you but all the ones I have I am wearing sorta long shorts that cover my thighs and most of my calves.
Special Snowflake I guess.... Since you were losing weight, I'm going out on a limb it was at a caloric deficit. Pretty impressive to build visual amounts of gains that way...especially only running.0 -
It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
If you think running doesn't involve strength, run ten miles and tell me how you feel the next day.
Much better than the day after leg day.
Run 10 miles and report back.0 -
Fat loss. While there's resistance, it's obviously a resistance you can handle for an hour. No lactic acid threshold so you're using a different muscle fiber (endurance).This might be a dumb question, but humor me...I do the elliptical for an hour a day. I put it at a level where I feel a lot of resistance. I also try to use my arms a lot. I feel like the muscles in my arms and legs are more defined. Is this just fat loss, or am I building muscle? By using a higher resistance on the elliptical, am I kind of doing weight training too? Thanks for your input!
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Any time you change the nature of a cardio exercise, or try a new cardio exercise, there is an adaptive change as your body adjusts to the particular demands of the new exercise. Especially if you are not very strong, you may notice an "increase" in strength--i.e. you may notice some carryover effect in other activities. However, that adaptation is transient, only applies to the unique demands of the cardio movement, and is not a substitute for resistance training.
The same goes for resistance training, except in reverse. If you lift heavy enough to get optimal strength benefits, there is little cardio effect--although someone who did little or no cardio would notice an increase in "aerobic fitness" via the same adaptive process I described above. And if you lower the resistance to increase the aerobic component (e.g. circuit training), then you don't get the full strength training benefits.
This is pretty much all you need to know.
Trying to mix the two will lead to results but they will be transient and dliuted.0 -
You're actually speaking of "muscular endurance" and not strength here.It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
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It depends on how you define strength. If you define strength as the ability to run for 10 miles, then yes, cardio will build strength. If you are talking about being able to lift a car, then no, cardio is not going to build strength.
Since I started running my legs have gotten quite large and very well defined. However, if you put me next to a body builder I would look like a stick. I can maybe squat 100 pounds but I can run for 10 miles without stopping. It depends on how you define strength. I decided a while back that marathon runners are stronger than body builders so that has been my focus but others will almost certainly disagree with me on that. Its all about perspective and personal opinion.
If you think running doesn't involve strength, run ten miles and tell me how you feel the next day.
Much better than the day after leg day.
Run 10 miles and report back.
I love when people don't bother to read the rest of the posts before they chime in.0
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