Confused??? I Need clear cut answers not opinions
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abneyhakeem89 wrote: »I'm going to be totally honest ..I'm not off to a good start as far as food selection for today. Definitely regretting having that Cheeseburger especially right after eating a PB & J. Does exercise calories not matter If I go over my calories goal of 2,800?
I plan to burn at least 1,200 calories today but i'm trying to figure out why doesn't that count? I've been told that If I eat over 2,800 calories and burn 1,200 of them I still will not lose weight.. I will be just maintaining my weight. Someone let me know
By the way for dinner I plan on eating pot roast and mixed vegetables
Who told you that? If you NET 2800 calories per day,and your measurement of those calories is correct, you will definitely lose weight. I think someone who doesn't understand how weight loss works may have your ear.
That being said...the salt in those two meals has probably already toppled your sodium limit and you haven't even thought about dinner yet.0 -
Going over one day is not a big deal, it happens. Persistence is the key. You will never be perfect but over time the sensible days will outweigh the days you ate too much.1
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abneyhakeem89 wrote: »This is what the user sent me in a message
"I am worried about you. Please reevaluate your eating. Just because you exercise and fitness pal adds extra calories to your food diary doesn't mean you should eat extra it means you are burning up what you have eaten. I want to help you get on a track that will work for you. What do you think is your worst problem you are dealing with? Most of this is a mind set. Please I want to help you however I can. You are too nice of a looking young man to carry all these extra burdens. Maryanne
I did some google research and it looks like you should be eating from 2000 to 2400 calories per day regardless of how much exercise you do. Fitness pal confuses people by adding calories according to exercise. Exercising uses up the calories you are eating and adding more calories because you exercised does no more than maintain your weight rather than cause you to lose. Your sodium is really high and when we are as heavy as we are our fat cells absorbs the salt and we retain water twice as fast as someone trying to lose 50 pounds. I totally understand the portions and feeling hungry. When I was your age I weighed over 400 pounds, loved to eat and could eat two barbecued chickens, a big bag of cheetos and a six pack of grapette pop in one sitting. It is a mind set. Not an easy one. I still have lots of bad days. I have lost almost 70 pounds since I started on May 5th. I have done that by changing everything about how I eat. I eat lots and lots of vegetables, no fried food, no bread and no butter. I know you can do this, you just have to figure out what your own magic bullet is. If I can help with food selection, portion control or anything else, I am happy to do that for you.
I'm sorry, but you will not lose weight at 3000 calories a day unless you are working out all day long. It is hard to stay on a diet and on track but I am worried for you. You have too many temptations in your house and your portions leave me worried about you. I would love to help you but you also need to want to help yourself. I know you can do this but it take lots of effort. I feel like a momma shaking my finger at a child that you have done something very wrong and you will have to forgive me for that. If I upset you I am sorry and you are more than welcome to delete me as a friend if you don't feel that I am trying to help you. Please, please evaluate what you are eating. You can do this but it will take more effort that you are currently putting in. Maryanne
Right. You are maintaining, not losing....you have to burn more calories than you are taking in. According to my research, no matter how much you exercise you still should only be taking in no more than 2500 calories a day for your weight and age. "
That is what she told me...
This user doesn't understand how MFP works. MFP uses the NEAT method, so it sets goals based without exercise. Exercise uses energy, extra energy that is not included in your goal, therefore in order to maintain the set deficit, you should be eating at least some exercise calories.
If you were using the TDEE method, then no, you wouldn't eat back exercise because it would already be included in your calorie goal.
I guess the other question to ask, is when you set up MFP, did you manually set your goal to 2800 or did MFP do this? And what do you have your daily activity set to?
Edit to add: I eat my exercise calories. I lose as expected and have done since I started 555 days ago.4 -
abneyhakeem89 wrote: »DawnNathan wrote: »If your MFP daily calorie goal is 2800 that is the number you need to stay at or under to lose weight.
If you eat 3200 cals and burn 1,200 cals your deficit for the day will be 800 over the intended built in deficit.
Here's the equation 2800 food allowed + 1200 exercise calories earned = 4,000 available cals for the day. If you only eat 3,200 of cals available you end up 800 cals below what you were allowed on top of the built in deficit that MFP already gave you. Hope this helps. Feel free to friend me.
I understood the first part but the last two sentences threw me off. I'm just going to not eat dinner tonight and stay under 2,500 calories for rest of day
No need to skip dinner!! The person who sent that email doesn't understand how MFP is set up.
Ignore the discussion in here about TDEE and the rest; if you're confused right now those things will only confuse you further. Trust MFP. You gave it your personal information and it gave you a calorie goal of 2800. That means you should eat 2800 calories per day for a 1000 calorie deficit each day which should have you on track to lose 2 pounds per week. All of that is understood, right?
So now you do exercise. You were planning on exercising 1200 calories above and beyond what you would have burned if you'd spent the day sitting on the sofa, right? That means you can eat 2800 + 1200 calories today. That's 4000 calories!! If you eat 4000 calories today you'll still be at a 1000 calorie deficit for the day and still be on track to lose 2 pounds per week. MFP is designed so that you already have your 1000 calorie deficit as a goal. When you exercise you burn extra calories and you're supposed to eat those calories so that you MAINTAIN the 1000 calorie deficit. Calories eaten - exercise = goal calories
Use MFP. Enter your food, enter your exercise and trust the numbers. Right now you have enough weight to lose that if you stick to those numbers you'll lose weight. It will get more complicated later on as you get closer to a healthy weight but you'll learn as you go along. By the time you hit your first plateau you'll have learned a little more about how your body works and some of the science behind weight loss so that you can make adjustments. Speaking of adjustments... every 10 or 20 pounds be sure to revisit your profile and update your current weight so your calorie goal is adjusted downward. The less you weigh, the less you can eat and still lose weight.
Good luck!!0 -
Who is "she"?1
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I agree, when you're just starting out don't try and do complicated stuff, just use the numbers mfp gives you, log what you eat, log your exercise and try not to let the number go red. If it does, hey, tomorrow is another day.
Leave the fancy stuff for a few months down the line when you've got the hang of the basics. It's really not as complicated as people make it sound, it's just a way of eating less and moving more, that's all.1 -
TavistockToad wrote: »Who is "she"?
Maryanne is at the bottom of the message?0 -
abneyhakeem89 wrote: »This is what the user sent me in a message
"I am worried about you. Please reevaluate your eating. Just because you exercise and fitness pal adds extra calories to your food diary doesn't mean you should eat extra it means you are burning up what you have eaten. I want to help you get on a track that will work for you. What do you think is your worst problem you are dealing with? Most of this is a mind set. Please I want to help you however I can. You are too nice of a looking young man to carry all these extra burdens. Maryanne
I did some google research and it looks like you should be eating from 2000 to 2400 calories per day regardless of how much exercise you do. Fitness pal confuses people by adding calories according to exercise. Exercising uses up the calories you are eating and adding more calories because you exercised does no more than maintain your weight rather than cause you to lose. Your sodium is really high and when we are as heavy as we are our fat cells absorbs the salt and we retain water twice as fast as someone trying to lose 50 pounds. I totally understand the portions and feeling hungry. When I was your age I weighed over 400 pounds, loved to eat and could eat two barbecued chickens, a big bag of cheetos and a six pack of grapette pop in one sitting. It is a mind set. Not an easy one. I still have lots of bad days. I have lost almost 70 pounds since I started on May 5th. I have done that by changing everything about how I eat. I eat lots and lots of vegetables, no fried food, no bread and no butter. I know you can do this, you just have to figure out what your own magic bullet is. If I can help with food selection, portion control or anything else, I am happy to do that for you.
I'm sorry, but you will not lose weight at 3000 calories a day unless you are working out all day long. It is hard to stay on a diet and on track but I am worried for you. You have too many temptations in your house and your portions leave me worried about you. I would love to help you but you also need to want to help yourself. I know you can do this but it take lots of effort. I feel like a momma shaking my finger at a child that you have done something very wrong and you will have to forgive me for that. If I upset you I am sorry and you are more than welcome to delete me as a friend if you don't feel that I am trying to help you. Please, please evaluate what you are eating. You can do this but it will take more effort that you are currently putting in. Maryanne
Right. You are maintaining, not losing....you have to burn more calories than you are taking in. According to my research, no matter how much you exercise you still should only be taking in no more than 2500 calories a day for your weight and age. "
That is what she told me...
This person (who is just another MFP user, no special qualifications) may be trying to help, but she just isn't right. The idea that nobody, no matter their activity level, will lose weight if they eat more than 2,500 just isn't accurate. Anyone telling you that you should eat "x" regardless of activity just doesn't understand how weight loss works.
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Be careful of internet 'experts'. Do some research to understand what your body needs in terms of calories. MFP does much of this work for you, but if you're confused you may find learning how/why your body uses energy will clear some of that up.
Our bodies use energy just to function. For things like digesting food, pumping blood & oxygen, etc. How much a body uses is based on size, gender and somewhat affected by age. A larger body uses more energy than a smaller body. If all else is equal, a male tends to use more than a female. (I think because men naturally have a higher % of muscle but I'm not entirely sure of the rationale behind that.) Then we also use energy to move thru our day. More or less depending on the lifestyle of course. MFP estimates the bodily function + daily activity energy use when we enter our stats: gender, age, weight, height and choose an activity level. We burn additional energy when we exercise. How much is hard to know for sure, and its easy to overestimate. But it is still a factor of gender and size.
If you google your BMR - this is an approximation of how much your body uses for bodily functions. Add 15-25% (conservative amount) if you are not very active. This is a good starting base # for how much energy your body uses in a day. From your statement, I assume this is about 3800. If so, that means if you eat under 3800: you should lose weight. 2800 is a goal for losing 2 pounds/week on average. Keep in mind it is an estimate, and losing weight is over time. You won't see a change each day. Water weight can mask results, so check your weight once a week, or once a month and compare the trend over time.
If you do exercise, you can use those calories burned to eat more than the MFP recommendation. Just be careful not to overcompensate. You may think you're burning 1200 in exercise but machines and such tend to give unrealistic burn #s. Consider eating back a portion of those earned calories to avoid eating too much.0 -
abneyhakeem89 wrote: »This is what the user sent me in a message
"I am worried about you. Please reevaluate your eating. Just because you exercise and fitness pal adds extra calories to your food diary doesn't mean you should eat extra it means you are burning up what you have eaten. I want to help you get on a track that will work for you. What do you think is your worst problem you are dealing with? Most of this is a mind set. Please I want to help you however I can. You are too nice of a looking young man to carry all these extra burdens. Maryanne
I did some google research and it looks like you should be eating from 2000 to 2400 calories per day regardless of how much exercise you do. Fitness pal confuses people by adding calories according to exercise. Exercising uses up the calories you are eating and adding more calories because you exercised does no more than maintain your weight rather than cause you to lose. Your sodium is really high and when we are as heavy as we are our fat cells absorbs the salt and we retain water twice as fast as someone trying to lose 50 pounds. I totally understand the portions and feeling hungry. When I was your age I weighed over 400 pounds, loved to eat and could eat two barbecued chickens, a big bag of cheetos and a six pack of grapette pop in one sitting. It is a mind set. Not an easy one. I still have lots of bad days. I have lost almost 70 pounds since I started on May 5th. I have done that by changing everything about how I eat. I eat lots and lots of vegetables, no fried food, no bread and no butter. I know you can do this, you just have to figure out what your own magic bullet is. If I can help with food selection, portion control or anything else, I am happy to do that for you.
I'm sorry, but you will not lose weight at 3000 calories a day unless you are working out all day long. It is hard to stay on a diet and on track but I am worried for you. You have too many temptations in your house and your portions leave me worried about you. I would love to help you but you also need to want to help yourself. I know you can do this but it take lots of effort. I feel like a momma shaking my finger at a child that you have done something very wrong and you will have to forgive me for that. If I upset you I am sorry and you are more than welcome to delete me as a friend if you don't feel that I am trying to help you. Please, please evaluate what you are eating. You can do this but it will take more effort that you are currently putting in. Maryanne
Right. You are maintaining, not losing....you have to burn more calories than you are taking in. According to my research, no matter how much you exercise you still should only be taking in no more than 2500 calories a day for your weight and age. "
That is what she told me...
Yeah, she is wrong.
I mean this is pretty simple math really. I'm going to make up some numbers so no need to correct the numbers I chose if they are off, its the process that is important.
Lets say you maintain at 3800 calories and you want to lose 2 pounds per week. That means you should eat 1000 calories less than your maintenance which would be 2800 calories. Lets say your maintenance is based on you being sedentary but in addition to restricting your calories you want to start working out regularly so you take daily walks for 1 hour at a time. On this 1 hour walk you burn 400 calories. That means that with those walks your maintenance is now 4200, 3800 (what is was without that activity) + 400 calories (the extra from your activity). To lose 2 pounds per week you would therefore want to eat 3200 calories, 1000 less than 4200 your new maintenance. That basically means you eat back what you burned in exercise.
That is how MFP works. You provide it your information, it calculates what you should maintain at. You tell it how much you want to lose, it subtracts from that number to give you your goal. If you exercise then that is going to increase your deficit and if you want to maintain a specific deficit then you eat back those calories.
People seem to think dieting is about eating as little as you can force yourself to eat while exercising as hard as you can force yourself to do and frankly that is just a recipe for early burn-out and quitting. Better to set yourself a reasonable deficit and adjust your calories by eating more if you exercise above your normal level.3 -
@SueInAz You just won MVP #Salute finally it has been broken down in every layer. I will ensure you that I eat no more then 2,800 calories. Out of the 28 days I've been on this amazing site. I've only eaten over 2,500 calories 7 times not including today(If I decide to eat again) The highest I've eaten was 3,200. An you can gurantee I burn at the least 400 calories a day. An lately I've been burning over 1,000 calories due to eating big meals. Now one thing I can't dispute. I consume too much sodium particularly bread,chips and processed meat.1 -
Thank you to everyone especially the ones that has commented on my posts before. Just thank you for patience and understanding an most importantly the information.I'm truly humbled and focused, although I continue to make the same mistakes as far as food choices . I'm so thankful to you all that this has been the most active I've ever been since high school. An I'm focusing on continuing the streak and just started incorporating dumbbells and curls as workout. It was because of you gals/guys that I decided to go check myself out in hospital and figure out what's my issues and weight etc. So once again thank you!!
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OP. Reading this thread and your others I'm not sure you're getting how MFP works.
I think the easiest thing to do in this situation is to forget about logging exercise, eating back calories and net calories.
Choose a reasonable calorie goal, say 3000, log your intake accurately and monitor trends in weight over a sustained period. Adjust this calorie goal dependant on results.
Exercise regularly for fitness and enjoyment.0 -
abneyhakeem89 wrote: »@SueInAz You just won MVP #Salute finally it has been broken down in every layer. I will ensure you that I eat no more then 2,800 calories. Out of the 28 days I've been on this amazing site. I've only eaten over 2,500 calories 7 times not including today(If I decide to eat again) The highest I've eaten was 3,200. An you can gurantee I burn at the least 400 calories a day. An lately I've been burning over 1,000 calories due to eating big meals. Now one thing I can't dispute. I consume too much sodium particularly bread,chips and processed meat.
I fear you've not understood her entirely. 2800 should be your MINIMUM. If you exercise, you get to eat more.2 -
Keep in mind someone with a substantial amount of weight to lose may be able to safely aim for more than 2 pounds per week. The rule of thumb is 2 pounds or 1% of body weight. If 3800 cals is maintenance, I am guessing OP weighs more than 200. So eating 2500, if this is filling and leaves one feeling energetic, should not be a problem.1
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StaciMarie1974 wrote: »Keep in mind someone with a substantial amount of weight to lose may be able to safely aim for more than 2 pounds per week. The rule of thumb is 2 pounds or 1% of body weight. If 3800 cals is maintenance, I am guessing OP weighs more than 200. So eating 2500, if this is filling and leaves one feeling energetic, should not be a problem.
I agree but I do think it's important OP understands the absolute basics.1 -
As someone who started at almost 400lbs and is now 190ish... do not starve yourself when you start this journey. Yes you need to eat less, but you still need to fuel your body, especially if you are working out. Baby steps... it's a marathon, not a sprint. Do it the right way and your body will thank you later.3
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One thing that was mentioned but kind of buried in this thread, How are you calculating the 1200 calories from your workout? Just about every method out there used to calculate calories burned during a workout overestimate by quite a bit... if your equipment says you burned 1200, I would tell you to assume less, at least 75% of that, most people say to go 50%. Go with 600-800 calories burned instead of 1200 for a total daily calorie intake of 3400-3600.0
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abneyhakeem89 wrote: »DawnNathan wrote: »If your MFP daily calorie goal is 2800 that is the number you need to stay at or under to lose weight.
If you eat 3200 cals and burn 1,200 cals your deficit for the day will be 800 over the intended built in deficit.
Here's the equation 2800 food allowed + 1200 exercise calories earned = 4,000 available cals for the day. If you only eat 3,200 of cals available you end up 800 cals below what you were allowed on top of the built in deficit that MFP already gave you. Hope this helps. Feel free to friend me.
I understood the first part but the last two sentences threw me off. I'm just going to not eat dinner tonight and stay under 2,500 calories for rest of day
Please don't do this! EAT dinner tonite, eat that roast, and the veggies, and you enjoy them!!! Log them, and start again tomorrow! Your body WON'T thank you for going without.....0 -
You know what? Not all advice is necessary. I'd tell your "friend" that you got this figured out, to worry about their OWN plate!1
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abneyhakeem89 wrote: »Thank you to everyone especially the ones that has commented on my posts before. Just thank you for patience and understanding an most importantly the information.I'm truly humbled and focused, although I continue to make the same mistakes as far as food choices . I'm so thankful to you all that this has been the most active I've ever been since high school. An I'm focusing on continuing the streak and just started incorporating dumbbells and curls as workout. It was because of you gals/guys that I decided to go check myself out in hospital and figure out what's my issues and weight etc. So once again thank you!!
You're welcome! I've been using MFP since 2011 and I learn something new every time I come into these boards. There's a lot of misinformation out there with regards to weight loss and there are a lot of people trying to separate the ignorant from their cash by offering them the quick fix to lose weight. The truth it takes time and some sacrifice and then it takes vigilance and dedication to keep the weight off going forward.
Try not to worry so much about the food choices. It matters much less how many calories you're eating than what specific foods you're eating. There's nothing wrong with cheeseburgers, ice cream and beer as long as they fit into your goals. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that you need to avoid those types of things to lose weight, because you don't. Just be sure to log everything you eat, good and bad, and to stay close to your calorie goal as often as possible.VintageFeline wrote: »abneyhakeem89 wrote: »@SueInAz You just won MVP #Salute finally it has been broken down in every layer. I will ensure you that I eat no more then 2,800 calories. Out of the 28 days I've been on this amazing site. I've only eaten over 2,500 calories 7 times not including today(If I decide to eat again) The highest I've eaten was 3,200. An you can gurantee I burn at the least 400 calories a day. An lately I've been burning over 1,000 calories due to eating big meals. Now one thing I can't dispute. I consume too much sodium particularly bread,chips and processed meat.
I fear you've not understood her entirely. 2800 should be your MINIMUM. If you exercise, you get to eat more.
True. You should be eating around 2800 calories every day plus some of your exercise calories, not 2500 or less. Eating too little over a long period of time will do more harm than good. There's a reason MFP won't allow you to choose a deficit greater than 1000 calories per day. Losing more than 1% of your body weight each week causes more loss of lean muscle than is necessary. You mentioned that you're lifting weights some which is awesome because that will help you to maintain more of the muscle you already have while you lose fat. However, if you're not eating enough you're undoing some of that effort.2 -
She is wrong, I lose eating a lot more than she is telling you to eat.
This is getting way to hard for you.
If you don't excercise eat at 2800 calories a day. If you excercise add a portion of those calories on to he 2800 and eat that much for the day. I say a portion and not all, because most people way over estimate how much they are burning, because it gives them an excuse to eat more.
Stop being so dramatic about this. If you go over on a day it is ok, it's not going to derail the whole process. Don't skip a meal, because you had a cheeseburger earlier, just eat less at dinner if you want, or less the next day, and stop expecting to lose weight everyday, it's a long process that takes time, and there will be lots of fluctuations. There is a lot of good information on here! Oh and don't listen to the person on messaged you directly, they don't sound like they are helping, and maybe want to sell you some terrible on-line training program. You can do this my friend, just breath it will work out!
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