Low fat diets are a sham

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  • kshatriyo
    kshatriyo Posts: 134 Member
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    On the other hand, reducing fat is something I did when losing weight and it resulted in a MORE satiating diet for me, since experimentation shows that adding more olive oil/butter than I need, eating fattier meats, or full fat dairy doesn't make a meal more satisfying or filling for me. (Including good cheese and some delicious foods like ice cream does make my diet overall more sustainable, though, and so does steak and lamb chops, etc.) Mostly what I do is reduce oils/fattier cuts of meat (didn't eat these on a regular basis anyway, though), use cheese more sparingly, reduce extras (like fried things, sweets, restaurant foods) which tend to have lots of fat, among other things, and reduce starches that I don't care about but sometimes eat mindlessly (overly large servings of pasta and rice, bread on the table, a sandwich when I'd rather have it without the bread, a meal with two starch courses, like bread AND potatoes) -- none of that was a regular issue for me, but could be something especially when going out that I'd consume without thinking.

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    I think that unless somebody is really aiming for a ketogenic diet in order to lose weight or control cravings that a high fat diet is probably no better than any other high calories diet. So, yes, if somebody isn't interested in a ketogenic lifestyle, a very easy way to reduce calories (which the vast majority of westerners benefit from), is to cut out the fat without compromising the benefits of soluble fiber, complex carbs, Etc.

  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    Seriously, here's a very long but good read about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Don't be put off by the title of the blog. This woman knows what she's talking about and cites good sources:

    https://rawfoodsos.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/



    What an interesting read. The Kempner rice and sugar diet and the results his patients were able to achieve need to be plastered all over every single "sugar/carb make you fat" thread as an example of how a reduced calorie diet results in weight loss regardless of macros or sugar content.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    amusedmonkey wrote: »
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    Seriously, here's a very long but good read about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Don't be put off by the title of the blog. This woman knows what she's talking about and cites good sources:

    https://rawfoodsos.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/



    What an interesting read. The Kempner rice and sugar diet and the results his patients were able to achieve need to be plastered all over every single "sugar/carb make you fat" thread as an example of how a reduced calorie diet results in weight loss regardless of macros or sugar content.

    I hesitate to bring Kempner into discussions because he was a thoroughly horrible human being.

    Still, the results speak for themselves.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    kshatriyo wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    kshatriyo wrote: »
    It also helps that the US government subsidizes the sugar and high carb food industries, who in turn are able to fund the studies of these so-called experts with big titles.

    So the government is subsidizing my legumes and lentils and whatnot? I eat a substantially plant based diet...I'm pretty friggin' healthy...

    No, allow me to rephrase: simple carb:-) Better now??? thanks!

    So all the fruit I eat then.... Gotcha.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    There should probably be a separate thread on ag subsidies, in all seriousness (there are some like @tomteboda who may wish to comment, as I know she's had things to say in the past).

    However, the idea that ag subsidies and carbs go along with each other ignores how a lot of the products of industrial farming are actually used. For example, my state has endless fields of alternating soybeans and corn, but that doesn't become tofu or edamame or even corn on the cob (oh, the horror of all those carbs!). It feeds livestock (and is a part of why meat in the US is comparatively cheap), it's made into oil and used in lots of processed products (that are often as high in fat as carbs). And sure, it's in HFCS, which is in soda, but it's not like the gov't was ever, for one instant, promoting high soda diets (back when low fat was actually pushed people also drank less soda--for example, in the '80s when I was a kid it was a special treat, not something you'd drink all day, especially not kids).
  • crzycatlady1
    crzycatlady1 Posts: 1,930 Member
    fibonacci11235 wrote: »
    http://time.com/96626/6-facts-about-saturated-fat-that-will-astound-you/


    No single study has ever conclusively proven that increased fat intake leads to cardiac events. Sure, fatty foods have a lot of calories and can make you gain weight, but that's it if you can't control your portions. In fact, consuming fatty foods often makes you feel more satiated than when you consume low fat foods filled with sugar. The government and nutritionists have demonized fats for decades based on faulty conclusions and weak science, and since that time food makers have made everything low in fats and replaced them with sugar. The result has been an upward trend in obesity that keeps on continuing. No thanks. You'll find full fat whole milk yogurt, cheese, butter, bacon, and the like in my fridge. I don't feel guilty about eating them at all either and lost 16 lbs with portion control and exercise.

    I've lost 50lbs while eating fatty AND sugary foods, it's a win win :D
  • BrunetteRunner87
    BrunetteRunner87 Posts: 591 Member
    Of course people CAN lose weight if they eat low fat, but I don't prefer that. I've switched to full-fat foods and I feel so much fuller for longer than when I was on the eat as many veggies and as much protein as you can train. Plus I think fats make food taste so much better, it's much easier for me to stick to a diet with fat.
  • rprr
    rprr Posts: 28 Member
    Different strokes and all that ...

    Fatty foods used to taste good but usually made me feel sick and bloated. Veggies and whole grain foods easily fill me up without any of the nasty side effects.

    Do what works for you.
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