Weekly Workout Split
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trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Ab training for the most part is not worth doing.
Why?
Larger waist, minimal hypertrophy, wasted time.
I seem to have gotten a smaller waist from ab work. My waist is much smaller in proportion to my bust and hips than it has ever been in my life (ETA: my teen/adult/into middle-age life, I mean). I don't know about the hypertrophy, no idea.
This is because you have lost fat not because of the ab work.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Ab training for the most part is not worth doing.
Why?
Larger waist, minimal hypertrophy, wasted time.
Depends what you are doing as far as that goes, but you train the waist to be smaller not larger is the general idea. For me, core training is very essential because I'm training in boxing and Muay Thai and being able to resist body shots is pretty important. For someone who is bodybuilding it's minimally important since you can get the abs training you need from the isometrics in squats, deads, etc.
I don't understand how you'd train your waist to get smaller. Does exercising the muscles in that area have an ahypertrophic effect?0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Ab training for the most part is not worth doing.
Why?
Larger waist, minimal hypertrophy, wasted time.
Depends what you are doing as far as that goes, but you train the waist to be smaller not larger is the general idea. For me, core training is very essential because I'm training in boxing and Muay Thai and being able to resist body shots is pretty important. For someone who is bodybuilding it's minimally important since you can get the abs training you need from the isometrics in squats, deads, etc.
I don't understand how you'd train your waist to get smaller. Does exercising the muscles in that area have an ahypertrophic effect?
It's actually a roundabout thing to train the waist to get smaller. There isn't much muscle to work around the waist, except in the lower back but that doesn't appear when you are facing head on; check out the waist size of pro body builders at competition time and you'll see that they have small waists even at over 200 pounds. The heads of the abs are also very small muscles, which is why you need to remove so much bodyfat just to see them. When people work their abs they generally want that tapered appearance so really they want to lose body fat more than gain muscle size.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Ab training for the most part is not worth doing.
Why?
Larger waist, minimal hypertrophy, wasted time.
Depends what you are doing as far as that goes, but you train the waist to be smaller not larger is the general idea. For me, core training is very essential because I'm training in boxing and Muay Thai and being able to resist body shots is pretty important. For someone who is bodybuilding it's minimally important since you can get the abs training you need from the isometrics in squats, deads, etc.
I don't understand how you'd train your waist to get smaller. Does exercising the muscles in that area have an ahypertrophic effect?
It's actually a roundabout thing to train the waist to get smaller. There isn't much muscle to work around the waist, except in the lower back but that doesn't appear when you are facing head on; check out the waist size of pro body builders at competition time and you'll see that they have small waists even at over 200 pounds. The heads of the abs are also very small muscles, which is why you need to remove so much bodyfat just to see them. When people work their abs they generally want that tapered appearance so really they want to lose body fat more than gain muscle size.
I must have misunderstood you then. I thought you were saying that *you* train the waist to be smaller. I need coffee...0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Ab training for the most part is not worth doing.
Why?
Larger waist, minimal hypertrophy, wasted time.
Depends what you are doing as far as that goes, but you train the waist to be smaller not larger is the general idea. For me, core training is very essential because I'm training in boxing and Muay Thai and being able to resist body shots is pretty important. For someone who is bodybuilding it's minimally important since you can get the abs training you need from the isometrics in squats, deads, etc.
I don't understand how you'd train your waist to get smaller. Does exercising the muscles in that area have an ahypertrophic effect?
It's actually a roundabout thing to train the waist to get smaller. There isn't much muscle to work around the waist, except in the lower back but that doesn't appear when you are facing head on; check out the waist size of pro body builders at competition time and you'll see that they have small waists even at over 200 pounds. The heads of the abs are also very small muscles, which is why you need to remove so much bodyfat just to see them. When people work their abs they generally want that tapered appearance so really they want to lose body fat more than gain muscle size.
I must have misunderstood you then. I thought you were saying that *you* train the waist to be smaller. I need coffee...
I'll take 2 cream and 2 sugar if you're going that way.
If I said "you" it was the general "you" as in people lol, I tend to do that. 0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Ab training for the most part is not worth doing.
Why?
Larger waist, minimal hypertrophy, wasted time.
Depends what you are doing as far as that goes, but you train the waist to be smaller not larger is the general idea. For me, core training is very essential because I'm training in boxing and Muay Thai and being able to resist body shots is pretty important. For someone who is bodybuilding it's minimally important since you can get the abs training you need from the isometrics in squats, deads, etc.
I don't understand how you'd train your waist to get smaller. Does exercising the muscles in that area have an ahypertrophic effect?
It's actually a roundabout thing to train the waist to get smaller. There isn't much muscle to work around the waist, except in the lower back but that doesn't appear when you are facing head on; check out the waist size of pro body builders at competition time and you'll see that they have small waists even at over 200 pounds. The heads of the abs are also very small muscles, which is why you need to remove so much bodyfat just to see them. When people work their abs they generally want that tapered appearance so really they want to lose body fat more than gain muscle size.
I must have misunderstood you then. I thought you were saying that *you* train the waist to be smaller. I need coffee...
I'll take 2 cream and 2 sugar if you're going that way. If I said "you" it was the general "you" as in people lol, I tend to do that.
Yeah I'm not sure why I took you saying "you" to mean you personally, when you would have need to say "I" for that. 3 cups of coffee later and it's making sense now
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trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Ab training for the most part is not worth doing.
Why?
Larger waist, minimal hypertrophy, wasted time.
I seem to have gotten a smaller waist from ab work. My waist is much smaller in proportion to my bust and hips than it has ever been in my life (ETA: my teen/adult/into middle-age life, I mean). I don't know about the hypertrophy, no idea.
This is because you have lost fat not because of the ab work.
Again...even at 50 lbs. less than I am now, when I'm guessing I had less fat than now, I never had this large a difference, percentage-wise, between my waist and my hips/thighs. Ever. I have NEVER, not all the way up to this weight nor all the way down before I got here, from 95 lbs. in high school all the way to 212 last year, been able to wear pants that fit in the waist but weren't baggy through all the rest of me (or what I did in my vain younger years was literally to suck in at the waist and breathe shallowly so my pants would fit in the thighs, butt, etc. - everything was so tight in the waist) because of my larger-size, comparatively, waist. Never until I started working out with a concentration on abs. And it's not even a ridiculous concentration. I'm not a gym rat (I wish I had that dedication). This is literally standing with weights and other types of at-home work, the one thing I'd really never tried before; I just figured, "oh, I have a big waist, there are worse things" and left it at that, until finally I decided to experiment. If it's a byproduct of working all my muscles as stated above, I still don't see that as a waste of time...I enjoy the exercises, and I'm getting something out of them, and it's not hours of my day where I could be curing cancer instead, so I'm good with it.
And if my organs are enlarging (I had to look up that one term...had never heard of it), I haven't noticed it, nor has my physician. All seems well with me physically. More than well; great, actually.
I mean what can I say? This is my experience. My measurable experience.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Ab training for the most part is not worth doing.
Why?
Larger waist, minimal hypertrophy, wasted time.
Depends what you are doing as far as that goes, but you train the waist to be smaller not larger is the general idea. For me, core training is very essential because I'm training in boxing and Muay Thai and being able to resist body shots is pretty important. For someone who is bodybuilding it's minimally important since you can get the abs training you need from the isometrics in squats, deads, etc.
I don't understand how you'd train your waist to get smaller. Does exercising the muscles in that area have an ahypertrophic effect?
Isn't this pretty simple? Suck in your waist right now. It's a little smaller, right? When your muscles are in a tense/turgid rather than flabby state (sorry, I know absolutely none of the actual terms, LOL), yes, it's all smaller. And when you exercise your muscles they're always in that...ughhhhhh, I just can't remember the word for it. That constantly slightly tensed state.
Am I wrong about this? Maybe this is just mythology I've heard. I always thought when people say they want to get "tighter" this is what they mean. You can still have the fat but measure smaller. I definitely am...I am in a size smaller now than I was several years ago at this same weight so there's some sort of recomp going on, anyway. (Literally same pants, so it's not a difference in manufacturer sizing.)
Somebody correct me if this is wrong as, like I said, I don't know the terms and am not 100% sure of the mechanism here. If it's wrong speak up, I don't want to be giving out bad information.
Now...as for the "In that area" question above...someone above me previously said it's more about working out all the muscles, and the abs eventually being a byproduct of that, rather than, say working out the abs "alone." That's a possibility and it makes sense...either way, though, yes, you're tightening the area unless you're specifically trying to bulk and/or it's been some time and you have grown muscle (which I believe is easier said than done and takes more serious training, correct? - especially for us women, as I understand things...we can bulk, but we don't naturally bulk as easily).
Guys, I'm not trying to be contrary, but what can I say? This is literally my experience. By physical measurements. By clothes size. I can't make it different just because it doesn't match up with warnings about enlarged organs and wasted time. It is what it is and it is something I am actually experiencing, so there you have it.0 -
I think some people may be negating things like post-pregnancy effects. Somebody who has a weak (or stretched out) core will benefit from some types of ab work because your core "holds you in" (for lack of a better way to put it) and core strength gives you better posture - which also makes you look slimmer. In those situations, incorporating some ab work into your routine can be beneficial.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Ab training for the most part is not worth doing.
Why?
Larger waist, minimal hypertrophy, wasted time.
Depends what you are doing as far as that goes, but you train the waist to be smaller not larger is the general idea. For me, core training is very essential because I'm training in boxing and Muay Thai and being able to resist body shots is pretty important. For someone who is bodybuilding it's minimally important since you can get the abs training you need from the isometrics in squats, deads, etc.
I don't understand how you'd train your waist to get smaller. Does exercising the muscles in that area have an ahypertrophic effect?
Isn't this pretty simple? Suck in your waist right now. It's a little smaller, right? When your muscles are in a tense/turgid rather than flabby state (sorry, I know absolutely none of the actual terms, LOL), yes, it's all smaller. And when you exercise your muscles they're always in that...ughhhhhh, I just can't remember the word for it. That constantly slightly tensed state.
Am I wrong about this? Maybe this is just mythology I've heard. I always thought when people say they want to get "tighter" this is what they mean. You can still have the fat but measure smaller. I definitely am...I am in a size smaller now than I was several years ago at this same weight so there's some sort of recomp going on, anyway. (Literally same pants, so it's not a difference in manufacturer sizing.)
Somebody correct me if this is wrong as, like I said, I don't know the terms and am not 100% sure of the mechanism here. If it's wrong speak up, I don't want to be giving out bad information.
Now...as for the "In that area" question above...someone above me previously said it's more about working out all the muscles, and the abs eventually being a byproduct of that, rather than, say working out the abs "alone." That's a possibility and it makes sense...either way, though, yes, you're tightening the area unless you're specifically trying to bulk and/or it's been some time and you have grown muscle (which I believe is easier said than done and takes more serious training, correct? - especially for us women, as I understand things...we can bulk, but we don't naturally bulk as easily).
Guys, I'm not trying to be contrary, but what can I say? This is literally my experience. By physical measurements. By clothes size. I can't make it different just because it doesn't match up with warnings about enlarged organs and wasted time. It is what it is and it is something I am actually experiencing, so there you have it.
Muscle is muscle. Muscles don't get into a flabby state. When somebody says "I want lean muscle" they need to lose fat and possibly build some muscle.0
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